Depression, Anxiety

[ford man xf]

Trejo what would happen if say there were two people near your house arguing, do you have to confront them for the anxiety to go away? If you try and resist the urges to go and see what is happening what normally would happen with you and your state of mind?

[Tui2]

Originally Posted by ford man xf

Trejo what would happen if say there were two people near your house arguing, do you have to confront them for the anxiety to go away? If you try and resist the urges to go and see what is happening what normally would happen with you and your state of mind?

wow! I Who would of thought my Ford would bring me here, to this point after 50years where people actually show concern and interest, giving me a piece of ... i don't know how to put it.. earthling acceptance.??.. but that question is so so close to the major debilitating factor for my anti socialism, and to honestly answer... i can't say i know til it's time once again to disassociate with myself as i step out of my body , to the top left above my head, and watch on. Latest example. . I took my old man to the dental clinic and as he was coming out i was over hearing patients in waiting room discuss a doctor and his practices name and address.. i knew this as he was my doctor. now i always wait outside waiting rooms, as it's always best for everyone if I do, and even though my post stroke drag footed 85 yo father is coming towards me, i couldn't wait to push past him and rush with my loud voice and say " oh for Christ's sake, its e... family med.. ka.... road e....! and then storm back past my old man and wait for him to finally make it to the car whilst i breath and prepare for the drive home. Do with that what you will, cause i still never cease to be dumbfounded by the elusive triggers

[SYZ]

Originally Posted by ford man xf

Trejo what would happen if say there were two people near your house arguing, do you have to confront them for the anxiety to go away? If you try and resist the urges to go and see what is happening what normally would happen with you and your state of mind?

For me, confrontation would be out of the question. My reaction? Anger-> frustration-> withdrawal-> tears-> shutdown. In extreme cases I've had panic attacks—which is a whole other ball game!

[Tui2]

Originally Posted by SYZ

For me, confrontation would be out of the question. My reaction? Anger-> frustration-> withdrawal-> tears-> shutdown. In extreme cases I've had panic attacks—which is a whole other ball game!

Yes it certainly isn't a good idea to endure confrontation for me due to
1. nothing good comes out of violence, obviously.
2. But with me, because I was such a gentle and placid child , after years of enduring bullying and constant parental demands to turn the other cheek, that when in my late teens i was still getting picked out of a crowd in pubs n clubs to be challenged to a fight, my mind finally snapped. Thats when i discovered i was a lot stronger and sadistically violent than anyone or thing i had endured prior, there were/are no rules or morals if you forced me to physically defend myself, as i have no control after i disassociate from reality. So that began my anti socialising by avoiding alcohol induced events, didn't leave much besides church, but it made me feel uncomfortable,.. the singing of hymns within my 'hypocritical parental'' catholic upbringing and then with the rocking evangelical born again meetings, there was the healing by laying on of hands and need to speak in tongues that just made me feel like... how do i put it... like it was insulting my intelligence, taking goodness too far, this is just how i feel. My faith can't out way my intelligence, even for the better good of me socialising with, it most cases, genuinely good hearted caring supportive people. So i again fight depression and isolate myself from the anxiety that comes with the days recollections of what i may have did or said that was inappropriate this time. Ok this session's time is up, later and again thanks for all your support to our cause.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Trejo

Yes it certainly isn't a good idea to endure confrontation for me due to
1. nothing good comes out of violence, obviously.
2. But with me, because I was such a gentle and placid child , after years of enduring bullying and constant parental demands to turn the other cheek, that when in my late teens i was still getting picked out of a crowd in pubs n clubs to be challenged to a fight, my mind finally snapped. Thats when i discovered i was a lot stronger and sadistically violent than anyone or thing i had endured prior, there were/are no rules or morals if you forced me to physically defend myself, as i have no control after i disassociate from reality. So that began my anti socialising by avoiding alcohol induced events, didn't leave much besides church, but it made me feel uncomfortable,.. the singing of hymns within my 'hypocritical parental'' catholic upbringing and then with the rocking evangelical born again meetings, there was the healing by laying on of hands and need to speak in tongues that just made me feel like... how do i put it... like it was insulting my intelligence, taking goodness too far, this is just how i feel. My faith can't out way my intelligence, even for the better good of me socialising with, it most cases, genuinely good hearted caring supportive people. So i again fight depression and isolate myself from the anxiety that comes with the days recollections of what i may have did or said that was inappropriate this time. Ok this session's time is up, later and again thanks for all your support to our cause.

I don't know, I had a lot of people want to bash me up when I went to a new school in grade 3, it would be on everyday like, I never even got to say a word to anyone and I was attacked full on, when I went down stairs to lunch by a mob of about 50 and I don't know why even to this day they did such a thing, maybe it was because I had to wear a school uniform and all the others did not.
My mum and dad could not care less that we were the only ones that had a school uniform they said we don't care at all what your problem is, they payed for them so you will just have to put up with it and could not care less who of how many people attacked you.
I was brought up in a family that all were fully involved in Judo, so no one could bash me up at school, but I was nice to people and did not try to hurt them.
Then I got into Religion, it was only protestant worldly crap but then I came to the RCC and understood what was truly what, sadly most of them don't have a clue and waffle on and on about just rubbish.
I never could give a toss what people said to me as it never bothered me at all what a fool said.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by Trejo

Yes it certainly isn't a good idea to endure confrontation for me due to
1. nothing good comes out of violence, obviously.
2. But with me, because I was such a gentle and placid child , after years of enduring bullying and constant parental demands to turn the other cheek, that when in my late teens i was still getting picked out of a crowd in pubs n clubs to be challenged to a fight, my mind finally snapped. Thats when i discovered i was a lot stronger and sadistically violent than anyone or thing i had endured prior, there were/are no rules or morals if you forced me to physically defend myself, as i have no control after i disassociate from reality. So that began my anti socialising by avoiding alcohol induced events, didn't leave much besides church, but it made me feel uncomfortable,.. the singing of hymns within my 'hypocritical parental'' catholic upbringing and then with the rocking evangelical born again meetings, there was the healing by laying on of hands and need to speak in tongues that just made me feel like... how do i put it... like it was insulting my intelligence, taking goodness too far, this is just how i feel. My faith can't out way my intelligence, even for the better good of me socialising with, it most cases, genuinely good hearted caring supportive people. So i again fight depression and isolate myself from the anxiety that comes with the days recollections of what i may have did or said that was inappropriate this time. Ok this session's time is up, later and again thanks for all your support to our cause.

I remember seeing thru school so many kids that got picked on we're big enough that I used to think, man if that kid snaps....those bullies are dead! But because they were the quiet type, more likely raised better aswell, they just rolled with the punches.
But you know what....looking back.....they are the more normal kids,the smart kids, the lucky kids, the ones who as I now scroll through Facebook.....have families. While the bullies are either dead or lonely drunks and so on. Your dead right....violence almost never amounts to anything good. Whether your a kid or a grown up...whatever your situation now, imagine going to prison for a one hit punch fatality, and dealing with that!

[castellan]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

I remember seeing thru school so many kids that got picked on we're big enough that I used to think, man if that kid snaps....those bullies are dead! But because they were the quiet type, more likely raised better aswell, they just rolled with the punches.
But you know what....looking back.....they are the more normal kids,the smart kids, the lucky kids, the ones who as I now scroll through Facebook.....have families. While the bullies are either dead or lonely drunks and so on. Your dead right....violence almost never amounts to anything good. Whether your a kid or a grown up...whatever your situation now, imagine going to prison for a one hit punch fatality, and dealing with that!

It's the drugs people are on nowadays that is the main problem and the main cause is the government and their brain dead Political Correct narrow minded filth they push that destroys people.

[Tui2]

Originally Posted by 1tuffute

i remember seeing thru school so many kids that got picked on we're big enough that i used to think, man if that kid snaps....those bullies are dead! But because they were the quiet type, more likely raised better aswell, they just rolled with the punches.
But you know what....looking back.....they are the more normal kids,the smart kids, the lucky kids, the ones who as i now scroll through facebook.....have families. While the bullies are either dead or lonely drunks and so on. Your dead right....violence almost never amounts to anything good. Whether your a kid or a grown up...whatever your situation now, imagine going to prison for a one hit punch fatality, and dealing with that!

imagine!! I live the possibility every day, i've got off 2 assault charges due to this fn $#¥^$# of an illness
i hate me and life!!!

[ford man xf]

This is a good read:

Think yourself well

Cognitive behavioural therapy has been called a miracle cure for everything from fear of public speaking to depression. Liz Porter reports.

Jillian Cowan regularly assigns her clients eccentric little tasks. One client had an anxiety that was so crippling that she had difficulty asking a shop assistant for help, and would stay home rather than speak up in a work meeting. Cowan asked her to go to the supermarket with odd socks on, and to ask a stranger the time when she was wearing a watch on her own wrist.

Later on in her therapy, the woman was ready for a more advanced exercise in inviting lowlevel disapproval. That time the therapist asked her to go down to her local park, put a banana on the end of a leash, and take it for a walk.

These "shame-attacking" or "risk-taking" exercises are "behavioural" techniques that are part of the way Cowan practises cognitive behaviour therapy. An increasingly popular treatment widely used by psychologists and psychiatrists in both public hospitals and private practice, cognitive behaviour therapy (or CBT) is based on the idea that feelings of anxiety or depression can be caused by negative or distorted thoughts about ourselves and the world. Anxious people believe they are in more danger than they actually are. Depressed people tend to have highly negative views of their own circumstances. Identify and change those thoughts, the theory goes, and you can change the way you feel and act.

Cognitive behaviour therapy is used to treat depression, anxiety, bulimia, obsessive compulsive disorder, anger management, post-traumatic stress, sexual dysfunction, problem gambling and even psychotic disorders, where it is used to help sufferers cope with their delusions. Its fans like it because it is a relatively "quick" therapy, with the average client needing between 10 and 20 sessions.

According to Professor Bruce Singh, head of Melbourne University's Department of Psychiatry, CBT is a treatment initially used by psychologists but now increasingly favoured by psychiatrists.

"You can see what it's trying to do. It is shorter, more focused and deals with the actual problem, as opposed to psychotherapy which is often about more complex relationships with things in the past."

Dr Andrew Lewis, a psychoanalyst and lecturer in psychotherapy at the school of behavioural and social sciences at Ballarat University, describes CBT as a very "handbook"-based treatment. "It is easy to train people in it and it has efficacy.

But there is debate about whether it deals with the whole personality or the person in their whole environment. It can be limited in its understanding and has limitations in more complex sorts of cases."


Psychiatrist Dr George Halasz , an honorary senior lecturer in the Department of Psychological Medicine at Monash Medical Centre, slams CBT as a "quick-fix" treatment for an era that worships the bottom line.

"CBT synchronises exactly with a culture that doesn't want to look at complexity, depth or the developmental dimensions of human suffering.

Most treatments take under three months; it suits health policy makers who want to get something done statistically."

CBT was developed in the 1960s by University of Pennsylvania psychiatrist Dr Aaron Beck, who was influenced by the 1950s work of New York-based psychologist Dr Albert Ellis, a former psychoanalyst who concluded that his patients recovered more quickly when they started thinking "rationally" about themselves and their problems. CBT has been in use in Australia for around 20 years, but has become particularly popular since the early '90s.

Jillian Cowan, a psychologist for 25 years, has been practising CBT for more than a decade, treating people with depression, sexual problems and anxiety, including phobias about heights or confined space triggered by trips across the West Gate Bridge or through the Burnley tunnel.

The first step in the therapy, she explains, is to identify the thought processes swirling beneath a client's unhappiness.

"We think a thousand things at once, and while people recognise the emotions (behind their anxiety) and the gut-wrenching feeling in their tummy, catching the actual thoughts can be quite tricky."

Eventually the psychologist uncovers a whole chain of negatives that might begin with "People are looking at me, they're thinking I'm fat, I don't articulate my ideas well, I'm not intelligent" and conclude with "They don't approve of me", "I'm worthless if I don't have their approval" or "I'm worthless if I make a mistake in public".

The odd-sock wearing and the banana-walking, she explains, are a "safe" way of getting clients to test their thinking against reality. Walking a banana in the park might earn the client some odd, disapproving looks. But there will be no consequences to her life.

At 6pm the day's last client, a trainee concert pianist, is due to arrive for a session in Cowan's velvet-curtained Camberwell consulting room, furnished entirely in soothing shades of green. In her mid-20s, the pianist has been playing music since the age of three, and performing in front of an audience since she was a child. Now she is tormented by a whole range of anxieties, including a fear of performance and acute self-consciousness about her weight.

Tonight is the young woman's sixth session, but she has already made progress in her battle with her belief that people are looking at her and not liking what they see.

Initially she would arrive for treatment hiding her body under vast loose garments. Today she's wearing a T-shirt. Recently she dropped some change on the tram - and picked it up. "I usually don't," she says. "I always fumble around and can't do things gracefully, and there's blubber hanging out... But then I thought �I'll never see these people again' and I did it."

The conversation turns to her upcoming examination, which will involve playing in front of a panel of assessors, and her concerns about getting nervous and forgetting the music (usually played from memory).

"Do you feel anxious, just thinking about it now?" the therapist asks.

"I've been having dreams about performing," the pianist replies. "It's usually a competition. In the dream, I can't play anything. Usually I'm naked as well."

Cowan gets her to rank the anxiety she is now feeling on a scale of one to 10 (it's an eight), and asks her to imagine she is going in for her assessment now.

"What are your thoughts?" she asks.

"There's a lot of panic about memory," the young woman replies. "I'm sure if I asked to play with a score in front of me, they'd agree. But I'd feel I haven't done my job. Even though I've practised it plenty, I just can't remember the music."

"And if you don't know what you're playing?" The therapist's question hangs in the air.

"I'll fail," the young woman says.

"And if you fail, what will that mean?" "I can't play the piano?"

"And if you can't play the piano?"

The young woman looks pained. "There's a bigger sense of failure."

The therapist leans forward.

"So... I can't play, I'm a failure?" she suggests.

The young pianist looks stricken. "If I don't succeed with this, it's just too awful."

Cowan keeps up the questions, teasing out the exact implications of this last thought. "Too awful", the young pianist says, means she wouldn't want to face anybody. She would feel "like a fraud" , a "lesser person".

"If people think less of me, then I am a lesser person," she declares.

At this point the therapist appears to change tack, but it is soon apparent that she is just taking another path back to the core issue. "How about some of the other things?" she asks. "How have you been at walking down the street?"

"OK," the young woman concedes. "But if I'm going out to buy food I'm afraid people are going to be looking at what I'm buying and thinking I shouldn't be, because I'm too fat." "Again, is that �thinking less of me'?" Cowan asks.

"Thinking I'm a pig,' the pianist says. "So, if they think I'm a pig, that means I am a pig?" the therapist asks.

Cowan continues to challenge the assumptions about other people that underpin the young woman's anxiety. Why do other people's opinions matter to her? Who elected them judge and jury on her competence? The pianist does a quick run-through of all the people in her life whose disapproval she fears, from her mother down to the people on the tram.

"In the absence of evidence," the therapist says gently,"you just know people are thinking badly of you. If your music assessor thinks badly of you, that is a rational concern. So let's stick to insignificant people. Can you get your head around the idea that if someone doesn't like you, that's OK?"

The pianist nods, hesitantly. After a few more minutes convincing, she agrees that, in the next week, she will make her first attempt at intentionally risking the disapproval of a stranger.

She will ask a man walking his dog a question about its breed. First she will "anticipate the anxiety", summon all her usual thoughts about the man's low opinion of her, dispute or challenge them, (which should reduce her level of anxiety). And then do the task.

"What would you think to make it feel less bad?" Cowan asks.

"That it really doesn't matter," the pianist says.

"Do you believe that?" the therapist asks. "Yes," the young woman replies.

Jillian Cowan is confident that reducing the young woman's self-consciousness will ultimately help her fear of concert performance. "When you're highly anxious, your ability to encode and retrieve memories is affected. When her anxiety lessens, her recall will improve."

Source: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...027376765.html

[castellan]

Does anyone know why people suffer from depression or anxiety and ADHD.

Did all have it early from a kid or did it just come about at some time in your life.

My mum has had bad anxiety problems from about 60yo, I think it's got to do with being a little kid in WW2 and having the whole City blown up and walking over dead people everywhere and seeing body's floating down the river and all the rest.

Worry brings it all on and if she is sick.

We have had a hell of a time with her with it, when my dad was sick for a year in and out of Hospital before he died, she could not be left on her own.
She is just coming out of it in the last month and now will go talk to other people at the old peoples home, she would not talk to anyone or want to know them at all before.
One has to be carful on what you say to her, or she gets it all wrong and even then gets it all wrong, telling others and me just a load of half truth and the rest of some rubbish she has dreamed up.

[damo76]

Well i have suffered depression off and on most of my adult life.

I got my testosterone tested from the doctor and guess what, its very low.
Low testosterone can cause heaps of things like low self-esteem, being reserved, DEPRESSION, lack of confidence.
If you have these go get it tested.

Otherwise you have to change or fix whats making you depressed in life.

[Tui2]

Originally Posted by damo76

Well i have suffered depression off and on most of my adult life.

I got my testosterone tested from the doctor and guess what, its very low.
Low testosterone can cause heaps of things like low self-esteem, being reserved, DEPRESSION, lack of confidence.
If you have these go get it tested.

Otherwise you have to change or fix whats making you depressed in life.

no idea how or if, til the time comes and then who has the correct tools to do so.
i can council till the end of my time ,but to take heed and apply to myself doesn't stick, another common factor of BPD, i laugh now,, just sit back and laugh at the days actions and reactions.

[Tui2]

Originally Posted by castellan

Does anyone know why people suffer from depression or anxiety and ADHD.

Did all have it early from a kid or did it just come about at some time in your life.

My mum has had bad anxiety problems from about 60yo, I think it's got to do with being a little kid in WW2 and having the whole City blown up and walking over dead people everywhere and seeing body's floating down the river and all the rest.

Worry brings it all on and if she is sick.

We have had a hell of a time with her with it, when my dad was sick for a year in and out of Hospital before he died, she could not be left on her own.
She is just coming out of it in the last month and now will go talk to other people at the old peoples home, she would not talk to anyone or want to know them at all before.
One has to be carful on what you say to her, or she gets it all wrong and even then gets it all wrong, telling others and me just a load of half truth and the rest of some rubbish she has dreamed up.

yep rubbish and made up memories, thats what seems to be my childhood, all due to my MOTHER over protective insecure gambling alcoholic that let me sit on the roof of my house til nightfall staring in the direction of the RSL waiting for her to get home. No one liked coming near my house as she made sure that only she could influence/control my life and let me decide who my friends should be and etc. Making me lie from well.. i can remember anything before i was 5yo, so along time to write all the lies into a script for life. And here i am caring for the old.. f.... waiting for her death. Only the good die young they say.. polio..post polio syndrome, double mastectomy, lymphoma, abdominal aortic aneurysm, stroke, 3 heart attacks and she still insults, judges and demeans all who do for her. Good on ya mum, us 3 kids love you sooooo much, atleast my sisters stay away and avoid anymore.
you see there are too many things that factor into why some people just can't function, your mum probably (like most from that era) can't own up to of had been human in growing up n making mistakes, and forgiving themselves before others do, i bestow this upon my son to no end, to err is human to forgive is up to you and the circumstances, , to accept forgiveness is for you to err again.

[Grega]

mine would have started in my late single digits as well. anxiety anyway, the depression is part and parcel of that. the pinnacle for me (aside from being constantly bullied at school thereafter and never standing up for myself) would have been being tied up with electrical extension cable and having a shotgun pointed at my face by my so called 'friends' in primary school. lovely stuff.

[Grega]

Once knew where you are coming from because I was there for years ,these days I am mostly in the now not concerned about yesterday or tomorrow . The first time I ever achieved this state was listening to some recordings of Dr Robert Anthony the secret of deliberate creation. Still remember listening to my headphones and walking beside a river then realizing I was not thinking of the past or worrying about the future was an amazing feeling .

live in the present huh?

[nuthin' fancy]

The extremes don't define the argument, they are the outliers.

We need to recognise that the mental health system is broken. 20 years ago many of these people woild have resources to use that are no longer available.

I know that being on the receiving end of an agressive person is no fun but the fact is many times they are not completely to blame.

I've long thought that the amount spent on the prison system should be matched $ for $ with spending on the mental health system.

[superyob]

I must disagree with you Castellan. As a school teacher, I know first hand that most kids I teach are creditable human beings. I think the 'degenerates' you refer to have always been with us since Adam. You do have an interesting point though regarding 'nowadays kids have not learned how to fight at school' and their associated willingness to kick someone senseless or permanently damage them, however this is maybe a sign of expanding mental illness in society???

Keep in mind that terrible crimes are nothing new...

[castellan]

Originally Posted by superyob

I must disagree with you Castellan. As a school teacher, I know first hand that most kids I teach are creditable human beings. I think the 'degenerates' you refer to have always been with us since Adam. You do have an interesting point though regarding 'nowadays kids have not learned how to fight at school' and their associated willingness to kick someone senseless or permanently damage them, however this is maybe a sign of expanding mental illness in society???

Keep in mind that terrible crimes are nothing new...

I agree with that as well.

[xr8cam]

Very glad to see this topic here. Depression and Anxiety effects us all during our lives. My wife has been a Psychologist for most of her life and has dealt with just about everything you could imagine. If anybody is really concerned or worried about something, ask away for some good free advice.

[xr8cam]

Originally Posted by 427camo

Very glad to see this topic here. Depression and Anxiety effects us all during our lives. My wife has been a Psychologist for most of her life and has dealt with just about everything you could imagine. If anybody is really concerned or worried about something, ask away for some good free advice.

I never intended to upset or insult anybody here. My own experience with depression has had a massive effect on my life and others. All I am saying is feel free to ask about anything you want. Besides talking to others, correct information is what helped me a lot.

[Tui2]

Originally Posted by 427camo

I never intended to upset or insult anybody here. My own experience with depression has had a massive effect on my life and others. All I am saying is feel free to ask about anything you want. Besides talking to others, correct information is what helped me a lot.

hi, you say your wife has dealt with alot, and i bet she has, but has she dealt with a true (Borderline? Borderline Personality Disorder) because i truly suffer from one end of the scale to the other. even the main cause of my trauma has gone from my life, I'm afraid 50years is too long to come good from. I've tried all, latest is the Dialectical Behavioural Therapy but as per EVERYTHING getting there can be a major struggle when at rock bottom. Joel said in the penultimate post that it was his dog that stopped him from ending what he thought should be, and my little God sent angel (who ever what ever God is perceived by an individual) is my saviour in all aspects of my dailey struggles. please be more aware of mental illness' everyone as you may be taking to heart actions and words from someone close to you who simply does not mean to do so, and believe you me no one punishes us more than ourselves. and the correct response r action makes all the difference in the time it will take to forgive ourselves and be more aware of our actions and words next time, if we get a chance at a next time that is.

[xr8cam]

Thanks for your reply. yes, my wife has seen it all pretty much, and you may be suprised but borderlines are not uncommon, my mother has multiple borderline personality. My first post was purely meant as an awareness comment as I was pleasantly suprised that people were talking about the topic. My second comment was to clear up anybody's perception that somehow, I wasn't taking this seriously. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am 47yo and have battled with anxiety and depression for most of my life.I am in a good place at the moment, but constantly aware of 'triggers' and staying away from people and places that I don't do well around. I don't watch news or listen to talkback radio. My therapist (not my wife, I have my own) has taught me about keeping my conscious mind clear of negative images/information. I gave up all drugs, alcohol,cigarettes, caffeine and sugar. I take a few vitamins and fish oil/krill oil etc and walk daily 45 mins with my rescued dogs. Whilst this all sounds wonderful, I am only a second away from another visit from the blackdog...it is not easy to maintain mental health, but it is better than the alternative. Sincerely, Cameron.

[Mesa]

Growing problem with depression is there are too many internet 'experts' who claim to know all about it. Their perceived in-depth knowledge on the subject is usually loosely based on internet experience or what some 'mate' who claims to have it. Usually they're just talking out their ***.

A thread like this gives us the opportunity to support each other. Not to beat your chest with ill informed opinions.

And unfortunately those who live with or deal with us suffer as much. Be thankful you don't have it.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by superpursuit05

Growing problem with depression is there are too many internet 'experts' who claim to know all about it. Their perceived in-depth knowledge on the subject is usually loosely based on internet experience or what some 'mate' who claims to have it. Usually they're just talking out their ***.

A thread like this gives us the opportunity to support each other. Not to beat your chest with ill informed opinions.

And unfortunately those who live with or deal with us suffer as much. Be thankful you don't have it.

No one is claiming that at all.

[Trump]

Enough soapboxing and grandstanding, this thread is an outlet for those who are suffering from the black dog; a place they can just talk.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Enough soapboxing and grandstanding, this thread is an outlet for those who are suffering from the black dog; a place they can just talk.

What he said.....

If we can please get back to Personal problems and leave the 'my mates sister's brother' stories out of the thread I won't get cramp editing it.

[olfella]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

I'd suggest less love for editing in this thread!

If you know so much then how about a bit of consideration for those that the thread was set up for. They, (me included) do not want to know what your friends did or didnt do - they (me included) want first hand experiences not third hand crap from 'a sympathiser'. I tried to put that as nice as I could but if you want me to got to town and spell it out for then I ******* well will.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by olfella

If you know so much then how about a bit of consideration for those that the thread was set up for. They, (me included) do not want to know what your friends did or didnt do - they (me included) want first hand experiences not third hand crap from 'a sympathiser'. I tried to put that as nice as I could but if you want me to got to town and spell it out for then I ******* well will.

Mate totally all good, no probs bud! Water off a ducks back. But my offer still stands to talk to my wife as out of all that was said....that stuck. As allready explained she is an amazing girl, who USED to suffer from chronic depression but now is cured, for lack of better words. She is still anxious tho her whole family is rather extreme in that case so understandable where it comes from. We are best friends who do 'everything' together!

I'm surprised your above comment was edited and Still left by the mods, as it supports the opinion my comments and advice don't belong here..
^^^^^its not a fair comment at all......as first hand suffers are NOT the only "sufferers" and help and advice in all forms should be welcomed! IMHO

[MR REKLAW]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

I can still see the link and relevance of chatting about violence,schooling and other events.

I Cant,this thread is about Depression and /or Anxiety, not your's or any one else's personal soap box.

As for violence,it appears that some in this thread,advocate this sort of behaviour,
as a buy product of there life style and not a clinical diagnosed issue.

It also appears,that some of the comments in this thread,are for the won't of a better word,lacking in there knowledge of the issue,due to not listening to the subject's being discussed,during there schooling years.Uneducated dolts.

As for other events,in peoples lives,a lot of people have already,stated quite clearly,the events in there lives,caused by said thread title.

So in keeping with said thread title,I my self suffer from anxiety,but to combat this problem,I have a job which requires me,to overcome the issue and get on with my life and yes i take anti depressant,but I am not an overly aggressive person generally,but yes if you press the right buttons,i can snap and strike out like any body else,but because of the nature of my work,I usually step back and try and asses things as calmly as possible,other wise I would be out of work and in a lot worse place than I am now.

So to those who have,greater issues than I,keep up the good fight and ignore those who,have no apparent idea or sympathy for those who are suffering.

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