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09-06-2011, 06:21 PM | #181 | |||
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And the Falcon was the first to be LHD, in the US. Which the Australian Falcon was based on originally. |
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09-06-2011, 07:20 PM | #182 | |||
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Oh, and don't forget the highly successful SIDI! RTS and IRS were both rubbish in the Holdens, their supercharged models removed from the markt upon the introduction of the XR6T (to save embarrassment). Just because Holden were first, doesn't mean they were so good. A lot of their 'firsts' have been sub-par. Why give them credit for that?
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09-06-2011, 07:25 PM | #183 | |||
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09-06-2011, 07:26 PM | #184 | ||
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Holden's 'first' turbo motor was a goddamn Nissan engine anyway!! At least Ford's is home grown and developed in house, not some half arsed plug and play solution
(yes I know the RB30 is not a half arsed engine)
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09-06-2011, 07:31 PM | #185 | |||
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ie. Holden had coils sprung rear end first, with their Panhard Rod, then Ford introduced the better Watts Link. Holden had IRS first with the crappy semi trailling arm setup that chewed rear tyres, then Ford bought out the top spec double wishbone setup for AU, then multilink for BA in 2002. Holden didn't go multilink till 2006 in VE. Holden had 4 speed auto first that was the clunky non electronic 4 speed, Ford bought all the smoother full electronic BTR. And Holden still persist with the dodgy McPherson strut front end that is usually only used in small cars, Ford used the superior wishbone front end and I think now they use a virtual pivot front end that is a leap forward again. |
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09-06-2011, 07:33 PM | #186 | |||
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The only fact you have correct in that sentence is that Holden do sell more cars .... 3 times the number? The rest is very very very wrong, a very big no. You do not need to be number 1 or 2 or 3 just to turn a good profit and infact FORD AU is doing quite well. Better than Holden? Better go find out and you might be surprised .....
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10-06-2011, 09:26 AM | #187 | |||
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The Supercharged model was not a Holden, it was a HSV. It was embarrassed - yes - but not by the Falcon Turbo, by the standard falcon I6 ! |
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10-06-2011, 09:50 AM | #188 | |||
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10-06-2011, 09:53 AM | #189 | |||
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Oh yeah and that IRS pre-VE Commodore.... what a joke! The EF Falcon with the live axle was much better to drive. |
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10-06-2011, 10:07 AM | #190 | |||
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10-06-2011, 06:04 PM | #191 | |||
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Well er not to putt poop on your Ef but the ba ct stock ran a 15
Second pass. Which is quicker then the el ghia ran. I've contemplated a diesel engine conversion on the fairmont purely as an experiment in economy etc however the cost of engineering and purchase of the engine would be prohibitive
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10-06-2011, 09:30 PM | #193 | |||
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Try the LS1 forums. |
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10-06-2011, 09:53 PM | #194 | |||
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10-06-2011, 09:56 PM | #195 | |||
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If you could find a current model Range Rover at the wreckers with its engine still intact there is half a chance it would have that engine. And given the size of the RR it gets insanely good fuel economy. |
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10-06-2011, 09:59 PM | #196 | ||||
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TBH, I dont know why they bothered to offer a manual. |
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10-06-2011, 10:24 PM | #197 | ||
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The cousins ba was converted to manual 5 speed then 6 speed it's alright. He's done a lot of km on it with little to no maintenance on the car I have seen it with no air box on it being held flat screaming it's head off when cold and it
Revved up well lol. Maybe you had a dud?? I've had three e series now and driven countless ones. Hands down the bf2 barra is way more refined and powerful. Diesel options would be something 4 cyl 3 litre ranger esk or d max etc.
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10-06-2011, 10:27 PM | #198 | ||
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How the hell did this topic get on to a "Mines better than yours" ? Thought the topic was about a Diesel Falcon .........
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10-06-2011, 10:30 PM | #199 | |||
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10-06-2011, 10:34 PM | #200 | |||
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11-06-2011, 11:35 AM | #201 | |||
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but every thing else I said was correct, wasn't holdens profit in excess of $100m and fords was about $20m this year. I never said at any point that the holden's 1st's were better, because they wern't, all I said was, holden put a lot of new technology into their cars before falcon do and that was a few of them that i named. I don't believe I deserved your sarcastic comments
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13-06-2011, 03:04 PM | #202 | |||
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Barra is damn fine engine.
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13-06-2011, 03:10 PM | #203 | |||
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13-06-2011, 03:13 PM | #204 | |||
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13-06-2011, 03:25 PM | #205 | |||
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13-06-2011, 04:12 PM | #206 | |||
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I think you'll find that Holden losses are close to $500 million. And Ford can't crow either, restructuring and economic crisis hit them too. Let's just be happy that both manufacturers have profitability plans going forward, Holden needs to keep both shifts at Elizabeth running strongly and Cruze is perfect for that. Ford on the other hand is set up for one shift at Broadmeadows, their best chance is to reignite Territory buyers with the new SZ, 6-speed auto RWD I-6 and diesel versions are big news, combine that with EcoLPI engines coming for Falcon sedan and Ute and the Falcon should come back to life, Ecoboost will change the market's view of Falcon's economy. All in all, two completely different strategies with only some areas of over lap, I personally hope that both manufacturers do well but I will be more interested in Ford. |
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19-06-2011, 03:36 AM | #207 | |||
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19-06-2011, 11:28 AM | #209 | ||
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i like the specs quoted on the diesel at the start of this thread.
if they made a diesel falcon i would buy one , until then i will stick with the standard 6 |
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19-06-2011, 11:55 AM | #210 | |||
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On Topic. Yes the spec's of the Merc diesel look good but this is my experience with exactly the same engine in my S Class albeit in a slightly lower state of tune in 2007 :- Note this C Class diesel installation the subject of this thread is NOT the version fitted with the latest in exhaust urea injection system as fitted to the latest S350CD1 diesels' so WILL be prone to exactly the same problems I experienced.
The purpose of posting this is that all is not quite what it seems with the latest diesels and in the seach for ever greater fuel efficiency sometimes major compromises are made. Replace a $5,000 DPF in your Merc and watch all your fuel savings and more besides turn to ash. Relative simplicity, efficient cost, reasonable economy, good torque, power, durability and dependability of Ford's inline six has much going for it in my opinion. Quote:
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