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**russellw** · 06-10-2020, 12:24 PM

Data valid as at 23:55 GMT October 5th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

13 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR drops to 3.293% while active cases drop to 1,363. NSW, WA and SA all recorded 1 each with the balance in Victoria.

The Victorian State 14 day moving average is now 12.57 with metro at 10.6 (13 unknown) and regional at 0.3 and no unknown cases. Victoria reported 15 new cases for the last 24 hours.

1 new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.348% and active cases drop to 40.

The UK had a much higher 12,593 new cases yesterday to set a new record for daily cases. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR.

Just under 34.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 332 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.810% and active cases drop to 33.7% with the raw numbers rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The USA completes 112M, India 79M, Spain 13M & Bangladesh 2M tests;
Spain has a major adjustment to their case numbers but mostly timing rather than totals;
South America passes 60 deaths per 100k of population;
Europe recorded an amended daily case high of 72,420 (3/10);

Iran (3,902); the Netherlands (4,579) and the United Kingdom (12,593) recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

Bossxr8 · 06-10-2020, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HIPO

He may get a chance at guarding him again......... in GITMO.....

I really do hope they prove the dodgy crap that obummer set in place before he left. Disgusting conduct.

T3rminator · 06-10-2020, 01:33 PM

So one person (close contact) who went to work whilst their family had tested positive has now caused 25+ cases, and has even leaked into regional Vic. WTF!?!

Is this really just happening in Vic? How is NSW containing all the spot fires they had a few weeks ago? I can't believe this is a governance thing....no one is being "locked up" in other states to prevent transmission... so what is different?

**Polyal** · 06-10-2020, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

So one person (close contact) who went to work whilst their family had tested positive has now caused 25+ cases, and has even leaked into regional Vic. WTF!?!

Is this really just happening in Vic? How is NSW containing all the spot fires they had a few weeks ago? I can't believe this is a governance thing....no one is being "locked up" in other states to prevent transmission... so what is different?

Reporting?

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 06-10-2020, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Reporting?

Testing regimes?

Itsme · 06-10-2020, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

So one person (close contact) who went to work whilst their family had tested positive has now caused 25+ cases, and has even leaked into regional Vic. WTF!?!

Is this really just happening in Vic? How is NSW containing all the spot fires they had a few weeks ago? I can't believe this is a governance thing....no one is being "locked up" in other states to prevent transmission... so what is different?

It appears Danny boy & Co are bit slow learning & responding on how to deal with covid19 compared to rest of Australia.

Be prepared for more pain as this guy got no idea how he is hurting us Victorians.

**FairmontGS** · 06-10-2020, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

So one person (close contact) who went to work whilst their family had tested positive has now caused 25+ cases, and has even leaked into regional Vic. WTF!?!

Is this really just happening in Vic? How is NSW containing all the spot fires they had a few weeks ago? I can't believe this is a governance thing....no one is being "locked up" in other states to prevent transmission... so what is different?

Simples...

"The Victorian Department of Health and Human Services revealed on Wednesday that it has 1700 contact tracers calling Victorians affected by COVID-19, compared with about 400 in NSW.

The DHHS would not provide a further breakdown of what portion of those 1700 tracers were directly phoning close contacts of COVID-19 cases, however, despite reports from Nine News that just 150 were doing so compared with double that in NSW."

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0200819-p55n7a

So nearly all of the 400 CTs in NSW are hitting the phones compare to just 150 of the claimed 1700 CTs in VIC.

xxx000 · 06-10-2020, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I really do hope they prove the dodgy crap that obummer set in place before he left. Disgusting conduct.

So Trump must be respected but name calling re a black Democrat is ok?

T3rminator · 06-10-2020, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Testing regimes?

Its looking like it could be a combination of things. VIc's track and trace may not be 100% efficient. But also the reporting and testing in other states may not be as rigorous? 30 suburbs in NSW are now on "watch" due to CV being detected in sewerage systems. Not sure how accurate this type of testing is. Other countries have claimed that they detected CV in sewerage samples before Jan. Could be hit and miss.

In any rate, even if other states are not reporting, we haven't seen a flood of sick people going into hospitals. So either it is what it is (few cases), or the virus has now mutated to a point where it is less potent (which I believe is what viruses do?).

jmack · 06-10-2020, 09:24 PM

and if his Covid infection is true hopefully he dies sooner rather than later.[/QUOTE]

talking about politicians dying sooner rather than later,its going to be a great day for a drink when old horse head from your side of the ditch decides to leave us in peace

nstg8a · 06-10-2020, 10:12 PM

With the white press secretary being positive I guess that means the press gets a break from getting a whooping every time they ask her a stupid question.

Like ‘when is the president going to condemn white supremacists’... ’

If the press asked proper questions about how or why the COVID is being dealt with they might surprise themselves and get some actual info.

zipping · 06-10-2020, 10:14 PM

[I]An estimated 750 million, or 10 per cent of the world’s population, have been infected by Covid-19, World Health Organisation (WHO) official Dr Mike Ryan has said.[I]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...70626?mode=amp

If we agree that deaths is probably under reported and add 20% gives a CMR of 0.16,which is the lowest I have seen yet. If we double deaths u get 0.26.

Romulus · 07-10-2020, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by zipping

[I]An estimated 750 million, or 10 per cent of the world’s population, have been infected by Covid-19, World Health Organisation (WHO) official Dr Mike Ryan has said.[I]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...70626?mode=amp

If we agree that deaths is probably under reported and add 20% gives a CMR of 0.16,which is the lowest I have seen yet. If we double deaths u get 0.26.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And once again the WHO proving itself wrong with numbers. This is the same outfit that said 2 billion people who be affected by H1N1, when it was only 1/10th. There's only 35 odd million according to World of Meters. WHO is only out by 95%.

But don't let the number get in the way of the narrative.

asagaai · 07-10-2020, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ross 1

Many Chinese members of the National Socialist German Workers Party?

Trump at best has maintained the trends started by Obama https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-45827430 and let his spin convince suckers he is awesome. How many rape allegations does Obama or any other US presidents have against them? Bet the 44 presidents before him combined didn't have 26 women claiming sexual assault, he is a vile human being who associates with pedos, racists (who he won't denounce) and if his Covid infection is true hopefully he dies sooner rather than later.

While I agree with most of your post I do not wish death on Trump by Covid.

My wife says I love Trump, and I admit I am morbidly fascinated by the man, much like I am fascinated by a big brown snake slithering past me. While I disagree and in some cases am disgusted with most things he does, says, "stands" for, one thing I will give him.

He is a greedy crooked man who makes his money bending the edges, not using violence. The positive with this is he is not a hawk and under his "leadership" USA has not been militarily aggressive and military conflicts in sovereign nations have markedly reduced.

My view is he is not evil, which Dick Cheney was. To create a war so your company can profit in post war rebuilding - that is pure evil.

PhilT2 · 07-10-2020, 06:43 AM

I have sympathy for anyone with a teenage daughter, been there done that twice. But when you're the Conways you need to take special care about what you say in front of the kid.
Normally this would be ignored but if they are lying about the condition of the President then the usual rules don't apply.
https://crooksandliars.com/2020/10/c...-twitter-after

**cs123** · 07-10-2020, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PhilT2

I have sympathy for anyone with a teenage daughter, been there done that twice. But when you're the Conways you need to take special care about what you say in front of the kid.
Normally this would be ignored but if they are lying about the condition of the President then the usual rules don't apply.
https://crooksandliars.com/2020/10/c...-twitter-after

George and graveyard barbie should be ashamed of themselves. What a strange family dynamic.

T3rminator · 07-10-2020, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by asagaai

He is a greedy crooked man who makes his money bending the edges, not using violence. The positive with this is he is not a hawk and under his "leadership" USA has not been militarily aggressive and military conflicts in sovereign nations have markedly reduced.

My view is he is not evil, which Dick Cheney was. To create a war so your company can profit in post war rebuilding - that is pure evil.

I would largely agree, however we mustn't forget that he authorised the drone strike on Soleimani, dead in the middle of the night. No discussions with congress or anyone else, single handedly pressed the kill switch. And since the two countries are not officially at war, that amounts to murder. Just to think that, one man, can do that to anyone practically anywhere at anytime should send shivers down our spines.

Back on Covid. A trump advisor has been on Fox News claiming that the virus has not mutated. This is their evidence that the virus was created in a lab, because apparently natural viruses all mutate over time. I am not sure if this is true, because I have heard that the virus has been mutating, and there are different strains which allows scientists to determine which countries have imported from which other countries. It sounded like beating the war drums, less than 30 days till election and polls are widening.

T3rminator · 07-10-2020, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And once again the WHO proving itself wrong with numbers. This is the same outfit that said 2 billion people who be affected by H1N1, when it was only 1/10th. There's only 35 odd million according to World of Meters. WHO is only out by 95%.

But don't let the number get in the way of the narrative.

Its just an estimate. Worldometers and John Hopkins only count actual cases, but the WHO is basing this particular estimate on studies which have found anti bodies on people who never actually tested positive. But yeh, its a very wild, finger in the air, estimate. They were accused of playing it down, so I guess now they are playing it up. A mate of mine living in NY reckons he got it during their initial outbreak, but because he was "young" and they didn't have the resources, he didn't qualify to get tested. I'm sure there are many others in the same boat.

**Polyal** · 07-10-2020, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Back on Covid. A trump advisor has been on Fox News claiming that the virus has not mutated. This is their evidence that the virus was created in a lab, because apparently natural viruses all mutate over time. I am not sure if this is true, because I have heard that the virus has been mutating, and there are different strains which allows scientists to determine which countries have imported from which other countries. It sounded like beating the war drums, less than 30 days till election and polls are widening.

I have no experience with it, but even if it was lab made it would still mutate I would have thought. Haven't watched many sci-fi movies for a while but to suggest you can create a virus that doesn't have the ability to change is pretty cool/scary.

**russellw** · 07-10-2020, 12:22 PM

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT October 6th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

24 new cases for Australia and 1 death so the CMR climbs to 3.294% while active cases rise to 1,368. NSW recorded 11, and SA recorded 2 cases with the balance in Victoria.

The Victorian State 14 day moving average is now 11.64 with metro at 9.9 (12 unknown) and regional at 0.3 and no unknown cases. Victoria reported 6 new cases for the last 24 hours.

3 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.346% and active cases rise to 43.

The UK had a much higher 14,542 new cases yesterday to set a new record for daily cases. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 71 deaths.

Just over 42k new cases in the USA yesterday and 421 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.800% and active cases drop to 33.5% with the raw numbers falling. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 36M with the last 1M also taking 3 days;
Russia recorded their highest daily cases in almost 5 months;
It's relatively insignificant globally but Costa Rica passes 1k deaths;
Asia passes 11M cases;
The USA completes 113M, India 81M, UK 26M, Turkey 11M and Singapore 3M tests;

Angola (195), Bulgaria (436, the previous high on July 7th); Canada (2,804, the previous high on May 3rd); Iran (4,151) and the United Kingdom (14,542) recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

Romulus · 07-10-2020, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Its just an estimate. Worldometers and John Hopkins only count actual cases, but the WHO is basing this particular estimate on studies which have found anti bodies on people who never actually tested positive. But yeh, its a very wild, finger in the air, estimate. They were accused of playing it down, so I guess now they are playing it up. A mate of mine living in NY reckons he got it during their initial outbreak, but because he was "young" and they didn't have the resources, he didn't qualify to get tested. I'm sure there are many others in the same boat.

Recording cases is irrelevant. It's like reporting the number of people who catch a cold. What matters is hospitalisation/ICU rates.

Boris Johnson made statement regarding the severity of his sickness, attributing the length and difficulty of recovery due to his obesity. He's pointed out the obvious, if you're obese, drink and/or smoke and on pharmaceuticals you're going to have a hard time dealing with Covid.

ford71V8 · 07-10-2020, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

Recording cases is irrelevant. It's like reporting the number of people who catch a cold. What matters is hospitalisation/ICU rates.

Boris Johnson made statement regarding the severity of his sickness, attributing the length and difficulty of recovery due to his obesity. He's pointed out the obvious, if you're obese, drink and/or smoke and on pharmaceuticals you're going to have a hard time dealing with Covid.

Must depend on where you are when infected.
Big guy from the US caught it and has not felt this good in 20 years.

Bossxr8 · 07-10-2020, 03:02 PM

So someone from Melbourne has infected a cafe worker from Kilmore. So regional victoria now has a new case.

Dan's plan is regional victoria can only come out of restrictions when there are no cases for 14 days?

It truly is a road map to nowhere. Just takes one case to be back to square one. How will regional victoria ever get to normal when this nazi regime has basically made it impossible?

Most regional areas have not had any new cases in weeks, if they have even had any at all. They simply should not be under anything but the most minor of restrictions relating to mass gatherings, and that's it.

**cs123** · 07-10-2020, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

So someone from Melbourne has infected a cafe worker from Kilmore. So regional victoria now has a new case.

Dan's plan is regional victoria can only come out of restrictions when there are no cases for 14 days?

It truly is a road map to nowhere. Just takes one case to be back to square one. How will regional victoria ever get to normal when this nazi regime has basically made it impossible?

Most regional areas have not had any new cases in weeks, if they have even had any at all. They simply should not be under anything but the most minor of restrictions relating to mass gatherings, and that's it.

QLD have said that NSW needs 28 days of no locally acquired cases before they will re-open border... Plenty of madness to go around.

I don't think Andrews is also saying that no new cases is a hard number, it will be taken in context.

But who knows....

Bossxr8 · 07-10-2020, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cs123

QLD have said that NSW needs 28 days of no locally acquired cases before they will re-open border... Plenty of madness to go around.

I don't think Andrews is also saying that no new cases is a hard number, it will be taken in context.

But who knows....

It's just not feasible.

HIPO · 07-10-2020, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ross 1

Many Chinese members of the National Socialist German Workers Party?

Trump at best has maintained the trends started by Obama https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-45827430 and let his spin convince suckers he is awesome. How many rape allegations does Obama or any other US presidents have against them? Bet the 44 presidents before him combined didn't have 26 women claiming sexual assault, he is a vile human being who associates with pedos, racists (who he won't denounce) and if his Covid infection is true hopefully he dies sooner rather than later.

Wow! childish much!

T3rminator · 07-10-2020, 05:47 PM

Fatigue is really setting in around the metro melb area, particular in the suburbs closer to the CBD. I have a "single bubble" with someone in Sth Yarra, and when I drove there a day ago, the streets were like back to normal, there were people out and about everywhere. But 99% were wearing masks and social distancing.

I think authorities are aware of this, perhaps using it as a "watch and see".

In the last 72 hours I know of two people being randomly spot checked, one was driving at 10pm and the other 3am, both CBD area, so they are definitely still out there on the lookout.

T3rminator · 07-10-2020, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It's just not feasible.

Aim small miss small. Hard to blame them, no premier will want a mass of deaths on their watch after what happened in Vic. You can put in all the governance and controls, but it only takes a couple of people to flout the rules to start a wave. It won't matter where it comes from or who started it, the state being hit will be the state being blamed.

I think there is a bit of psychological games being played too. If Vic can get it down to the levels of the other states on a consistent basis, I think you'll find all states will start to ease their border restrictions. Just a guess.

**FairmontGS** · 07-10-2020, 06:40 PM

What I thought was cool today was the NSW contact tracers working their way from the sewer plants (where CV19 has been present in the water samples) back to suspect suburbs in SW Sydney and testing to find the 3 zombies who didn't know they had the plague. That's dedication

Citroënbender · 07-10-2020, 06:56 PM

So, if someone thought they had CV, going to the toilet in the largest residential buildings would create the most chaos?