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"The Ford Ranger and Volkswagen Amarok will join forces to take down the Toyota HiLux. The makers have just announced a new US-German partnership to develop the next-generation Ranger and Amarok and a range of commercial vans. Ford and Volkswagen expect the dual-cab ute to hit the market by 2022. This should provide a big boost for VW Amarok which is currently only the ninth best selling dual-cab in the ute in the country. The alliance also opens the door for numerous possibilities including an off-road Amarok similar to the current Raptor or a Ranger equipped with VW’s 3.0-litre V6 turbo diesel (190kW/580Nm) which is currently the most powerful in its class. According to VW boss Herbert Diess, the alliance aims to boost the profitability of both brands with the ability to adjust rapidly to market demands and reduce development costs. “Volkswagen and Ford will harness our collective resources, innovation capabilities and complementary market positions to even better serve millions of customers around the world,” says Diess. “At the same time, the alliance will be a cornerstone for our drive to improve competitiveness.” Ford boss Jim Hackett also promoted the benefits for the brands and buyers: “Over time, this alliance will help both companies create value and meet the needs of our customers and society. It will not only drive significant efficiencies and help both companies improve their fitness, but also gives us the opportunity to collaborate on shaping the next era of mobility.” Ford is expected to develop the new ute and a medium van while VW will build a city van for the alliance. Ford worked with Mazda to produce the Ranger/BT-50 twins before the relationship broke down — Mazda’s mechanically identical ute was a sales disaster selling less than half the rate of the Ranger. Mazda has now teamed up with Isuzu to build its next-gen ute. Ford and VW have also agreed to look at sharing tech for electric and autonomous vehicles. https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...9c818d9028e135
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Something tells me that VW will be quite happy to fully outsource its Amarok and Transporter from Ford,
I'm sure that Ford would prefer to supply its own 3.0 V6 Powerstroke and 10AT over using VW's V6 diesel and transmission. |
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How / Will this affect the Australian engineering team currently responsible for the Ranger is my question.
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Hard to see the plus in this for Ford which currently (in Australia) sells more than four times the volumes of the Amarok (42,144 v 9,290 in 2018).
Even the Transit only sells slightly less than the Transporter (1,880 v 2,095) so there's not a lot of benefit there either. Puzzling.
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A better article on the subject without all the news.com.au hypo clickbait carp The Ford Ranger and Volkswagen Amarok will join forces to take down the Toyota HiLux
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What are they going to call it, Ranamok?
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next thing they will stick and audi badge on it to compete with the merc or evan a porsche badge and start a new line of luxury utes for cashed up bogans
might need another mining boom for that though
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Either way it will save Ford a lot of money and potentially generate money too. And I reckon Ford wants to tap into VW's EV vehicle technology considering VW are spending billions on their EV platform. Ford need to tell VW to get stuffed if they think they can get access to the Raptor. I don't see a VW version as likely though. You'd have to think Ford won't allow it. |
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Raptor might end up with a Porsche engine and VW might actually pass an emissions test.
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![]() The deal seems very one sided atm. VW gets Amarok and Transporter engineered and built by Ford. Ford only gets the small Crafter van to twin off. There must be something else in it for Ford. Press release did mention some things about EV co-operation. |
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Would certainly hope so.
I just have this feeling that it could end up being a case of "thanks guys, we will take it from here" situation.
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“You want a Ranger Platform vehicle ? We’ll do it and we’ll tell you what you can and can’t have. Thanks” |
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Is this a response to the Mazda BT50 going off to use the Hilux platform?
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Ford was always the senior partner in the development of this generation Ranger and Mazda BT50. BT50 is now half a generation behind Ranger ( as Ford have kept a lot of the updates to themselves). |
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D-Max actually.
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I wonder if VW would be interested in non-diesel Amarok, hybrid?
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Doubt they would have done it for ev. You can buy that off the shelf. More likely they need the cash injection. Cheaper to get the car out and have good profit margins.
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Ford leveraging VW for EV's will help Ford enormously however. Edit: Also sharing autonomous vehicle tech as well, which I think is becoming more expensive including meeting different government regulatory standards, even better mapping data to the actual vehicle technology. Last edited by Dr Smith; 18-01-2019 at 01:06 PM. |
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VW took a $30 billion hiding over dieselgate so maybe funds to develop commercial vehicles are harder to justify over say, outsourcing to Ford with defined per unit cost. The benefits increase as the markets multiply, Ford has a good Ranger manufacturing footprint around the globe.
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Off topic... Mazda and Isuzu have had a badge engineering relationship before with the old Mazda T series (Titan) truck when they split from Ford (Trader) mid 2000's.
5th gen T series ended up being a rebadged N series Isuzu Elf. On paper I would have liked one. ![]() sorry back to Ford/VW. What happened to the concept Atlas Tanoak by VW maybe ripe for a Ford development. ![]()
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It's nothing new for Ford, with Volkswagon products (and visa versa) being sold in South America.
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Yuck. A partnership with VAG is just asking for trouble. VAG vehicles are a notch below GM and Ford products...
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Never knew there was a VW Atlas.
Interestingly that Ford had an Atlas concept just a few years ago, surprised they let VW use the name.
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