Tell SCT what you think with a vote

geckoGT · 31-01-2009, 08:28 PM

Here is your chance, tell them how you feel in a poll

If they keep this concept of the 90 day solution, will you look at SCT roducts in the future or will you look elsewhere.

Please only vote if you have a car that can be tuned by SCT or considering one in the near future.

**Peuty** · 31-01-2009, 08:39 PM

Why isn't "No farking way, regardless of what they do I won't deal with these dogs again?" on the list?

BTW, voted "Not a Hope".

XA5800 · 31-01-2009, 08:54 PM

Typical American attitude, as long as they make money they don't care..........

Laminge · 31-01-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by XA5800

Typical American attitude, as long as they make money they don't care..........

I have not included my personal opinion on the issue as yet but alas I ask, if there are leaches in the industry that are profiting from down right questionable conduct based on a product not their own, then doesn't the manufacturer have the right to protect their own product?

Lets leave out the fact they where stupid enough to leave it so open or include Come and Pay Again in its deployment etc, or not make it inherently clear that support may be limited as such.

deesun · 01-02-2009, 12:36 AM

The right to protect their own product- absolutely.
The way they went about it - absolutely WRONG.

geckoGT · 01-02-2009, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by deesun

The right to protect their own product- absolutely.
The way they went about it - absolutely WRONG.

Agreed completely

Yes they do have a right to protect their intellectual property, of course. But they do not have the right to disable and render obsolete a customers physical property short of the advertised life span of that item, because they have an issue with their distributor.

I personally will not use SCT again, even when it comes time to upgrade my system (I was considering the new SCT). In my opinion, they have done it once, they could do it again. This has been a clear indication of poor business ethics and gross profiteering, I will not support that. There were certainly more effective and ethical ways of dealing with the situation, ones that provided no financial detriment to the consumer.

Redrum · 01-02-2009, 12:54 AM

My limited understanding is that they have withdrawn support, for whatever reason, to their product rendering it useless. If this is the case, and they let down honest customers, I sincerely doubt I will use their products again. Any alternatives?

Pedro · 01-02-2009, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Laminge

I have not included my personal opinion on the issue as yet but alas I ask, if there are leaches in the industry that are profiting from down right questionable conduct based on a product not their own, then doesn't the manufacturer have the right to protect their own product?

Lets leave out the fact they where stupid enough to leave it so open or include Come and Pay Again in its deployment etc, or not make it inherently clear that support may be limited as such.

Well, of course a manufacturer has a right to protect a product, but there are ways to go about that.

If there is a delinquent agent, then the manufacturer should be directing it's actions towards disabling that agent.

As it stands, it appears that SCT has adopted a tsunami "take no prisoners" approach to the detriment of innocent end users.

If SCT does not relent, then I can see Slater & Gordon becoming involved with a class action, and I'll be first in line.

blueoval · 01-02-2009, 02:40 AM

I have read the 2 other threads in their entirety about this subject.

I am also looking to get a tuner of some sort. Even though the newer tuner for my car wont have the issues the X1 has, Im not filled with any confidence anymore about the business ethics SCT has shown.

SCT have an excellent product, but they SHOULD have taken the necessary precautions in protecting their pirating problems with the x1 before its release. As many have already said, they shouldnt be penalising those that arent at fault just because someone has found a way to bypass SCT's copyright or licensing arrangement. There are more confidential avenues for that. This didnt have to go to this extreme by pushing the panic button. Sadly it has, and now the damage is done.

SCT may have saved its product from being pirated or whatever, but it has reduced its potential to increase its market to any new products with these recent events and bad publicity.

I wish SCT all the best with what ever damage control they choose, but I think they will need to weather a very long storm if they are trying to keep their australian connections solid.

geckoGT · 01-02-2009, 02:49 AM

I find the trend in the poll very interesting so far.

80% have said "up yours" to SCT
20% have said I will follow my tuner (so they are loyal to their tuner, it would appear not SCT)
Only 1 person has said I will take the greasy pole.

SCT, are you watching this? Your market is not looking so good at the moment. I know this forum is only a segment of the ozzy market but we also have personal contact with those that aren't members.

bonspeed · 01-02-2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Peuty

Why isn't "No farking way, regardless of what they do I won't deal with these dogs again?" on the list?

BTW, voted "Not a Hope".

+1

I brought a x2 last week, it hasn't been used yet, Im taking it back. With the smart arsed comments I have read from Charlie in the other Thread there is no way I want anything to do with these fools.

Good luck with that SCT.

wodahs · 01-02-2009, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Peuty

Why isn't "No farking way, regardless of what they do I won't deal with these dogs again?" on the list?

BTW, voted "Not a Hope".

or as simple as sct not for me
nope i think sniper will be the way for me to go now

Falc'man · 01-02-2009, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Peuty

Why isn't "No farking way, regardless of what they do I won't deal with these dogs again?" on the list?

BTW, voted "Not a Hope".

hear hear

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Originally Posted by Redrum

My limited understanding is that they have withdrawn support, for whatever reason, to their product rendering it useless. If this is the case, and they let down honest customers, I sincerely doubt I will use their products again. Any alternatives?

One alternative is figuring out which tuners have the old V2.9 software that TVS SP was on about. This solves the problem at the same time screwing SCT. If tuners don't have V2.9 Jason can make alot of cash by burning them the copies.

Other than that, there's VCM and Sniper.

Redrum · 01-02-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

hear hear

One alternative is figuring out which tuners have the old V2.9 software that TVS SP was on about. This solves the problem at the same time screwing SCT. If tuners don't have V2.9 Jason can make alot of cash by burning them the copies.

Other than that, there's VCM and Sniper.

I am aware of a tuner with old software. I am soon to pick up F6 and most likely was going to tune, having second thoughts now.

4Vman · 01-02-2009, 01:54 PM

As a total novice to this topic and green on it can i ask why you need support for this product once the tune is done? Will it suddenly shut down after 90 days or will it just be not reprogrammable after 90 days?
surely the V2.9 software is still in the hands of people who had it before upgrading? its not like you throw the disks or data files out....
I can understand a company wanting to protect their property though...

Romulus · 01-02-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrum

I am aware of a tuner with old software. I am soon to pick up F6 and most likely was going to tune, having second thoughts now.

***edit***

misread your post.

Romulus · 01-02-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

hear hear

One alternative is figuring out which tuners have the old V2.9 software that TVS SP was on about. This solves the problem at the same time screwing SCT. If tuners don't have V2.9 Jason can make alot of cash by burning them the copies.

Other than that, there's VCM and Sniper.

I don't know about 'burning' copies of V2.9, you still need the 'unlock' key if you install it on your computer. This is only available through CAPA. Don't like your chances of getting it, I know I had to approach SCT a while back to reactivate my software. I do not believe they will assist now.

There have to be other tuners around with V2.9. If not, PM me hahaha

Cam · 01-02-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

As a total novice to this topic and green on it can i ask why you need support for this product once the tune is done? Will it suddenly shut down after 90 days or will it just be not reprogrammable after 90 days?

From what i have read, I think It will not be able to be custom tuned after 90 days, other existing tunes can be re-loaded though

4Vman · 01-02-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cam

From what i have read, I think It will not be able to be custom tuned after 90 days, other existing tunes can be re-loaded though

Ok.. and from what im reading the x1 isnt compatible with late BF/FG's anyway? so it only effects people with older BA/F's who want to keep modifying their tunes? Those who are happy with their tune are unaffected?
And if someone still has V2.9 software its business as usual...?

Cam · 01-02-2009, 02:08 PM

I do beieve that is correct, oh and us poor AU drivers... If you are happy with your current tune, no worries at all, just cant be retuned (which is kind of the idea of aftermarket tuning options??)

I may be wrong, feel free to correct me someone!

FPV8U · 01-02-2009, 02:34 PM

I'll use whatever software my chosen Tuner uses, i won't sacrifice getting good results on my car, just for the satisfaction of not giving SCT money by using a Company that tunes with Sniper or VCM Suite but may not be capable of the same results.

blueoval · 01-02-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV8U

I'll use whatever software my chosen Tuner uses, i won't sacrifice getting good results on my car, just for the satisfaction of not giving SCT money by using a Company that tunes with Sniper or VCM Suite but may not be capable of the same results.

thats true, but Im only using SCT as a last resort if no other company can give similar benefits. But thats just me

Laminge · 01-02-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

Agreed completely

Yes they do have a right to protect their intellectual property, of course. But they do not have the right to disable and render obsolete a customers physical property short of the advertised life span of that item, because they have an issue with their distributor.

I personally will not use SCT again, even when it comes time to upgrade my system (I was considering the new SCT). In my opinion, they have done it once, they could do it again. This has been a clear indication of poor business ethics and gross profiteering, I will not support that. There were certainly more effective and ethical ways of dealing with the situation, ones that provided no financial detriment to the consumer.

I know your wants I have read your same argument 15 times in the last 20 minutes, once would have been enough, this thread has turned exactly into the other.

View Poll Results: Will you use SCT in the future?
Not a hope while they maintain any notion of 90 days solution	82	78.85%
I will have to go the way of my favourite tuner	21	20.19%
Take the 90 days and buy the new unit when I have to do another tune	1	0.96%
Voters: 104. You may not vote on this poll