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Yesterday’s announcement that Ford will close its manufacturing operations in Geelong and Broadmeadows by 2016 at the cost of 1,200 jobs raises questions of what the workers' future employment options are.
But as these workers consider their futures, we need to understand that nearly half of Australian adults are considered functionally illiterate. And manufacturing workers in Victoria, which includes those in the firing line at Ford, were found to have even lower literacy skills, with 54% scoring at the lowest levels. The data are alarming and there are now serious concerns about these levels of literacy and the impact they have on the employment, health and education opportunities for workers. Given the strong links between increasing literacy and better employment opportunities, economic independence and social conditions including health and education, this is a serious issue not only for manufacturing workers, but for the rest of the Australian community. Advertisement What is functional illiteracy? Functional literacy is broadly defined as having the literacy skills for everyday living. This includes reading and writing lists, interpreting medicine labels, understanding road signs, using maps, navigating the internet, using instruction manuals and other procedural texts that people encounter in their daily lives. While complete illiteracy refers to a total inability to read or write, functional illiteracy is much more difficult to see, as functionally illiterate adults can generally read and write to a limited degree. UNESCO defines functional illiteracy as being unable to productively engage with society due to poor reading and writing skills. Data from a recent Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) study, as part of the Programme for the International Assessment of Adult Competencies (PIAAC), assessing adult literacy and numeracy skills shows that about 44% of Australians aged 15 – 74 had literacy skills at levels that are considered to be functionally illiterate. Older Australians have lower literacy rates than younger Australians, with 65% scoring at the lowest literacy levels. http://brisbanetimes.drive.com.au/mo...524-2k4u1.html My Comment, if this is true, then Australia's education system has a lot to answer for...What has all the money on education , been spent on ??????
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If an adult has extremely poor literacy after the age of 25, who do you blame?
On a second point, who should be liable for the costs to educate them?
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I believe this is why we need manufacturing in this country. Not everyone will be able to obtain a university education and work in so called "smart economy" being designers and engineers. People who cannot achieve these levels of education need jobs like manufacturing because we all can't be cleaners and check out chicks.
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And these people were getting paid $50 an hour?? Can someone please clear that up, what does a shift line worker actually get paid per hour? This is what Dowling suggests.
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$50 ph is the quoted "average" hourly rate. This would include overtime, afternoons shift, weekend and holiday rates. Sounds very close to me, if I was guessing I'd say $40-$45 average, but they may include super in their figures.
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Been through this argument overseas with US auto workers supposedly costing $76/hour.
These cost figures are arrived at by adding all pay benefits super contribution, leave loading, sick pay, long services accrued in 12 months and then dividing through the actual hours available for work.. I think they even heap in training courses and cost of workers comp per worker... |
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Nearly half of Australian are illiterate? Wonder where they draw the line of what's illiterate and what's not.
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A friend of mine I've known since childhood used to work on the assembly line at Nissan as a spot welder. He has changed jobs almost 20 times in the 20 years since Nissan closed. Some low skilled workers will never be able to find secure employment once large manufacturing companies disappear.
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Ok first of all , is this thread about low level skilled/production workers only or trades aswell ?
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Is it because we are more mechanically gifted with our hands than the brains we deserve less ? Any tradesman who deals with engineers will tell you the majority are theorist and it should be mandatory for engineers to spend one year on the tools to understand and appreciate what we do . But instead I see new grads come into the work place thinking they know it all and will not take advice/listen to the guys who have been in the game for years . We just sit back watch them struggle, stuff up and waste time and show them days later in 5mins how to make their job easier . . . Knowledge is the key not a fancy suits and shiney shoes . . . An one more thing , by the time I leave/loose my job lm going to university to become a primary school teacher , Im only 25 years old now and they have it set . . . 3 months off a year , pay increase of 20% over 4 years recently , later starts . . . To many perks already compared to a Trade , so no a teacher doesn't deserve more . . . Last edited by Cheese3; 27-05-2013 at 07:08 PM. |
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The unskilled and semi skilled middle class is dead.
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Good teachers (the vast majority) work 60 plus hrs/wk, dot regurgitate the cynical Murdoch/Bolt/Hadley/Jones/Devine tripe.
It's intellectually lazy to spread their rubbish. 'Raising' other people's brats is one of societies thankless tasks. If its such a doodle, just go ahead and find out for yourself then tell us all about it.
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A Bolt supporter eh?
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There are many 'professionals' I have met where you could question their 'functional literacy'
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Imagine what happens to society when these people no longer can find secure employment with regular income? Ugly. There are more people at the lower end of society. I am not being derogatory to these people. They need to be given opportunities and manufacturing industries have been their saviour.
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My girlfriend, sister in law and a few mates are teachers and I've seen it's not a cruisy gig. Try spending just one day looking after 20-odd little ****'s with all their attitudes and behavioural issues and see if you think the same thing. Teachers end up spending more time with kids than the parents do. After work hours and weekends they're often writing reports, marking, preparing lesson plans for the next day or week or researching ways to manage problem behaviour. Come report writing time they can disappear for weeks. This is all unpaid in their free time but expected. Someone once said the same thing to my girlfriend after a full-on week and she just looked back at them with a pale exhausted face and said "it's just not worth the money. You need those holidays to stay sane." If you're not dedicated to the job and prepared to really invest your life in it you won't make it. I hope you love coordinating concerts and musicals and performing in front of kids and parents because you'll be doing heaps of that ![]()
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Those lucky enough to have access to a first class education, including degree at a top uni then your OK. Those that don't like school or mum and dad are too flat out paying off the over inflated mortgage to cover school fees, then enjoy life at the bottom of the feed lot. Hard work wont work any more, that piece of paper will be the ticket to $. |
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The best perk for me to become a primary teacher is because Im male , when my 3 friends went to find a job and went to interviews the other applicants are 98% female but when they cull the numbers to the final four , three of them would be guys because schools are trying to boost the % of male to female teacher ratio. Raising the "brats" I won't have any dramas , the part that I will find hard and will be hard to restrain myself is dealing with parents . . . I'm a realist and I tell it how it is , we encourage freedom of speech but your not allowed to say something that might upset someone . . I can vision a scenario already with a parent . . . Me: "Hi there Missus Smith , thanks for coming in. We had an incident today with your son . He was bulling and physically pushing over another student at lunch today an . . . " Missus Smith "How dare you accuse my son of that , he wouldn't do such a thing my poor little angel , you have no right single him out over other children" and at that part ill start getting annoyed because they are bias and being irrational as they are blind because their baby boy is always innocent in their own eyes . Upset no , more annoyed how people believe getting a degree is the only way to get ahead in life . . . I do know more than I wrote in my first post , I only listed the perks better than what I have now , nothing about the job itself . . . |
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Private Catholic Boys School , paid by the wages of my boiler maker father . . . Why you ask ?
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![]() nah all serious though , I have thought about it and personally I would like to try something left of field and challenging. My old man says to me get my underwater welding tickets and my brother who is a Chemical Engineer (yes he is one of you, grrrrr) says try Mech eng . . . On the subject of my brother though who is 4 years older , he quit being a chemical engineer for 3 years nearly to work as a rigger on building sites . . . He was getting more money and the experience he gained on the tools is priceless as the tradies he works with now are shocked that he knows the difference between a spanner and a hammer ![]() Quote:
![]() General Maths : 32/50 Physics : 27/50 System Technology : 48/50 (yes it involved working with my hands) and the last one English : 13/50 I look back on English now , I was left behind at year 10 trying to understand it and also I was a youngen kid . . . I finished year 12 when I was 17 , I wasn't mentally mature to grasp the English subject at all and I look at it now I could . . . |
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Is there much underwater welding work in Australia?
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Yes it is crap, the figure is more like 80 hours a week.
My wife is a prep teacher as in teaches 5 year olds. This is a normal week: Sunday; prepare weeks lessons and create all of the documentation and components, 4-6 hours. Monday-Friday; up at 5, leave at 7, prepare and look after kids until 9, start school. Teach until first break. While kids are on first break, watch kids and prepare next lesson. Teach until second break. (lunch) Try to scoff down a bit of food while on playground duty during lunch and then prepare afternoon lesson. Ensure kids are picked up at 3pm and then start to prepare next day as well as feed all the crap into the computer for "one school" etc. Get home some time between 5 and 6pm. Mark work/homework and at various times do reports cards, naplan and all the other crap. Saturday usually recover but at times do preparation. Holidays: Easter, clean up after exams and prepare for next term. June, finish off semester and prepare for next semester. September, same as easter. December, yay year is over but in 3 weeks the whole thing starts again. Of course it is just repeating last year......except if it is a different grade, the curriculum has changed, a new HOD or Boss wants to do it a different way or about a squillion other things. I am an electrician by trade and used to work for a large corporation. My week back then was: 9 day fortnight. Turn up at start time Have smoko . Have lunch Go home. Do what I was told to do and if the job was not finished by knockoff then it did not get done until the next day. Weekends were my time, stuff work. I now run my own business and have a week off every couple of years if I am lucky. Any employed tradie who thinks that professionals have it easy has NO IDEA AT ALL. |
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