Wheel adaptor plates

[Tornado]

Just wandering if wheel adaptor plates on pre AU cars are legal ?
ie:
Will insurance care if I use them to fit AU wheels on an EL ?

Something like these things:

[5L]

i hope u like ur wheels hangin far out from your guards with those

[LUXO_8]

Originally Posted by eb5speed

i hope u like ur wheels hangin far out from your guards with those

garbage!! theyre designed to put AU+ wheels onto preAU

he has an EL as well as his T3....


unfortunatley, insurance = void with them........which is why i dont have them

[Tornado]

Its a shame, there's just no good wheels for pre AU. All the ones I like are for AU/BA..

[Tornado]

These ones for example...
I want 17" but the pre AU ones only come in 16"
http://www.speedywheels.com.au/image...holotype-r.htm

[LUXO_8]

Originally Posted by Tornado

Its a shame, there's just no good wheels for pre AU. All the ones I like are for AU/BA..

agreed, and there is nothing wrong with them - they are used in motorsport (porsche racing for one!) , and i wouldnt have any poblems with using them other than the insurance thing - which is a big issue for me.....


its just they are put in the same basket as spacers ( a plate with holes to space the wheel out) which they clearly arent

[efgiar]

u can get the after markets for em...

[Tornado]

Originally Posted by MADNC_8

its just they are put in the same basket as spacers ( a plate with holes to space the wheel out) which they clearly arent

Yeah these ones are not spacers, they bolt up to your hubs and then the wheels bolt up to them.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Wheel-Billet-...QQcmdZViewItem

[Tornado]

Originally Posted by efgiar

u can get the after markets for em...

????
What do you mean.. after market what ?

[LUXO_8]

Originally Posted by Tornado

Yeah these ones are not spacers, they bolt up to your hubs and then the wheels bolt up to them.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Wheel-Billet-...QQcmdZViewItem

yeah i know, ive checked em out and have mates that run them etc......:
i like being insured though...

i have no idea why they're declared illegal, they have the center lip for the rim to sit on, they arent putting any extra load on the wheel studs, they dont change the cars track..............its just silly

[06EVL]

Up in QLD they are in a grey area at the moment, but in saying that my brother was running adaptors on his car and crashed about 6 months ago. The car was written off and the insurance company paid out, they even came out and had a look at the car and the adaptors were still on it.

[jcxr]

Sorry girls , they are like like a sick falcon , ( ill eagle }

[niko]

there engineered and everything. i dont see why there a sick bird.

[jcxr]

They are increasing the offset. Equals extra load ,I think??????

[LUXO_8]

but they arent, thats where you're wrong..
they mount to the hub then the rim mounts to them....... this corrects the rims offset to the car......(makes the AU rim have Eseries offset.....)

they arent changing the cars wheel offset at all...

again, every car in the porsche racing series (forget the name) uses them.... if they can withstand that kind of load i reckon they're quite safe for street use on my fairlane lol....

also, to be legal for the racing series, they would have to have some kind of sanctioning.....so they have to be safe to use....

[Aaron_EF8]

You can't fit proper adapters to the front of e-series brakes though, I think thats another reason they are illegal.

EDIT - I know you can get adapters, but with the shape of the front hub, the adaptors won't have spigots on the front, so they are basically very expensive bolt-on spacers.

[Racecraft]

I have not had an issue with mine but EABender has snapped the studs off the adapters on his. So illegal or not, I;d look into the quality of them too

[LUXO_8]

Originally Posted by Aaron_EF8

EDIT - I know you can get adapters, but with the shape of the front hub, the adaptors won't have spigots on the front, so they are basically very expensive bolt-on spacers.

ahhhhhhh now i see....

so basically....if someone machined up some "front" adapters, with a larger "spiggot" as on the normal front, that'd make it much more legal....

[jcxr]

An engineer would have to look at the cross section of the scenario to give an appraisel of the load on the axles ,bearings ,tyres etc

[snypereb]

They are massive adaptors the insurance company wont come near you!!!!

[EA_Bender]

Originally Posted by Racecraft

I have not had an issue with mine but EABender has snapped the studs off the adapters on his. So illegal or not, I;d look into the quality of them too

that'd be me!! next weekend im going to press the studs out and buy some propper ones them press them back in, should all be good then, its just crap material they use in making them.

in saying that, they didnt really snap off, when changing the wheels round one day, i couldnt undo one, a little force later, it just twisted off, ive been running it on 4 studs for a while, not ideal i know...

ben

[Gammaboy]

Originally Posted by jcxr

An engineer would have to look at the cross section of the scenario to give an appraisel of the load on the axles ,bearings ,tyres etc

If they're only being used to allow an AU offset wheel to be fitted to a Pre AU falcon, and the track measurement of the vehicle (measured from the centreline of the wheels) doesn't change, then there is no change in loads on the axles/bearings/tyres. Bolt on adaptors such as these, as long as they are decent quality (As i sit here looking at the broken off stud still embedded in one of Benders wheelnuts) should be fine.
However, various state authorities say they're illegal, and after seeing some fairly ordinary ones about, i can understand their reasoning.

Non-bolt on spacers that just sit between your wheel and hub are a bit iffy from an engineering viewpoint as the poor fit between the spacer and the wheel studs can lead to the studs being able to bend rather than act in shear.

Here ends todays engineering lesson.

[EFFalcon]

put it this way.
its a risk, there is no other way of putting it.

In terms of vicroads, they're illegal.
if you can get away with them being fitted then good on you, but they are still illegal.
you *RISK* voiding your insurance and possible defects, but you may get away on both counts.
i know plenty of people running them, and have considered them for my car, but i'm not willing to risk it right now.

[LTDHO]

Originally Posted by MADNC_8

again, every car in the porsche racing series (forget the name) uses them.... if they can withstand that kind of load i reckon they're quite safe for street use on my fairlane ....

I don't know, you drive the Fairlane pretty hard....

ha ha.

Can anyone find where is states they're illegal?
I always looked at them and thought they were but never saw it written anywhere.

[svy08]

Originally Posted by Tornado

Just wandering if wheel adaptor plates on pre AU cars are legal ?
ie:
Will insurance care if I use them to fit AU wheels on an EL ?

Something like these things:

hey man im now on my third e series with hub adapters and you want 25mm hub adapters (i dont care what the book says at the mag shop) you have scrubbing probs with big wheels and 35-40mm adapters
its also a good cheat for e series that are way too low
ive chopped another inch off my super super lows and au offset 19's still dont scrape with 25mm adapters

i figure if the car is un insurable why not fit em

[12]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

Can anyone find where is states they're illegal?
I always looked at them and thought they were but never saw it written anywhere.

Exactly. There's nothing in writing to state that "Hub Adaptors", which is what these are, are infact illegal. There is in writing however, that "Spacers" are illegal. From the vicroads website.. Vehicle Standards Information, Guide to Modifications, section 8.6, Axels, Suspension and Steering Components.

"Spacers between the wheel and hub are not permitted unless provided by the vehicle manufacturer as original equipment."

Spacers.. the ones you can get your local spares retailer, the 5-10mm thick circle with holes.. are illegal. But nothing on hub adaptors.

I knew a guy about 5-6 years ago with an XE who had hub adaptors fitted and was fully legal. What he did was get a certificate from the hub adaptor manufacturer stating they are made to meet certain ADR's / safety requirements or similar (can't remember exactly sorry). He also got an engineers certificate (cost him about $125 or close to that figure) for the hub adaptors. With these, he got insurance approval and was fully legal on the roads. This might be something X-series and E-series owners might want to chase up if you want to be fully legal. A lot of mucking around, but if you really want a set of rims, might be worth it.

[snypereb]

Just be carefull mate the police and insurance companies will eat you alive!!!

[Aaron_EF8]

They are still considered unsafe on E-Series because the front adapters don't have spigots. You can not safely/legally carry all the weight of the front end on the wheel nuts, the wheels have to sit on the spigots, it's as simple as that.

[Tornado]

If by "spigots" you mean the raised round section in the middle that the rim sits on then these adaptors have it. Anyway I think I will keep looking for a decent pre AU rim to fit to the wagon, afterall it will be carrying the family around so I don't want to do anything to it that just might cause safety issues and insurance problems.

[EFFalcon]

are you sure the fronts have the spigots.
because its kinda hard to do it on the front hub.
rear you can.