Ford kills Boss engine for F-150, Mustang

CSV_LS1 · 23-06-2008, 11:11 PM

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The tremendous pressure on the auto industry is rapidly unraveling even the most carefully laid out plans. Fuel economy is king right now, and trucks and SUVs have gone from cash cows to the 6,000-pound albatross around the necks of automakers. Ford has been giving us a steady flow of news regarding its plans to weather this wicked storm, including the decision to switch truck and SUV plants into facilities that can produce fuel efficient cars and the delayed launch of the 2009 F-150. Now we're hearing from Mike Levine at Pickuptrucks.com that the Blue Oval has all but killed the once promising Boss V8 engine program.

The powerful V8 engine was slated to appear on models ranging from the new Mustang to the best-selling F-150 and Super Dudy, but a stop work order has narrowed the Boss' available engine bays down to one model. Ford President of the Americas Mark Fields told Levine that while the program isn't being killed completely, it will now only appear on the Super Duty. Ford has already spent a load of cash on the beefy pushrod, so killing the program altogether would have been a tough pill to swallow, and Super Duty buyers expect V8 power anyway. Ford was also planning on more than one displacement for the Boss, but with it now only going in the Super Duty, it'll likely only appear in 6.2-liter guise.

Ford will likely move any and all monetary and development resources possible away from the Boss, and into the hands of greener projects like the US-bound Fiesta. The move makes abundant sense given the current realities Ford is facing, but it still saddens us that we won't get to mash the pedal to unleash 400 naturally aspirated ponies any time soon.

http://www.autoblog.com/

schnoods · 23-06-2008, 11:15 PM

It mentions the Boss as a beefy pushrod, yet its overhead cam??

Times are changing to a degree, but its good to see whats coming up next as more than likely we'll be seeing it over here.

Jayden · 24-06-2008, 12:32 PM

I wonder if ford engineers each have their own psychiatrist on hand. They would need it just about every day of the week.

Mon: paycut
Tues: fav project axed, moved to fiesta efficiency dept.
Wed: concept images leaked
Thurs: told by your overpaid manager to ask permission each time you need a pencil.
Fri: let go

Barra05 · 24-06-2008, 02:04 PM

The American 'Boss' Motor is 5.4l pushrod, the aussie 'boss' motor is the double overhead cam model

TheSneakiness · 24-06-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Barra05

The American 'Boss' Motor is 5.4l pushrod, the aussie 'boss' motor is the double overhead cam model

Quad ;)

GS608 · 24-06-2008, 02:18 PM

this isn't the Hurricane concept is it?

King Nothing · 24-06-2008, 02:27 PM

I believe it is chief, from memory they renamed it BOSS after hurricane Katrina. What a pity! With the I6T gone, and this gone, is the only performance engine the twinforce/ecoboost? Or are ford planning to continue the Boss, as it is known in Australia (i.e. current v8 we have now)?

Powdered Toast Man · 24-06-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapid_Axe

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Originally Posted by Barra05

The American 'Boss' Motor is 5.4l pushrod, the aussie 'boss' motor is the double overhead cam model

Quad ;)

Nope, he is right it's double overhead cam. It has 2 heads which makes it a quad cam engine

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Falc'man · 24-06-2008, 04:32 PM

Enter the 5L quadcam twin turbo V8!

chevypower · 24-06-2008, 06:03 PM

The 5.4L is not a pushrod in the US, it has a chain driven OHC with 3 valves per cylinder, 2 on the old one. The 4.6 Mustang and old Navigator 5.4 had quad-cam 4v heads, which the XR8 and GT use. I think many people prefer the better efficiency of the 3 valve head though.

Gammaboy · 24-06-2008, 06:05 PM

The new pushrod motor was going to be 6.2 ish litres.

Bossxr8 · 24-06-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gammaboy

The new pushrod motor was going to be 6.2 ish litres.

For the second time in this thread, the 6.2 is not a pushrod engine, its SOHC. Why do people keep saying that when its been proven to be SOHC, there's even been photos of it.

Gammaboy · 24-06-2008, 06:30 PM

Gah. sorry. You're right, I've even seen the pics of the behemoth.

AUXRVIII · 24-06-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

For the second time in this thread, the 6.2 is not a pushrod engine, its SOHC. Why do people keep saying that when its been proven to be SOHC, there's even been photos of it.

I saw one running on the dyno last year and sitting around on stands and will back you up by stating that these engines I saw with a 6.2L sticker on the rocker cover were definately OHC, block resembled the 5.4.

GS608 · 24-06-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by King Nothing

I believe it is chief, from memory they renamed it BOSS after hurricane Katrina. What a pity! With the I6T gone, and this gone, is the only performance engine the twinforce/ecoboost? Or are ford planning to continue the Boss, as it is known in Australia (i.e. current v8 we have now)?

The performance eight division of Ford doesn't look too promising now does it?

schnoods · 24-06-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barra05

The American 'Boss' Motor is 5.4l pushrod, the aussie 'boss' motor is the double overhead cam model

Ahh makes sense.

Falc'man · 24-06-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Barra05

The American 'Boss' Motor is 5.4l pushrod, the aussie 'boss' motor is the double overhead cam model

More pushrods?

WASP · 24-06-2008, 11:46 PM

Hold onto your hats fella's. This is only the start.

Falc'man · 25-06-2008, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CDAA

Hold onto your hats fella's. This is only the start.

Just when we thought our public transport system couldn't get any worse it's now facing a little bit more pressure.... bah, bring back the horse driven carts I reckon.

irlewy86 · 25-06-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by King Nothing

I believe it is chief, from memory they renamed it BOSS after hurricane Katrina. What a pity! With the I6T gone, and this gone, is the only performance engine the twinforce/ecoboost? Or are ford planning to continue the Boss, as it is known in Australia (i.e. current v8 we have now)?

Current Boss is Euro 4 compliant only. Any V8 released from now will require Euro 5 emission compiance.

I wonder of the Jag V8 will be used by Ford to fill the small capacity void while they sell us ecoboost engines.

TheSneakiness · 25-06-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Powdered Toast Man

Nope, he is right it's double overhead cam. It has 2 heads which makes it a quad cam engine

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Oohhhhhhh yeahhhhhhh...

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atec77 · 25-06-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by irlewy86

Current Boss is Euro 4 compliant only. Any V8 released from now will require Euro 5 emission compiance.

I wonder of the Jag V8 will be used by Ford to fill the small capacity void while they sell us ecoboost engines.

A good move , I took a look yesterday at the new v8 jag , pretty and powerful with quality , and only 170k or so

Bossxr8 · 25-06-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by irlewy86

Current Boss is Euro 4 compliant only. Any V8 released from now will require Euro 5 emission compiance.

I wonder of the Jag V8 will be used by Ford to fill the small capacity void while they sell us ecoboost engines.

You mean Euro 3 with a requirement of Euro 4 in 2010. Euro 5 will be later still.

Jag engine is too expensive for Ford.

Falc'man · 26-06-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

You mean Euro 3 with a requirement of Euro 4 in 2010. Euro 5 will be later still.

Jag engine is too expensive for Ford.

That is correct. Euro 3 is what they are now. Euro 4 is 2010.

**CAT600** · 26-06-2008, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Jag engine is too expensive for Ford.

....never mind the fact that they would have to convice TATA to sell the engine back to them. Ford sold Jaguar and the chances of getting that 5.0L have subsequently gone from "incredibly slim" to "Mary-Kate Olsen"

This may turn out to be good news is some respect, as we may see the revised GT500 engine here after all

Daniel

Cobra · 27-06-2008, 05:20 PM

So they canned it, brought it back from the dead and then canned it again for all but one model? Well that's going to turn out very economicaly viable isn't it...

Dezaman · 27-06-2008, 06:40 PM

things really dont look good for the falcon v8 boss, turbo 6 kicking *** and americans killing the boss's over there id say the next series of falcons will just be stuck with turbo's next series (shame 290kw is a lot of power to throw away)

FPV8U · 27-06-2008, 06:53 PM

Keep what we have... and give it some of the updates from the US... Nothing wrong with the Aussie Boss 5.4L and with Boost i can be even better..

Falc'man · 27-06-2008, 07:01 PM

Where does it say the Hurricane/Boss is getting canned? From what I understand the only news here is that it won't be destined to go into F-150 and Mustang. And I don't think Ford Au wanted it anyway, as Bill Osborne has already shown interest in using the 5.0L which, imo, is the wiser option.

Bossxr8 · 28-06-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

Where does it say the Hurricane/Boss is getting canned? From what I understand the only news here is that it won't be destined to go into F-150 and Mustang. And I don't think Ford Au wanted it anyway, as Bill Osborne has already shown interest in using the 5.0L which, imo, is the wiser option.

Spot on, the decision to limit it to Super Duty F series means nothing to Ford Australia because they weren't going to use it anyway. The 5.0 is still going ahead so no big deal really, times change.

The stupid thing is that if they didn't stuff around by canning it in the first place they probably could have had it on the market long before the oil prices soared a month ago. You snooze, you lose.