NSW to receive 20 Point to Point Speedcameras.

[Dave_au]

Boy I can't wait (note sarcasam).

Trucks only..... for now; I thought this was already part of the Heavy Vehicle Safety-Cams
Point-to-point speeds cameras to target trucks, not cars


Article from:
May 04, 2009 02:45pm


POINT-to-point speed cameras will be introduced in NSW, but Roads Minister Michael Daley vows they'll only be used to target trucks and not cars.

The cameras will be installed on 20 stretches of road, covering distances as short as two kilometres and as long as 80km.

Mr Daley said heavy vehicles remained over-represented in fatal crashes with speed all too often the cause.

Heavy vehicles made up about 2.6 per cent of all vehicles on the road, yet were involved in almost 20 per cent of road fatalities, he said.

Mr Daley said a Roads and Traffic Authority (RTA) survey of major freight routes in 2005 found 51 per cent of heavy vehicles exceeded the speed limit.

Nearly seven per cent of those exceeded the limit by more than 15km/h, it found.

"There's no place for cowboys on our roads, and this new technology will catch them out," Mr Daley said in a statement today.

Point-to-point cameras calculate the time it takes a truck to drive between two points, thus determining if the vehicle was speeding over that stretch of road.

Mr Daley insisted there was no plan to introduce the speed cameras to target cars in the future.

"I have no plans to introduce it for anything other than heavy vehicles," he told radio.

"Light vehicles are not under the same commercial imperatives that heavy vehicles are."

Mr Daley dismissed suggestions the point-to-point system is a form of revenue raising, saying it will cost the government $5 million a year to run even after any revenue from fines.

He said the system would require some changes to legislation, and it was hoped that all 20 sites would be operational within two years.

An awareness campaign will be launched to inform truckies about the change. During an initial two-month period on each stretch of road covered by the cameras, drivers will get a warning letter instead of a fine.


Locations of point to point cameras

LOCATIONS and distances of new point-to-point cameras in NSW.

The NSW Government states the new cameras targetting speeding trucks only will be placed on (road distance):

Mount Ousley Road, Mount Ousley (6km)

Great Western Hwy, Raglan - Meadow Flat (27km)

Hume Hwy, Coolac - Gundagai (20km)

Hume Hwy, Yass - Coolac (75km)

Mid Western Hwy, Bathurst - Blayney (35km)

Monaro Highway, Bredbo - Cooma (34km)

New England Hwy, Muswellbrook - Aberdeen (11km)

New England Hwy, Singleton - Muswellbrook (46km)

Newell Hwy, Eumungerie - Gilgandra (27km)

Newell Hwy, Peak Hill - Tomingley (17km)

Pacific Hwy, Kew - Port Macquarie (21km)

Pacific Hwy, Port Macquarie - Kempsey (40km)

Pacific Hwy, Nabiac - Taree (24km)

Pacific Hwy, Harwood - New Italy (35km)

Federal Hwy, Hume Highway - Collector (20km)

Pacific Hwy, Woodburn - Wardell (20km)

Mitchell Hwy, Molong - Condumbul (28km)

Golden Hwy, Sandy Hollow - Merriwa (34km)

Gwydir Hwy, Glen Innes - Inverell (60km)

Oxley Hwy, Gunnedah - Tamworth (60km)

[T_Terror]

Serious question, why are trucks targeted so heavily on the road?

Do they all really speed that much? I drive a lot and rarely come across a truck in a hurry.

[J_Tank]

It could be argued that heavy vehicles are over represented in fatal crashes due to the fact that they are "heavy vehicles" and most passenger cars involved in a collision with a heavy vehicle are going to come of seriously worse for wear due to the sheer mass of the heavy vehicle. Regardless of whether the truck is doing 100kph or 105kph. As far as I'm aware the safety cams operating in NSW aren't currently configured for speed detection and are for monitoring time spent driving, breaks etc.

[XR2DOOR]

Originally Posted by T_Terror

Serious question, why are trucks targeted so heavily on the road?

Do they all really speed that much? I drive a lot and rarely come across a truck in a hurry.

take a drive on the pacific hway or hume after dark ,

[XR6_190]

Originally Posted by T_Terror

Serious question, why are trucks targeted so heavily on the road?

Do they all really speed that much? I drive a lot and rarely come across a truck in a hurry.

I think it is more about the fact that a truck can cause a lot more carnage than a family sedan or hatch, and that a Truck takes a lot longer to pull up, especially when you are doing over 80, all of the trucks at my work are speed limited to 100

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Dave_au

LOCATIONS and distances of new point-to-point cameras in NSW.

ROFL.....NEW?

Originally Posted by T_Terror

Serious question, why are trucks targeted so heavily on the road?

Serious answer...We're easy to catch and the fines (read revenue) are higher than for cars.

Originally Posted by J_Tank

As far as I'm aware the safety cams operating in NSW aren't currently configured for speed detection and are for monitoring time spent driving, breaks etc.

Thats ALL they're setup for. They cant check breaks etc unless the Truck is stopped by RTA inspectors, and even then they have trouble as the cameras miss picking up the number plates 50% of the time.

[J_Tank]

I stand corrected!

[GasoLane]

Oh, and the RTA often use the Safe-T-Cam for checking car regos... next time you go under one look up and see if the red lights flashes......... Dont forget to smile

[NC1183]

Originally Posted by Daily Telegraphy/RTA

Gwydir Hwy, Glen Innes - Inverell (60km)

Oxley Hwy, Gunnedah - Tamworth (60km)

Why would you want them on this road, unless its so they can waste money.

Originally Posted by Daily Telegraphy/RTA

Newell Hwy, Eumungerie - Gilgandra (27km)

Newell Hwy, Peak Hill - Tomingley (17km)

Why only two on such little sections of the Newell, one of the busist trucking routes on the Eastern side of Australia, unless they will link in with the one at Gundiwindi

[bdave351]

Originally Posted by Dave_au

Roads Minister Michael Daley vows they'll only be used to target trucks and not cars.

I have no faith that down the track there wont be an excuse found to turn them on for cars as well.

Scope creep.......some p plater in a high performance excel will kill someone doing 115 in 110 zone because they cant drive and it will enough.

Where did I loose my faith in our Govt? Oh thats right..... :

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by NC1183

Newell Hwy, Eumungerie - Gilgandra (27km)

Newell Hwy, Peak Hill - Tomingley (17km)
Why only two on such little sections of the Newell, one of the busist trucking routes on the Eastern side of Australia, unless they will link in with the one at Gundiwindi

5 deaths between PH and Tom in the last 3-4 years.

The Tomingly one has been there for years and they're all linked via Syd.

P.S. Nathan... if you dont do your job properly and there's a blackout (hint hint) they dont work

[NC1183]

Ah, ok, didn't know that little fact about Peak Hill area.

Yeah, no worries, tell me when

[GTBenny]

This is the just the first step in introducing them for all vehicles I would say. The government needs money and this will surely be a perfect revenue raiser.

Benny

[reece1]

Originally Posted by T_Terror

Serious question, why are trucks targeted so heavily on the road?

Do they all really speed that much? I drive a lot and rarely come across a truck in a hurry.

you cant be serious. have you travelled the hume or pacific hwy of a night, i sit on 130 and get rounded up all night.
truckies do make up 1/5 the road toll. which is sad. but this will not fix it. just another slap in the face for truckers trying to earn a living.

[tankclare]

Originally Posted by Dave_au

New England Hwy, Muswellbrook - Aberdeen (11km)

New England Hwy, Singleton - Muswellbrook (46km)

Pacific Hwy, Kew - Port Macquarie (21km)

Pacific Hwy, Port Macquarie - Kempsey (40km)

Pacific Hwy, Nabiac - Taree (24km)

Golden Hwy, Sandy Hollow - Merriwa (34km)

Jebus they are targeting the hunter valley and mid north coast aren't they.
I regularly drive all of these roads and i can say that alot of truckies speed along them. Some absolutely crazy if you have ever driven up the Pacific Highway between Raymond Terrace and Kempsey at night. (140+kmh)

Nabiac - Taree has more highway patrol cars then you can poke a stick at already lol.

The one i will find most interesting is the Sandy Hollow - Merriwa area. Usually a place to open the legs up on the long trip and carry some speed. I think they will catch alot of people out.

[Bluehoon]

Don't get too caught up on safety-cam. My team at work supports it and fixes it. I know how often it breaks and where...

[Bushbasher]

How long would it be before some of these cameras start getting blasted with a 303 or shotgun,lol.


Bushbasher

[388cube_edxr8]

Just spray paint the lenses of the cameras in clearcoat. That should do the trick.

If it wasn't just about revenue raising they would have just mandated that all trucks be speed limited to 110kph.

[Fev]

Originally Posted by 388cube_edxr8

Just spray paint the lenses of the cameras in clearcoat. That should do the trick.

If it wasn't just about revenue raising they would have just mandated that all trucks be speed limited to 110kph.

most speed camera's have a security camera watching from a distance usually in hard to reach places

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Fev

most speed camera's have a security camera watching from a distance usually in hard to reach places

They do???
Are you talking Safe-T-Cams or regular speed cams?

[Rodp]

I'm sure the data it collects will also be used to double check the accuracy of log books.

[Fev]

regular speeding cams. I'd like to see someone try and get up to the Safe-T-Cams lol

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Rodp

I'm sure the data it collects will also be used to double check the accuracy of log books.

Duh... This is what they (RTA inspectors) have been doing since their inception.

Log Books are accurate, it's just some of the entries are a little suss.

[Airmon]

They already have a Speed Camera and a 'Noise' Camera on Mt Ousley targetting trucks specifically. So are they removing the speed camera? Or having a Point-too-point Camera and then a Normal speed camera?

[GasoLane]

And if you really want to get paranoid, SA has the Safe-T-Cam as well, linked with NSW RTA.

And it only takes a flick of a switch to get cars.

[Bushbasher]

Originally Posted by Fev

most speed camera's have a security camera watching from a distance usually in hard to reach places

I somehow don't think any security cam is going to pick up Mr Disgruntled sniper at 600m with a telecopic sight on a rifle, haha.

Bushbasher

[NC1183]

Originally Posted by 388cube_edxr8

If it wasn't just about revenue raising they would have just mandated that all trucks be speed limited to 110kph.

Trucks are supposedly speed limited, too 100kp/h but the limiters are tampered with, truck doesn't have one, or "it just broke officer"

[BlackLS]

It'd be interesting to see the ratio of km's/hours driving to fatalities for trucks vs normal road users.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by NC1183

Trucks are supposedly speed limited, too 100kp/h but the limiters are tampered with, truck doesn't have one, or "it just broke officer"

Unless like my company they have satellite tracking, AND we get a 'please explain' letter if the computer in head office gets us for more than 110.....

.........and yes Nathan, I've got a couple of letters

Originally Posted by BlackLS

It'd be interesting to see the ratio of km's/hours driving to fatalities for trucks vs normal road users.

That was published somewhere, for kms travelled Truck stats are waaay better than cars (we hate all the paperwork involved when you crash)

[tendj]

I have driven semies for many years & find that the majority of truck drivers are sensible and drive to the prevailing conditions not like car drivers who jump in the car after work in the city and try to drive all night to go shooting in Bourke & end up DEAD. These cameras should be used for ALL motorists regardles.