Possible solution to hoon drivers.

[Poorboy_racer]

Ok been talking with my wife and think we have a solution to the rising road toll crushing hoons cars etc situation.
From the bulk of articles we have read. Most car accidents seem to be driver error. Far more than any other factor. Therefore to reduce incidents, drivers need better reactions/ driving skills. What about as the second phase of your test you take a trip to the drags and have to pull a sub 1 second light before you can take off your Ps? Then you could get rid of them sooner and anyone with Ps really would need to be watched by other road users. As everyone would know they have rubbish reactions. Then my wife says driver skill involves going round corners. Ok then, open up the race tracks Philp Island, Eastern Creek, Winton etc etc for a few laps. Then she says but cars come the other way on the road. So to get off your Ps you must do 10 laps of your local track in a given time with half of you going one way and the other half going the opposite direction. If you can do that for 10 laps without a prang then you really deserve to be off you Ps.

In all honesty did an advanced motoring test in the UK on my bike and it was 10X harder to pass than the Department of Transport test. Don’t know if you can take an advance motor test in Aus but if you did (believe me they are really hard to pass) then you should be able to cut the time on Ps as an incentive. Also anything like skid pan time etc should take time off you Ps in my opinion anyway. As for hoons, taking your car or bike onto a proper race track under controlled conditions really slows you up on the road as it no longer gives you the same kick. Everyone I know who races is ‘Mr Goody two shoes’ on the road. I made a suggestion to the paper once for the Police to spend some of the huge road revenue they make, by sponsoring some meetings at the drags and race tracks etc. They could really press the point about safe driving etc and be good for Police relations. The reaction was “Cant do that as it would teach the youngsters to drive faster”. Also as the police are known to check cars at the major car shows here in W.A. no one with a modified car would turn up.

Just encase anyone’s daft enough to think I was serious about the first bit. IT’S A JOKE

[Conrad]

The first bit wasn't even funny so why did you include it.

cbf reading the second bit now - waste of time

[4Vman]

Oh dear......

[cuz]

Your whole post is a joke.

[Werd.]

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[Nostalgia]

You owe me 35 cents for opening this post. Words defy me right now.

[TEaaron]

Lol, let's teach every one to be a race car driver!!

[4Vman]

Paul Morris will be head instructor...

[Green X]

Perhaps we should just not get all worked up over stuff like this, cause 90% of the time it is the media making a bigger deal out of it than it really is.

I do 30,000 or so Km a year and from what i see it's hardly a major problem and if anything, it is the same as it has always been, when reading or listening to media reports I have to look outside to make sure i am not in a Mad Max movie.

Some times i think this country is going down hill fast, with all the complaining we all do not to mention all the "this is how we are going to make your life's better" groups out there.

[[Tonko]]

I think its more along the lines of people dont care on the road, i mean, how many do you see texting,eating, searching for something in the back or passenger floor?
I was nearly side swiped by a woman in a Prado today, because she was texting. So i asked her what her problem is, and she just said "what i do in my car is my business Fork (censored version) off!"
I couldnt believe the arrogance of the Beeatch

[Hybrid34]

Originally Posted by TonkoXR8

I think its more along the lines of people dont care on the road, i mean, how many do you see texting,eating, searching for something in the back or passenger floor?
I was nearly side swiped by a woman in a Prado today, because she was texting. So i asked her what her problem is, and she just said "what i do in my car is my business Fork (censored version) off!"
I couldnt believe the arrogance of the Beeatch

Should have kicked her door in,
Besides that, yes that post was kinda pointless in a way, but all in all in a way what you say is true, put p plates on a skid pad, and track work...
Im sitting on the fence with this one as it can go one of two ways,
-P platers will think their better drivers (hot headed) and driver faster

but then the other point is
- Advanced driving courses all deal with skid pads, track work and how to manouver a car...so maybe something like a course before you get your p's COULD be a good thing
- Ash

[Trevor 57]

Thnak god it wan't just me who thought this was a bit left field - enough said!

[gozza]

You can't save the world buddy - Hoon is becoming such a sensationalised fad word

its like emo - What is a hoon - People who drove like morons on the road are exactly that - whether it be driving with your head up your date or weaving in and out of lanes like a hero

+1 for discretional skids and open road squirts

[|||]

i reckon a better plan would be to make the p platers compete for places. not everyone deserves to drive the same way not everyone deserves a uni place.

the test has 2 parts:

1) a formal HSC style exam covering road rules, legal rights and obligations, the mechanics of a car & how to interact with other humans

2) a practical driving test over a number of days. covering all aspects likely to be encountered on the road.

set a competancy level (say 75% pass mark on the exam and no more than 3 errors on the practical part) and only let only those that pass have a licence.

no more idiot p platers on the road

[EA2BA]

A well educated moron, is still a moron. <--- no way a test or exam will ever fix that!

[sleekism]

I think it is a good idea especially the track days.

Whenever a cop ever tells you to do it on a track don't ever be smart and ask how many hundreds of kilometres away the nearest track is...............

[Fair302]

To those who flamed the author, I gues you don't live in WA? Because you would recognise sarcasme straight away. WA Driver's SUCK; WA road rules, mentality and enforcement = retarded. Sorry to be so harsh, but that is the truth!

Speed kills....??????

Actually it isn't the speed it self, it is the difference in speed between road users!!! Not being able to merge, driving too slow, staying in the right lane, not reading the road or traffic are also great causes of problems, just like not knowing the road rules or giving other road user's ample room.

But the government has done a great job of brain washing everybody with:

DOB IN HOONS AND DON"T SPEED because then all above become null and void and you are an true angel on the road???????

IDIOT RULES, DESIGNED BY IDIOTS FOR .....

[Fair302]

The word naive comes to mind....

[Nostalgia]

Originally Posted by EA2BA

A well educated moron, is still a moron. <--- no way a test or exam will ever fix that!

Agreed.

[70caprigt3k]

Originally Posted by gozza

You can't save the world buddy - Hoon is becoming such a sensationalised fad word

its like emo - What is a hoon - People who drove like morons on the road are exactly that - whether it be driving with your head up your date or weaving in and out of lanes like a hero

+1 for discretional skids and open road squirts

+1 Well said!

[Rodp]

Don't give up your day job.

[Poorboy_racer]

I wasn’t going to reply to this, as in retrospect the first part of the post is a bit silly. Was just talking about all the fuss about 'hoons' we keep hearing in the media. Makes me sick. ‘Dob in a hoon’ and get their car impounded………yea sure. Better not upset my neighbours in case they phone the Rozzers. It was posted (rather foolishly it seems now) in a fit of extreme boredom. Accepted shouldnt have bothered.

The second part was partly serious. If you could get 6 months cut off the time you need to display P plates by passing a self funded voluntary advanced driving course who wouldn’t do it? You can get a 4 hour skid pan course here at the AHG driver centre for only $75. The attitude given by the police (and Im not knocking the police in general) that you may just teach people to drive faster is crazy. When it rains here there is total carnage on our roads. After a long dry period you can see the diesel floating on top of the wet surface (I also ride a bike) but hardly any one seems to think it may actually be slippery. I have seen a police car taking a sharp turn in to Kings Park when the back let go, the driver slammed on the brakes! Surprise, surprise he lost it and spun out. If he had kept his boot down and put in a bit of opposite lock he could have made it easy. Im not saying Im the worlds greatest driver or anything. I just think the more experience in different conditions you can get the better. And it should be fun. The people you hear say I could never take my car to the drags I would be too frightened. You must be mad to do that etc…etc…Can you drive in a straight line? Yes, you can drag race then. These people are fine on the main road where there are other people about, and its infinitely more dangerous. Makes no sense.

[bob^]

Who cares about the hoons now. The hot topic on A Current Affair is National Bingo night...

[MeLLy]

Actually in almost every arguement i have been involved in on these forums i have always said that instead of all the extra money making crap they keep bringing out that they should just train us better...and the young ones better...
Doesnt take rocket science.

[eXi7w0unD]

u cannot stop "hoons" we are human. it will never happen. in my lifetime anyway.

[GORDZ]

welcome to my ignore list.