(VIC) Queensland student athlete killed by drunk learner driver

Bobman · 01-10-2008, 03:40 PM

http://www.theage.com.au/national/so...1001-4rcz.html

* Yes it was a dunnydoor
* Yes the driver was a learner
* Yes the driver was drunk

There is usually a high police presence in this area as well. Very tragic sequence of events. RIP to the victim.

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The Griffith University student died and another was seriously injured after they were were allegedly hit by a drunk, speeding learner driver outside their Southbank hotel.

**fordomatic** · 01-10-2008, 03:48 PM

he now has to live with the fact that he killed another human from his stupidity and ignorance.

Trek · 01-10-2008, 04:51 PM

It's unfortunate there's still idiots giving those who abide by the law a bad name. They're only making it harder for future drivers in this case :( Selfish indeed.

R.I.P. to the student.

XR6_190 · 01-10-2008, 09:09 PM

Very unfortunate this, hope he goes away for a long time

Does anybody know what sort of sentence Culpable driving usually attracts in this sort of case?

geckoGT · 01-10-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6_190

Very unfortunate this, hope he goes away for a long time

Does anybody know what sort of sentence Culpable driving usually attracts in this sort of case?

When it involves this sort of result, not enough.

Jack91 · 01-10-2008, 09:42 PM

Well, I guess all learners will need to do another 50 driving hours now.

Bobman · 01-10-2008, 10:05 PM

There should be a limit on the length of time that you hold your Learner Licence.

I know people who haven't bothered to get their Ps and remain learners for up to 10 years before attempting to get their Probationary Licence.

Should also be a limit of the amount of times you can fail either licence test. If someone has failed 3 times, they should not be allowed on the roads at all. Some can fail up to 10 times and not a word is said.

Speed & alcohol were obvious issues here, but it would be great if there was focus on other things as well.

RedHotGT · 01-10-2008, 10:38 PM

Bobman - what you're failing to see is that the people who do things like this quite clearly don't give a sh!t about laws/rules/commonsense... and changing rules and restrictions for everyone won't stop these sort of clowns killing innocent people...

There is no way that in this particular case that any more restrictions would have stopped the accident...
The moron driver was on L's (which means they would have done the written test fairly recently i'd imagine), was over .00, and was speeding....

I don't know what the answer is to young idiots on the road wiping themselves out... *Power restrictions don't really work - because the people that want to drive high powered cars will do it anyways...
*.00 BAC restrictions dont work - because those who are going to drive ****ed do it knowing that its illegal/stupid/dangerous (Drink Drive Bloody Idiot has been around for 20years, its not a new concept)...
*Raising or lowering the age of licence/learners hasn't changed anything
*Restricting passengers for 1st year P-Platers - actually has the potential to put more young drivers on the road at the same time (this concept baffles me FULL STOP)...
*120 logged hours of learing to drive - not really all that effective when mum/dad are not professional instructors and teach their own bad habits and law-breaking ways to their kids

I could go on and on about what is wrong - but sadly I can't really offer a solution that is cheap enough to persue...
Short of making all Learer Drivers take a written test, 10-20 compulsory lessons with driving instructors (subsidised of course), compulsory defensive driving course, major power and vehicle restrictions.... I still cant see this changing ANYTHING for the morons out there that just dont care about the laws/common sense...

Anyways, I've preached enough, but they are my opinions...
anyone else care to add??

Rodp · 01-10-2008, 10:40 PM

Looking at the damage to the car, it was quite a hit. It must have really been moving. Was there a licenced passenger? I bet they've got more than a headache right now as well.

Condolences to the families of the two guys that were hit.

IH8HSV · 01-10-2008, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by loftie

Bobman - what you're failing to see is that the people who do things like this quite clearly don't give a sh!t about laws/rules/commonsense... and changing rules and restrictions for everyone won't stop these sort of clowns killing innocent people...

There is no way that in this particular case that any more restrictions would have stopped the accident...
The moron driver was on L's (which means they would have done the written test fairly recently i'd imagine), was over .00, and was speeding....

I don't know what the answer is to young idiots on the road wiping themselves out... *Power restrictions don't really work - because the people that want to drive high powered cars will do it anyways...
*.00 BAC restrictions dont work - because those who are going to drive ****ed do it knowing that its illegal/stupid/dangerous (Drink Drive Bloody Idiot has been around for 20years, its not a new concept)...
*Raising or lowering the age of licence/learners hasn't changed anything
*Restricting passengers for 1st year P-Platers - actually has the potential to put more young drivers on the road at the same time (this concept baffles me FULL STOP)...
*120 logged hours of learing to drive - not really all that effective when mum/dad are not professional instructors and teach their own bad habits and law-breaking ways to their kids

I could go on and on about what is wrong - but sadly I can't really offer a solution that is cheap enough to persue...
Short of making all Learer Drivers take a written test, 10-20 compulsory lessons with driving instructors (subsidised of course), compulsory defensive driving course, major power and vehicle restrictions.... I still cant see this changing ANYTHING for the morons out there that just dont care about the laws/common sense...

Anyways, I've preached enough, but they are my opinions...
anyone else care to add??

I agree Loftie.

It wouldnt matter what training this guy has done or the matter of how many learning hours he had done.

He was drunk, and decided to drive. And thats all there is to it. Weather he was a qualified driver, a learner driver, or a driver on suspension - the unfortunate out come would be the same.

Bobman · 01-10-2008, 10:59 PM

Agree loftie.

Nice post mate.

IH8HSV · 01-10-2008, 11:24 PM

Sad thing is that there is no way to stop this type of thing happening.

The government has tried with its millions of dollars of advertising to try and educate people on the consequences of this type of activity.

The introduction of hooning laws and the new ''dob on an idiot'' campaign are all good initiatives but are only going to catch the small minority.

There are new legislations in place where all past drink drivers have to blow into a box which allow the car to start. Good idea, but I would bet a million dollars that half of us on here would have the knowledge to re wire and by pass this type system.

The only way to stop it is to have police on every road and corner, Which will never happen.

Am i preaching? - Yes i am. Only because I would hate to have that dreaded knock at my door.

Daymoe · 02-10-2008, 12:07 AM

Just before on 774 ABC news it said the driver was going 150km/h in a 60km/h zone. I agree with Lofte, the passenger restriction will put more cars on the road, there will be a grand prix coming to a set of traffic lights near you when people and their mates all drive home from the party they were at.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...01/2379205.htm

dom_105 · 02-10-2008, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by loftie

I could go on and on about what is wrong - but sadly I can't really offer a solution that is cheap enough to persue...
Short of making all Learer Drivers take a written test, 10-20 compulsory lessons with driving instructors (subsidised of course), compulsory defensive driving course, major power and vehicle restrictions...

All of which cost considerable amounts of money, which is the problem really. Brumby is too much of a tightass to cough up for some real solution, preferring instead to put speed cameras on Geelong Road & Eastlink, and putting more restrictions on already law-abiding citizens.

Nice move Mr. Premier.

**Full Noise** · 02-10-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

Looking at the damage to the car, it was quite a hit. It must have really been moving. Was there a licenced passenger? I bet they've got more than a headache right now as well.

Condolences to the families of the two guys that were hit.

I was caught at this unfortunate accident. I was on my way back to Dandenong and decided against taking the tunnel because they had It down to one lane, so I decided to take the scenic route. The cops were really helpful as we had to get two B-doubles turned around. I said to the lady copper “how the hell did he manage that”. She just said that she had no idea but it wasn’t pretty.

If there was ever a situation where the maximum penalty should apply, this is it.

Thanks again to the police on the scene for being so helpful.

Condolences to the victim’s families.

ch33z1l · 02-10-2008, 03:00 PM

Installing those breathaliser units in cars is a good idea. Perhaps make it so if a unit is tampered with, have it shutdown the the onboard computer. I don't see why u would want to rewire it when it has the potential to save lives...

The government has blown millions on advertising and taxpayers money on initiatives that arent working. Yet they continue to splash cash around.

Perhaps the should be consulting the community, rather than choosing the option that produces the most income for them.

vegabass · 02-10-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

When it involves this sort of result, not enough.

Both you and I have seen this too many times. And the worst thing is it never gets easier to face.

They never think! Not only for the person involved but the poor emergency services people who have to clean the scene up.

Daymoe · 02-10-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ch33z1l

Installing those breathaliser units in cars is a good idea. Perhaps make it so if a unit is tampered with, have it shutdown the the onboard computer. I don't see why u would want to rewire it when it has the potential to save lives...

The government has blown millions on advertising and taxpayers money on initiatives that arent working. Yet they continue to splash cash around.

Perhaps the should be consulting the community, rather than choosing the option that produces the most income for them.

My aunty has one of those in her car, because she has lost her licence about 4 times now for drink driving, doesn't stop her from drink driving though, she just gets her daughter to blow in it instead.

hannem · 02-10-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 90sFTW

My aunty has one of those in her car, because she has lost her licence about 4 times now for drink driving, doesn't stop her from drink driving though, she just gets her daughter to blow in it instead.

Yeah filling the back seat of the car with balloons that you blew up earlier when you you weren't ****ed would also do the trick.

Cheers M

Bobman · 02-10-2008, 03:57 PM

You can't use balloons.

The units down here in Victoria require you to hum for a specified time while also blowing. If you get too many "try again" errors, then you have to explain to the centre when you go for your monthly unit service.

Also the court looks at how many errors there are and that takes into account whether or not the unit will be removed from your car.

My brother had one and I drove the car a few times, it's bloody annoying as it starts warning you randomly to blow into the unit and if you don't after 5 minutes, the car will shut-down.

TZENU · 02-10-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

My brother had one and I drove the car a few times, it's bloody annoying as it starts warning you randomly to blow into the unit and if you don't after 5 minutes, the car will shut-down.

Exactly ... And its always at random intervals ... Too bad if your in traffic!..

FPV GT40 · 02-10-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

My brother had one and I drove the car a few times, it's bloody annoying as it starts warning you randomly to blow into the unit and if you don't after 5 minutes, the car will shut-down.

I think the people killed by drunk drivers are more than annoyed, I am not sure why they bother with these devices, just no more driving ever for people that are repeat drink drive offenders, they should not be allowed to own a car at all, and if they drive someone elses car (drunk or not)the car gets confiscated and sold at auction with the money going to victims of drink drivers.

That should cut it down a lot, as no one will be lending a car to the person, as they might lose it for ever and the person will not be able to own a car, so it should greatly reduce the numbers of these numb nuts on our roads.

I can not believe the Magistrate let this bloke out on bail...how would the family feel, I would be hunting this peanut down and drown him in a bucket of whatever he drank before he killed my relative.....This person should be behind bars not to see the light again and he is already out walking the streets while the body of his victim has not even made it to the funeral yet....the courts are a shocker....

Bobman · 02-10-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV GT40

I think the people killed by drunk drivers are more than annoyed, I am not sure why they bother with these devices, just no more driving ever for people that are repeat drink drive offenders, they should not be allowed to own a car at all, and if they drive someone elses car (drunk or not)the car gets confiscated and sold at auction with the money going to victims of drink drivers.

Agreed. However, in this politically correct world we live, no pollie would have the balls to bring in laws like that.

I'm getting sick and tired of people using alcohol / drugs as excuses for committing crime. You have a choice as an individual.

Agree that it's ridiculous bail was granted. Don't forget that bail was also granted to the guy who bashed a man to death a couple of weeks ago in Melbourne CBD.

220XR8 · 02-10-2008, 04:27 PM

Once he's finished his jail time, send him back to where he came from on his student visa , and never let him return.

Daymoe · 02-10-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 220XR8

Once he's finished his jail time, send him back to where he came from on his student visa , and never let him return.

He got granted bail, so I suppose he won't be going to jail. God this shits me, you get caught keeping money from the tax man you go to jail for a while, you kill someone drink driving not even fully licenced yet and even blow a over the legal limit for a full licence and you walk away free.

300C-CRD · 02-10-2008, 04:44 PM

Drunk drivers who kill people should face manslaughter charges intead of traffic laws. Anyone in the offending car should also face charges as they are also responsible for driver's actions. But whatever the laws do, it can not bring back the dead and it will not stop stupid people do stupid things. What a waste of innocent lives.

82XD393.3v · 02-10-2008, 07:24 PM

i bet his all ready on a plane back to india and will never see the inside of a cell let alone the courthouse.

S3SR · 02-10-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6_190

Does anybody know what sort of sentence Culpable driving usually attracts in this sort of case?

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Leaving a crash scene after causing death or serious harm - maximum 15 years’ jail for a first offence or life for a second offence and at least 10-years’ licence disqualification (where the physical harm does not amount to ‘serious harm’ – maximum five-years’ jail, or seven-years’ for a subsequent offence);

taken from http://www.woj.com.au/culpable-driving/

its a shame that it ended like this, such a waste of life the students and the drivers, both being students

i guess its the ultimate learning experience, im sure those affected will never be the same again, and we can only take this as another warning that we live with the consequences our actions cause

RIP to the student killed

**Silver Ghia** · 02-10-2008, 10:09 PM

One thing I dont understand is where was the licensed driver sitting next to the learner?

If there wasnt any licensed driver, I would have thought that was as good as unlicensed driving.

And if there was a licensed driver supervising, he/she should be held just as responsible.

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Originally Posted by 82XD393.3v

i bet his all ready on a plane back to india and will never see the inside of a cell let alone the courthouse.

I believe a condition for bail was to go nowhere near a point of departure.

gthofan · 02-10-2008, 10:12 PM

Throw him in jail! for a long time. It made me almost sick when i read about this horrible story in the paper. It will teach him and other morons out there a damn good lesson.

Scott.