how to change lifters?

santoitaliano · 07-02-2005, 12:14 AM

hey all,

once the rocker cover is off, what is involved in changin the lifters.. what exactly needs to be done.. i thought it was a matter of undoing all the bolts on the pedestals and just changing them, but ive heard the power steering pump and something about a tensioner..?

thanks..

santo

sphell · 07-02-2005, 12:20 AM

just rip off the rocker cover, undo the bolts and put the new stuff in. Don't have to do anything with the power steer or the tensioner. Just make sure it's seated properly over the guides or when you start your car, valve's will hit pistons and that ain't fun. Turn it over by hand first with a breaker bar on the crankshaft pully to check if anythings gonna hit.

Psycho Chicken · 07-02-2005, 12:29 AM

And how the hell do you get EF lifters out of the rockers, the ones with the ****y little hole?

santoitaliano · 07-02-2005, 01:09 AM

with my torque wrench, what should i tighten the bolts back up to?

cheers,

Psycho Chicken · 07-02-2005, 01:16 AM

From memory it's 20-25 nm, I just set it to 23nm and went with that.

Low Na · 07-02-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

And how the hell do you get EF lifters out of the rockers, the ones with the ****y little hole?

Small nail works good. Just use a block of wood to sit the edge of the rocker on, and tap the nail with a hammer. Best to blunten the end of the nail though...

santoitaliano · 07-02-2005, 04:22 PM

hmmm.. just after closer inspection... a pedestal has some pretty bad wear from where the rocker rubs up against it.. this particular rocker doesnt line up to the top of the valve spring spot on like the others.. is this something to worry about?

cheers,

07-02-2005, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by santoitaliano

hmmm.. just after closer inspection... a pedestal has some pretty bad wear from where the rocker rubs up against it.. this particular rocker doesnt line up to the top of the valve spring spot on like the others.. is this something to worry about?

cheers,

Yes, definetly worry about it! it must be the early type EA rockers, they didnt have the shim, or the slot in the pedastall for the shim. these always wear out. there is 2 ways to fix it, pull it apart and get them machined flat then use copper shims to make up for lost material, or get another set of rocker gear. the second option is easier and means you could upgrade to the ED type which have the 11 mm lifters and the Shims which are less likely to wear out.

sphell · 07-02-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

From memory it's 20-25 nm, I just set it to 23nm and went with that.

I set my rachet to FT and went with that

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INJECTED_250 · 07-02-2005, 06:11 PM

ya just gues the tension dont ya.... when it gets easy to turn you have gone to far :>:>

stockstandard · 07-02-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by INJECTED_250

when it gets easy to turn you have gone to far :>:>

hahA - Been there. Quite possibly the worst feeling when your working on a car.

santoitaliano · 07-02-2005, 10:12 PM

11mm lifters? so that means i would have to dump the new lifters i bought?

shit shit shit... why cant anything ever be problem-free.. lol lol

there are like washers between most of the rockers and the pedestals, but i think a couple are missing (need to confirm)...

grrr..

thanks

Psycho Chicken · 07-02-2005, 10:43 PM

Did you buy 11mm lifters?

Sundeep · 07-02-2005, 11:55 PM

Hey if you want new rocker gear I have a full set of EF stuff and a full set of EA stuff, the lifters in both are buggered though so you'll need new ones.

Sundeep

santoitaliano · 08-02-2005, 12:26 AM

the lifters i bought are the correct ones for the EA MPFI... are they 11mm.. lol?

i'll check it out..

XRated · 08-02-2005, 01:44 AM

I think the ones for EA-EB are 14mm and the ones for ED-EF are 11mm... Or is it the other way around? LOL

santoitaliano · 08-02-2005, 02:32 PM

sounds right.. 14mm..

so if i were to get a some rocker gear from a wreckers, i would have to get from an EA-EB.. not somtehin like an ED?

cheers

spope · 08-02-2005, 03:57 PM

Other way round... EA lifters are massive compared to EF ones.
Where did you buy them from? Can't you return them?
You can use any rocker gear, EA-EL, they all bolt straight up. I would avoid using series 1 ea, as that doesn't have the intermediate thrust washer between the pedestals.
I got a complete set of EF rocker gear including lifters for next to nothing from JR's... cleaned a couple of the lifters, bolted it on. Easy as, and it's mega quiet too.

santoitaliano · 08-02-2005, 05:27 PM

too long ago to return them... just picked up rocker gear... it must be off something else cos the lifters are the 11mm jobs...

what should i do?

can i change the rockers from the old rocker shaft to the new one, will that work?

i want to do it now, so if anyone could help me out id really appreciate it.. add me to msn if you like: santoitaliano[at]hotmail.com

santoitaliano · 08-02-2005, 05:59 PM

do the ef lifters need to be shimmed also coz it has a cam?

:S

INJECTED_250 · 08-02-2005, 07:57 PM

yes you need to shim them

santoitaliano · 08-02-2005, 07:59 PM

okay.. im changing the rocker gear over to the correct ones tomorow..

does anyone know the correct shim size for a wade 952 profile cam?

cheers

08-02-2005, 11:37 PM

the wade cams usually require double standard shims. i think there 1.8 mm thick for the ED-AU type shim these only come in one thickness. the EA-EB have 3 different sizes so no idea what you will need there.

dansedgli · 09-02-2005, 12:04 AM

I was told today that I just needed another set of standard shims from ford to shim up the cam. This was the 1604-113 grind.

santoitaliano · 09-02-2005, 12:26 AM

ok this is for an EA.. i dont knoe what size...

santoitaliano · 09-02-2005, 01:13 PM

think im an expert now.. lol

its all in... ill put the rocker cover on soon and fire it up..

cross you fingers! pray for me.. haha..

later

santo