BA brakes onto AU...

[HLC]

Originally Posted by philstoj

Well if your getting brakes for $100 are they new?
With this kit, you will need 17" minimum.
$650 for the fronts, and $650 for the rears for sedans, utes will require bigger backing plates so that is $250 extra.

nah. got about 10 000 kays on them.

[dansau1]

will the bakes off the ba/bf fit to my series1 au falcon ute if so were to get the best price on them

[Casper]

Originally Posted by dansau1

will the bakes off the ba/bf fit to my series1 au falcon ute if so were to get the best price on them

Not without changing a significant amount of front suspension.

You will need this as a minimim:
Stub axles
calipers,
discs,
EB Swaybar (and the pins/bushes for it).

The other option is to just change it all over to AU2/3 suspension specs.

[loxxr6]

Originally Posted by dansau1

will the bakes off the ba/bf fit to my series1 au falcon ute if so were to get the best price on them

Best price may depend on what state you're in. FTG Auto Salvage (site sponsor) can hook you up. Different people have used different places.

[JC]

Originally Posted by philstoj

Dont waste your money on BA brakes, for a very small extra, you can get the BF XR8 brakes and they bolt straight on, no mods to AU2/3 models, the difference in braking performance is huge.

Phil - for $60, I can't complain and I don't consider any brake upgrade on an AU1 to be a waste of money considering that Flintstone style brakes would work better than the stock AU1 brakes! LOL.

[DirtyHarry]

Originally Posted by JC

Phil - for $60, I can't complain and I don't consider any brake upgrade on an AU1 to be a waste of money considering that Flintstone style brakes would work better than the stock AU1 brakes! LOL.

So just to clarify, to put BF XR8 brakes on a stocko AU2, what exactly do you need?

- Calipers
- Rotors
- Pads

Anything else? ABS hooks up OK?

[JC]

Originally Posted by DirtyHarry

So just to clarify, to put BF XR8 brakes on a stocko AU2, what exactly do you need?

- Calipers
- Rotors
- Pads

Anything else? ABS hooks up OK?

That's it. AU2 is simple, AU1 not so simple.

[philstoj]

Originally Posted by JC

Phil - for $60, I can't complain and I don't consider any brake upgrade on an AU1 to be a waste of money considering that Flintstone style brakes would work better than the stock AU1 brakes! LOL.

Your right mate, $60 is very cheap upgrade for series 1.
If you were to buy new BA rotors,calipers and pads, i dont think they would be much cheaper than the setup FTG is selling, and definatly not as good.

Anyone with a series 1 au want some au2 xr8 brakes let me know, i have some for sale, only $60, front calipers with lines, new front pads, front rotors need a machine, and a set of rear rotors needs machining.

[RG]

Would I need the lines from the BA or will my old ones be right?

[mattp]

OK, I'm seriously thinking about this now, will go with at least AU2 calipers/rotors, possibly BA if I can get some at the right price... Will the ABS sensors etc be compatible from my AU1 with AU2 or BA brakes?

I can get everything I need to do the AU2 conversion for under $500 here in Brisbane. JC I saw what FTG quoted you, seems to be a lot comparatively!

[JC]

Originally Posted by mattp

OK, I'm seriously thinking about this now, will go with at least AU2 calipers/rotors, possibly BA if I can get some at the right price... Will the ABS sensors etc be compatible from my AU1 with AU2 or BA brakes?

I can get everything I need to do the AU2 conversion for under $500 here in Brisbane. JC I saw what FTG quoted you, seems to be a lot comparatively!

Yeh - stupid price they quoted since I already have more than 50% of what's required. You'd think a site sponsor would actually look after us, wouldn't you?

Any chance you could give me the wreckers name you got your price from, I might just see if they have more. I've tried our local ones, and all I can get is LHS lower control arm and stub for $185 total, but would then still need to source RHS plus swaybar. At least the local Canberra wrecker's prices are at least more consistent with what you've been quoted, just that Canberra wreckers don't really do a lot of AU2 s etc - they still go interstate.

[rob_liss_lms10]

when I was looking at BA brakes I was going to do front only,how ever was told that if I put 298mm on front and left the standard size on the rear that it would cause a braking inbalance between front and rear....meaning that the braking bias as such woukd move more to the front and the rears wont be working as hard, something like 75/25, which would create extra wear on the front pads and make braking whilst cornering dangerous.Dont know if it is true or not, but sounds feasible, but then again I wouldnt know..lol.

[mattp]

Originally Posted by rob_liss_lms10

when I was looking at BA brakes I was going to do front only,how ever was told that if I put 298mm on front and left the standard size on the rear that it would cause a braking inbalance between front and rear....meaning that the braking bias as such woukd move more to the front and the rears wont be working as hard, something like 75/25, which would create extra wear on the front pads and make braking whilst cornering dangerous.Dont know if it is true or not, but sounds feasible, but then again I wouldnt know..lol.

That exact thought occurred to me, dunno what the answer is though. Should only be $100 or so for rear calipers and discs, so I might as well do them too to save the potential hassle. Cheers, Matt.

edit> Has anyone put BA rears onto their AU? Does anyone know if it's a straight bolt on/off jobbie or is there more to it with mounts / handbrake etc? Any knowledge would be great, thanks.

[JC]

Originally Posted by mattp

That exact thought occurred to me, dunno what the answer is though. Should only be $100 or so for rear calipers and discs, so I might as well do them too to save the potential hassle. Cheers, Matt.

edit> Has anyone put BA rears onto their AU? Does anyone know if it's a straight bolt on/off jobbie or is there more to it with mounts / handbrake etc? Any knowledge would be great, thanks.

Matt, it's supposed to be a straight swap. Mounting holes are the same (whereas on the front, they're definitely different). I may do my rears this weekend so may be able to give you a definitive answer on that next week.

[JC]

Originally Posted by rob_liss_lms10

when I was looking at BA brakes I was going to do front only,how ever was told that if I put 298mm on front and left the standard size on the rear that it would cause a braking inbalance between front and rear....meaning that the braking bias as such woukd move more to the front and the rears wont be working as hard, something like 75/25, which would create extra wear on the front pads and make braking whilst cornering dangerous.Dont know if it is true or not, but sounds feasible, but then again I wouldnt know..lol.

Along the same lines as Vic's response, even the XRs/T3s that have the premium brakes (large diameter discs on the front) only use standard (but grooved/slotted) rotors on the rear. If there is a balance issue, this may be rectified by using a different master cylinder, but even then, I don't think it needs doing.

Of course, my not thinking is not the same as me knowing for sure, so if you're not sure and it worries you, then don't take the risk until you get positive advice one way or the other. I will be changing both front and rear, so hopefully that should address any potential issues.

[mattp]

Yeah no probs JC, I'll send you a PM. There's 2 different ones actually, one has the whole setup for $450, the other says $495. I'm going to go with the $495 mob though, I like the way they operate better. I rang them again today and they'll do BA calipers & rotos in the package for no extra cost, so I'm pretty happy about that. Still want to confirm the ABS will hook straight up to BA calipers though, although I presume it will. Is any sort of engineering cert or anything required for changing brakes over? I don't think there would be, just if anyone can confirm this. Cheers!

[JC]

Originally Posted by mattp

Yeah no probs JC, I'll send you a PM. There's 2 different ones actually, one has the whole setup for $450, the other says $495. I'm going to go with the $495 mob though, I like the way they operate better. I rang them again today and they'll do BA calipers & rotos in the package for no extra cost, so I'm pretty happy about that. Still want to confirm the ABS will hook straight up to BA calipers though, although I presume it will. Is any sort of engineering cert or anything required for changing brakes over? I don't think there would be, just if anyone can confirm this. Cheers!

The ABS isn't actually connected to the discs or callipers at all, really. The ABS "ring" is part of the hub that the disc mounts on, and the activation of the ABS is by pulsing the calliper through the change of pressure in the brake fluid. So this setup should not affect the way your ABS works at all.

Oh - and thanks for the info. Even if freight is around $150, you've just saved me around $400 odd. Cheers.

[genebaby]

Dunno about that. Look at a BF GT, 4 piston Brembos on the front, single piston PBR's at the rear......

[mattp]

Excellent JC, I'll look forward to hearing how the rears go.

[JC]

FTG quote for lower control arms, uprights, stub axles and sway bar = $1000 plus freight
Aussie car recyclers (Brisbane) quote = $500 including freight.

Gee, which one should I go with?

[HLC]

its not the firsttime that ive seen FTG quote ridiculous prices. oh well!

[blue terra]

Originally Posted by JC

FTG quote for lower control arms, uprights, stub axles and sway bar = $1000 plus freight
Aussie car recyclers (Brisbane) quote = $500 including freight.

Gee, which one should I go with?

If only i had of known about the Brisbane wrecker last month. When i was organising with my mechanic to get this done :(. Ahh well at least i'll have stopping power now. Getting all my parts from the ford wrecker in campbeltown.

[JC]

Originally Posted by blue terra

If only i had of known about the Brisbane wrecker last month. When i was organising with my mechanic to get this done :(. Ahh well at least i'll have stopping power now. Getting all my parts from the ford wrecker in campbeltown.

How much?

The brisbane buyg's prices match the ones available at my local wrecker (or very close), but he has the stock and my local wrecker hardly does any AUs yet, so the answer for me was simple really. Freight was always going to be a cost, so it doesn't matter to me if it's Melb or Brissie - whoever can deliver for the better price gets my business, and Aussie Car Recyclers were great both for price, and service.

[HLC]

just got my Brakes dropped off.... front and rears :

now i just gotta get some 17's :P

[genebaby]

Originally Posted by HLC

just got my Brakes dropped off.... front and rears :

now i just gotta get some 17's :P

Which ones did you end up getting? BA brakes? They will fit over 16's, anything bigger will need 17's and up.

[blue terra]

Originally Posted by JC

How much?

The brisbane buyg's prices match the ones available at my local wrecker (or very close), but he has the stock and my local wrecker hardly does any AUs yet, so the answer for me was simple really. Freight was always going to be a cost, so it doesn't matter to me if it's Melb or Brissie - whoever can deliver for the better price gets my business, and Aussie Car Recyclers were great both for price, and service.

I think with all the conversion parts to do it's going to be around the $1000 mark. I didnt want hassles of doing the ring around so i left it up to my brake and tyre fitter to get the parts needed. he was saying the swaybar to do it are of an EB falcon. My conversions happening this friday coming so. I kind of justify it that if it helps pull the ute and trailer up quicker/safer and avoids 1 accident to me it will have paid for itself.

[AU2PWR]

Choice Henri , Can you get a Pic of them ?

Plus a Side by Side pic of the BA ones and the AU2 ones when your doing em ...

Cheers
Daniel

[JC]

Originally Posted by AU2PWR

Choice Henri , Can you get a Pic of them ?

Plus a Side by Side pic of the BA ones and the AU2 ones when your doing em ...

Cheers
Daniel

Here you go (AU1 vs BA), but it's not so much the discs (there's only 10mm diff in diameter - AU1 and AU2 are same size in diameter):


But the Pads are bigger


And then there's the callipers:


It's the callipers that give the better braking performance, the extra size of the disc means a bigger pad can be used, and the benefits of using a bigger brake pad clamped by one or more additional pistons in the calliper should be obvious to all.

I don't think the difference between AU2 and BA would be all that great. AU2 to Territory would be though as the disc is at least 15mm larger diameter, so I imagine the callipers and pads are quite a bit larger too.

HLC - The BA brakes will fit under 16" rims, no worries at all.

[genebaby]

Standard BA brake will fit under 16's. The spare for an XR with standard brakes is a 16" steelie, unless optioned to a mag.

[HLC]

well thats strange. from the looks of it, and the consensus at the club, there is NO way, that the front calipers will fit under the fairmont 16" wheels.