![]() |
|
![]() |
#2 | ||
Smile
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Merrylands Sydney
Posts: 8,540
|
How much power will need a dyno. But you definately can lose power.Heat being sucked in induces detonation,pinging and heatsoak.All of these reduce power.
__________________
Stingray Car Security ph 0414445444 Single din radio fascias for fg to fgx fords Australia wide . FG 1 2 and 3 gauge holder in stock now! https://stingraycar.com.au/shop/ Site Sponsor See Sponsor Stingray Car Security 😍👌✌ AU wagon 6 14.241@96.75 1/4 mile sold.Octane fg xr6 turbo!! 12.312 112.21 mph home tune f6 injectors gone ..now in nitro fgxr6t ready to go again ![]() |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#3 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
![]() Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 2,146
|
I had a pod outside the box on my car for a couple weeks, while the car was cool it was an improvement, but after only a few minutes driving the heat sock started to set in and you could feel it being dragged down. As soon as i enclosed it, it felt so much better. Definitely enclose it.
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
#4 | |||
not here much anymore
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sthn NSW
Posts: 22,918
|
Quote:
![]()
__________________
2024 F150 XLT
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#5 | ||
Regular Member
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 245
|
Thanks guys the only reason I am asking is that i put a pod on the outside of my xr6 vct and it went like a rocket. The other day I had the opportunity to drag it and it did not go too bad against my V8 on a hot day.
__________________
scams |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#6 | |||
Miami Pilot
![]() Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ACT
Posts: 21,701
|
Quote:
__________________
-----------------------------------------------------------------
The Hammer: FG GTE | 376rwkw | 1/4 mile 11.793 @ 119.75mph 1.733 60' (4408lb) 1 of 60 FG MK1 335 GTEs (1 of 118 FG Mk 1 & 2 335 GTEs). Mods: Tune, HSD/ShockWorks, black GT335 19” staggered replicas with 245 & 275/35/19 Michelin Pilot sport 5s Daily: BF2 Fairmont Ghia I6 ZF, machine face GT335 19” staggered Replicas with 245s and 275s, Bilsteins & Kings FPV 335 build stats: <click here> Ford Performance Club ACT |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#7 | |||
...
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Geelong
Posts: 1,407
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#8 | |||
Miami Pilot
![]() Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ACT
Posts: 21,701
|
Quote:
__________________
-----------------------------------------------------------------
The Hammer: FG GTE | 376rwkw | 1/4 mile 11.793 @ 119.75mph 1.733 60' (4408lb) 1 of 60 FG MK1 335 GTEs (1 of 118 FG Mk 1 & 2 335 GTEs). Mods: Tune, HSD/ShockWorks, black GT335 19” staggered replicas with 245 & 275/35/19 Michelin Pilot sport 5s Daily: BF2 Fairmont Ghia I6 ZF, machine face GT335 19” staggered Replicas with 245s and 275s, Bilsteins & Kings FPV 335 build stats: <click here> Ford Performance Club ACT |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#9 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
![]() Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 2,146
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#10 | ||
Regular Member
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 245
|
has anyone put a temp gauge at the front of the car? the amount of heat coming out is like inside the Engine bay. At speed air is going throught the front so if the pod was at the front it would be the same as inside the box?
__________________
scams |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#11 | |||
My kids think I'm cool
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Perth, WA
Posts: 7,880
|
Quote:
__________________
2011 FPV GT 335 >My Build Thread< (Posts 3511-3515 has a compilation of most of the pics, page 118 @ 30 posts per page) BLUESTREAK built 5.2L flat-plane-crank VOODOO with 3.2L Intercooled Kenne Bell blower, 1000rwhp/746rwkw @ 8000rpm @ 20psi on E85. Built ZF with BLUESTREAK 2C Circle D converter. Unbloodybelievable... 2018 Ford Ranger RAPTOR 2013 Audi SQ5 |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#13 | |||
Smile
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Merrylands Sydney
Posts: 8,540
|
Quote:
__________________
Stingray Car Security ph 0414445444 Single din radio fascias for fg to fgx fords Australia wide . FG 1 2 and 3 gauge holder in stock now! https://stingraycar.com.au/shop/ Site Sponsor See Sponsor Stingray Car Security 😍👌✌ AU wagon 6 14.241@96.75 1/4 mile sold.Octane fg xr6 turbo!! 12.312 112.21 mph home tune f6 injectors gone ..now in nitro fgxr6t ready to go again ![]() |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#14 | ||
Moderator
![]() ![]() Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Kenthurst
Posts: 40,394
|
No matter what we are all going to suffer from heat soak ... it's a problem ... even if you relocate the filter to the front bar and run long lengths of piping ... but the piping will still heat up when passing the radiator.
It gets damn hot underbonnet ... I changed a driver's side headlight globe the other day (when on a break from delivering) ... was a very warm day ... when lifting the bonnet it was fricking warm. I had a hard time trying to touch anything it was that hot.
__________________
The Current Stable 2016 SZII TS Territory RWD Petrol The Evolution of the EGA54D utes AU Workshop Build thread of EGA54D B-Series Workshop Build thread of EGA54D 2004 SX TX Territory AWD - Gone but not forgotten 2010 FG XT "The ex-rental" - Moved onto a new home Mechan1k's Flickr Page |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#15 | |||
...
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Geelong
Posts: 1,407
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#16 | |||
Miami Pilot
![]() Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ACT
Posts: 21,701
|
Quote:
On standard I6, if you really think you can feel (and I mean really feel) the difference between having a pod boxed or not, I think you are kidding yourselves.
__________________
-----------------------------------------------------------------
The Hammer: FG GTE | 376rwkw | 1/4 mile 11.793 @ 119.75mph 1.733 60' (4408lb) 1 of 60 FG MK1 335 GTEs (1 of 118 FG Mk 1 & 2 335 GTEs). Mods: Tune, HSD/ShockWorks, black GT335 19” staggered replicas with 245 & 275/35/19 Michelin Pilot sport 5s Daily: BF2 Fairmont Ghia I6 ZF, machine face GT335 19” staggered Replicas with 245s and 275s, Bilsteins & Kings FPV 335 build stats: <click here> Ford Performance Club ACT |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#17 | ||
...
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Geelong
Posts: 1,407
|
the car runs alot hotter!! then it needs to. Im not caring of your kw facts, on the modded cars it makes the car less responsive and doughy as. def did that on my car, my friends Ef which is heavily modded (he got rid of pod after he had it exposed)put the airbox back on and the difference was very noticable in all terms, the overall drvability imrpoved straight up.
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
#18 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
![]() Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 2,146
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#19 | |||
Miami Pilot
![]() Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ACT
Posts: 21,701
|
Quote:
And byt the way, they're not "mine" as such - they're facts, so they are actually owned by everyone until disproved. Jim actually corrected what I said (but I was talking about an I6), so I'd go with what he is saying; ie 10 degree (F) temp rise robs 1% power - so we are both right, as a stock I6 generally has around the 100rwkw and 1% is 1rwkw, but on a higher powered car, that may increase to 2 rwkw!!!). Of course, your bum-o-meter is going to be more scientific than any power measuring device, so let's just change the facts to suit your opinion shall we? If you don't want to hear the truth, don't ask a question - or for that matter respond to a question with opinion that is not actually proven correct. I am simply trying to point out what the facts actually are, and you are trying to disprove me with nothing.
__________________
-----------------------------------------------------------------
The Hammer: FG GTE | 376rwkw | 1/4 mile 11.793 @ 119.75mph 1.733 60' (4408lb) 1 of 60 FG MK1 335 GTEs (1 of 118 FG Mk 1 & 2 335 GTEs). Mods: Tune, HSD/ShockWorks, black GT335 19” staggered replicas with 245 & 275/35/19 Michelin Pilot sport 5s Daily: BF2 Fairmont Ghia I6 ZF, machine face GT335 19” staggered Replicas with 245s and 275s, Bilsteins & Kings FPV 335 build stats: <click here> Ford Performance Club ACT |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#20 | ||
...
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Geelong
Posts: 1,407
|
if what you say is true you only lose 1-2 kw watever why isnt everyone driving around around with exposed pods? why do G&d make thier air boxes, why does chris put developement in airboxes at bluepower! cos the facts are its more than just 1-2kw its the drivability of the car is a pig, slow response everything, wake up to ya self
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
#21 | ||
not here much anymore
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sthn NSW
Posts: 22,918
|
Play nice people
__________________
2024 F150 XLT
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
#22 | ||
Smile
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Merrylands Sydney
Posts: 8,540
|
Guys calm down.I too have had the car on the dyno with the pod filter.I had a dyno then removed the filter.I gained 1 rwkw. However when you box the pod chances are that it promotoes more velocity at low to mid range as cylinder filling is enhanced at these speeds.In saying that the box would immediately reduce top end power.The cooler intake mixture will help maintain power by resisting higher air intake temps.The open pod will give more power when underbonnet temps are cool but once hotter the closed cold air intake will have that benefit.
__________________
Stingray Car Security ph 0414445444 Single din radio fascias for fg to fgx fords Australia wide . FG 1 2 and 3 gauge holder in stock now! https://stingraycar.com.au/shop/ Site Sponsor See Sponsor Stingray Car Security 😍👌✌ AU wagon 6 14.241@96.75 1/4 mile sold.Octane fg xr6 turbo!! 12.312 112.21 mph home tune f6 injectors gone ..now in nitro fgxr6t ready to go again ![]() |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#23 | |||
Miami Pilot
![]() Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ACT
Posts: 21,701
|
Quote:
What sort of intake temps do you think you're getting with your pod in the box? Any idea what you're getting with an exposed pod? I can tell you the difference in temps is less that 10 degrees farenheit if you use the stock piping, but if you are using a chrome/stainless (ie metal) intake pipe, then it will double or triple, as the metal intakes hold/retain more heat than the standard factory ABS plastic stuff does, so whether you run a pod enclosed or not, it's the metal pipe that will affect you more. I don't know why I am bothering to reply though, as I remember from your last post that your opinion outweighs any facts, so perhaps I can just leave you to your opinion, and let the facts work themselves out for everyone else.
__________________
-----------------------------------------------------------------
The Hammer: FG GTE | 376rwkw | 1/4 mile 11.793 @ 119.75mph 1.733 60' (4408lb) 1 of 60 FG MK1 335 GTEs (1 of 118 FG Mk 1 & 2 335 GTEs). Mods: Tune, HSD/ShockWorks, black GT335 19” staggered replicas with 245 & 275/35/19 Michelin Pilot sport 5s Daily: BF2 Fairmont Ghia I6 ZF, machine face GT335 19” staggered Replicas with 245s and 275s, Bilsteins & Kings FPV 335 build stats: <click here> Ford Performance Club ACT |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#24 | |||
Miami Pilot
![]() Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ACT
Posts: 21,701
|
Quote:
__________________
-----------------------------------------------------------------
The Hammer: FG GTE | 376rwkw | 1/4 mile 11.793 @ 119.75mph 1.733 60' (4408lb) 1 of 60 FG MK1 335 GTEs (1 of 118 FG Mk 1 & 2 335 GTEs). Mods: Tune, HSD/ShockWorks, black GT335 19” staggered replicas with 245 & 275/35/19 Michelin Pilot sport 5s Daily: BF2 Fairmont Ghia I6 ZF, machine face GT335 19” staggered Replicas with 245s and 275s, Bilsteins & Kings FPV 335 build stats: <click here> Ford Performance Club ACT |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#25 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,981
|
Quote:
Also with the metal intake pipes, I understand they would heat up say at idle, but when driving, having cold (or at least colder then the pipe) air traveling through it, would they really be a hinderance? Lastly, after trashing my car on a padock for a good 20 minutes, popped the bonnet and my air box was hot, opened it up and even my pannel filter was warm (around 50deg c at a guess) So I agree and can't see having it exposed would make much if any of a differance. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#26 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Perth, South
Posts: 3,064
|
just to add my 2c worth, when a dyno run is done, do they measure acceleration? or just outright power? My prev car, although it was a korean 4 cyl, lost acceleration performance with an exposed pod as opposed to the factory intake. i don't know if it actually lost power or not as I never had it dynoed, but once it heated up it was a lot more sluggish than normal. so my thoughts are, even though an exposed pod doesn't necessarily lose power it could be that it is losing response (i guess you could call it that)
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
#27 | |||
Regular Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 35
|
Quote:
Hi Scams, you could try to make a heat shield up to shield the pod against engine bay radiant heat and the hot air blowing out of the passenger side thermo fan. This is what i have done. large K&N pod with a shield made out of 6mm clear acrylic. used a carboard template first to get the right shape. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#28 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 1,770
|
stockau.... exposed air filiments are illegal in queensland...
in reponse to everyone... all in all.. on a stock I6.. power loss or gain is going to be minimal... what ppl may or may not be feeling in the seat.. is not power loss or gain... it's probably more a gain or loss in torque....or change in spark/combustion... however.. i have no idea what i'm talking about.. i just wanted to sound smart.. :( |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#29 | ||
Regular Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Parkes
Posts: 178
|
I have been studying all these comments and facts in regards to CAI,s for two nights as I want to do something with my BF XR8 induction to make it more efficient and remember this is only my opinion but the main points I think are pertinent are;
1; any CAI with heat reduction has to be good;shielding with heat resistant insulation both inside the airbox and pipes has got to be good, 2; a freeflowing pod filter, the biggest you can get to fit inside your standard airbox has got to be good, 3; fabrication of twin inlets out of non restrictive free flowing PVC piping or snorkels will not have as much heat soak as compared to Aluminium(very heat conductive) and Stainless Steel (not much better). I am going to do some work on my stock airbox with all of the above used if possible and see how it goes keeping in mind that I want it to look presentable. I will never be convinced that an exposed pod will ever be any good as there is just too much heat in the engine bay to make it worthwhile. |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#30 | |||
AU DIE HARD
![]() ![]() Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Between 2nd and 5th gear
Posts: 5,073
|
What you say is quite right , if you put CAI into the search box you will find 300 post about them. just check the date on them as you may find more up to date info on what you need.
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11244844
__________________
........Age and treachery will ALWAYS overcome youth and skill....... CORTINA 250 2V POWER soon to be AUXR8 Windsor pwrd .............WINDSOR WARLORD WHO CARRIES THE CLEVO MAFIA AND BROKEN BOSSES... ......................... Quote:
|
|||
![]() |