New Falcon engines - which would you buy?

[Resurrection]

Lots of money is being spent to offer new engine variants which will be cheaper to run. Which one will be successul?

[wodahs]

wheres the v8 option ?

[Ben73]

I'd say V8 too.
But Out of the above 2... The 4.0L I6

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by wodahs

wheres the v8 option ?

V8 are only for FPV models as XR8 is dead.

[jpd80]

Ecoboost doesn't need PULP, it's designed to operate on 91 RON petrol.

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

V8 are only for FPV models as XR8 is dead.

Where is the I6T?

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by SteveJH

Where is the I6T?

Which part of "New Falcon engines" do you not understand?

[Legit290]

new falcon engines like a blown gt 335?

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by clarkey117

new falcon engines like a blown gt 335?

1. It is not an engine about to be released
2. It is not an engine devised specifically for reduced running costs
3. Name one Falcon model which is fitted with a Miami engine.

[Legit290]

sorry then my mistake not interested in economy or the environment

[wodahs]

recon if they get the chance we will loose the 8 completely and the turbo wouldnt be far behind

[mik]

Originally Posted by wodahs

recon if they get the chance we will loose the 8 completely and the turbo wouldnt be far behind

they just spent 40 million to give us a supercharged v8 why would they want to can it?

[SM1DY]

I'd go the diesel....hrmm, no diesel option?

[spvd02]

I6 with liquid injection fully integrated with the rest of the car, with no compromise, is almost something to die for... I run Orbital liquid dual fuel system on my BF, and it is flawless. It has also improved the performance (acceleration, response) of the engine. Very happy with this trouble-free system.

[XRGhia]

4L I6 with LILPG

stuff having a ford with a little 2L 4cyl engine

[buggo]

I chose 4l 6. There's something about having a 2l 4 that I don't think belongs in a Falcon, and I'd be a little embaressed to answer 'what engine did you get?' when I mention I bought a new Falcon.
IDK maybe I'm shallow and vain.

[Struggo]

Originally Posted by buggo_gt

I chose 4l 6. There's something about having a 2l 4 that I don't think belongs in a Falcon, and I'd be a little embaressed to answer 'what engine did you get?' when I mention I bought a new Falcon.
IDK maybe I'm shallow and vain.

I agree with the above and would love a 4.0 6 cyl with liquid injection LPG

The IB4 will be a winner with fleets and government buyers, Ford just need to hurry up and release the bloddy thing ASAP.

[sanchoXB]

Originally Posted by buggo_gt

I chose 4l 6. There's something about having a 2l 4 that I don't think belongs in a Falcon, and I'd be a little embaressed to answer 'what engine did you get?' when I mention I bought a new Falcon.
IDK maybe I'm shallow and vain.

Exactly, maybe Ford should ask Holden to remind them of the flop that was the 4 cyl commodore.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by sanchoXB

Exactly, maybe Ford should ask Holden to remind them of the flop that was the 4 cyl commodore.

Different engine for different times. It can not be compared at all and shows the lack of knowledge on what this engine is. Remember also that most people who drive a car would have no idea what is under the hood and most do not care as long as it gets the kids to school

[sgt_doofey]

I need the option to select them both as I'm going to consider both of them later on in the year to replace the EL.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by sanchoXB

Exactly, maybe Ford should ask Holden to remind them of the flop that was the 4 cyl commodore.

Ford didn't cut 2 cylinders off their already gutless straight 6 and leave it naturally aspirated like Holden did with the Starfire 4.

[Resurrection]

I am surprised to see so many people choose the 4cyl option. None of these voters have stated why they selected the 4cyl engine. I am interested to hear why these people would select the imported 4cyl over the local 6cyl.

[my_gxl]

I had an AU ute with dedicated LPG. Have also run a duel fuel BF V8, so its the direct injection 6 for sure.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by sanchoXB

Exactly, maybe Ford should ask Holden to remind them of the flop that was the 4 cyl commodore.

Did the Starfire engine have Direct Injection, with turbocharger and intercooler? While putting out 170kw/340Nm @ 2500-5000 rpm, going through a 6 speed transmission? Yes, both appear to be exactly the same engine though and through, what is Ford smoking?

Well I have been an advocate of diesel for a long time, and that 2.7 is getting long in the tooth. So put a 3.0 V6 TT diesel in there, then we will talk. But then the EcoBoost hasn't got the price premium of a diesel engine, it still has great economy, and it uses cheaper unleaded fuel. Plus the EcoBoost (V6 anyway) is completely awesome to drive, I imagine the 4 cyl to be equally impressive in its own right. Or an aging inline 6 with LPG.... hmmm, yes LI makes a difference, but I can't imagine that it would be better to drive than the I-6 that's running on regular unleaded. So I will go with the EcoBoost.

Originally Posted by Resurrection

None of these voters have stated why they selected the 4cyl engine. I am interested to hear why these people would select the imported 4cyl over the local 6cyl.

You just have to drive an EcoBoost, it has a characteristic unlike any other engine I have sampled. It pulls like a diesel down low, yet seems to rev and pull hard up in the high rpm range, still gets great fuel economy, and runs on regular unleaded, doesn't cost a hefty premium. It seems to have it all.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by chevypower

You just have to drive an EcoBoost, it has a characteristic unlike any other engine I have sampled. It pulls like a diesel down low, yet seems to rev and pull hard up in the high rpm range, still gets great fuel economy, and runs on regular unleaded, doesn't cost a hefty premium. It seems to have it all.

You said it, bums on seats are really important here and getting people into dealerships is crucial,
Ecoboost will be the engine that changes people's perception of Falcon as a big car stuck in the past.
People love low down torque and so long as the EB gives that through the 6-speeder and still gives
that impressive fuel economy, people will feel like they can have their cake and eat it too...

[AussieAV]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

I am surprised to see so many people choose the 4cyl option. None of these voters have stated why they selected the 4cyl engine. I am interested to hear why these people would select the imported 4cyl over the local 6cyl.

I haven't chosen yet, as I don't know the figures of each of these engines so need to do a bit of research. One thing that comes to mind though would be (I assume) more cabin space with the 4 cyl option.

We've got an XR50 now (love it) but I was surprised at how much less rear seat leg room it had compared to our VY Commodore. Only reason I could come up with was the the V6 in the Commodore obviously takes up less room (lengthwise) than the straight 6, meaning more room for cabin space. I assume that the 4cyl would have a similar benefit.

I agree with most here that having a 4cyl in a Falcon, just doesn't feel right, but if the performance figures are similar and the 4cyl provides me with a nicer cabin for the family to spend our travel time in, I'd have to seriously consider it.

In the end head would probably win over heart.


It would be a bit like choosing between these two engines;

AU Falcon 5.0L V8, its figures were;
Power: 175 kW
Torque: 395 Nm

FG Falcon N/A 4.0L 6cyl produces;
Power: 195 kW
Torque: 391 Nm

Heart says V8 over V6, but factor in fuel consumption, emissions and outright power and head says V6.

Edit: Its often hard to accept change, but progress usually means improvement.

[EF Hoon]

theres not going to be any extra interior room just cause its got a 4cyl in it, just more in the engine bay...

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by AussieAV

I haven't chosen yet, as I don't know the figures of each of these engines so need to do a bit of research. One thing that comes to mind though would be (I assume) more cabin space with the 4 cyl option.

We've got an XR50 now (love it) but I was surprised at how much less rear seat leg room it had compared to our VY Commodore. Only reason I could come up with was the the V6 in the Commodore obviously takes up less room (lengthwise) than the straight 6, meaning more room for cabin space. I assume that the 4cyl would have a similar benefit.

I agree with most here that having a 4cyl in a Falcon, just doesn't feel right, but if the performance figures are similar and the 4cyl provides me with a nicer cabin for the family to spend our travel time in, I'd have to seriously consider it.

In the end head would probably win over heart.


It would be a bit like choosing between these two engines;

AU Falcon 5.0L V8, its figures were;
Power: 175 kW
Torque: 395 Nm

FG Falcon N/A 4.0L 6cyl produces;
Power: 195 kW
Torque: 391 Nm

Heart says V8 over V6, but factor in fuel consumption, emissions and outright power and head says V6.

Edit: Its often hard to accept change, but progress usually means improvement.

FG does not have a V6 engine.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

I am surprised to see so many people choose the 4cyl option. None of these voters have stated why they selected the 4cyl engine. I am interested to hear why these people would select the imported 4cyl over the local 6cyl.

1) For most people buying a new Falcon, the Ecoboost will have near identical low
down torque characteristics as the I-6 so basically the same easy performance.

2) A lot of private buyers don't like LPG and the spare wheel stuck on the boot floor sucks.

[BrisVegas]

I'm much more interested in the 2.0 EB. All the advantages of the big/cheap/simple falcon with less weight and fuel consumption. I'm a fan of the Mondeo too, and it would be a tough choice between a Mondeo and Falcon, both with this engine. I think the Falcon chassis would be more durable long term, as it was designed and built for Australia. As awesome as the Mondeo is, it strikes me more as a 3year lease type car. ie. flog it before it becomes expensive.

Keep the LPG option for taxis.