Covid 19 -

[hackney]

Originally Posted by mostly_broncos

When my buddy Trump was president he tried to shut the border with China and was called a racist. Now the noble non racist party does it and its just good sense. Funny how that works.

Funny how they want to shut the border with China but leave the border with Mexico wide open .

My ‘buddy’ Trump?

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

New uni intake is in Feb right?

Bingo. Plus I expect - purely coincidentally, of course - that all the urban consolidation projects stalled around me will re-activate at a similar time, and within the final FY quarter our recession will be declared over.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT week ending December 30th 2022.


A lower 55,467 new cases for Australia and 112 deaths this week but WA, QLD and the ACT haven’t reported so the CMR is still 0.153% (-).
NZ reported 31,970 cases and 78 deaths for a CMR of 0.168% (é).
The UK hasn’t reported this week for a CMR of 0.824 (-).
A lower 306,149 new cases in the USA this week and lower 2,052 deaths sees CMR at 1.091 (ê).

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 664M;Asia passes 206M cases;
North America passes 121M cases;
Japan passes 29M cases;

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and none drop below.

Global case numbers are down again to 3,594,231 this week compared to the 3,885,404 last week and the number of deaths decreased slightly from an unamended 11,360 last week to 11,349 this week.

[Citroënbender]

We’ve jumped on the pre-China-departure testing bandwagon.

From Aunty:

Australian government announces COVID-19 testing requirements for travellers from China

[T3rminator]

Don't trust their numbers or their process, but trust their PCR?

Rapid test on arrival would have made more sense. Isolation was down to 5 days before it was removed wasn't it? 5 days in the shoe at Mickleham wouldn't be too bad.

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

To be fair what's the ****en point? It's already rampant here, high vaccination rates, they are not going to spread it more

Feds already announced they ain't paying for PCR unless referred and they will split costs 50/50 with the states if they want to keep doing it.

New uni intake is in Feb right?

Have noticed in my circle that the more "boosted" that one becomes, the more hysterical they are at the mention of anything Covid. Is that a correlation or causation? :P

Putting up restrictions on a single country is pretty pointless unless every country in the world, that is allowed to fly in, does the same. Not going to happen, nothing learnt from Delta. There might however be some value in testing, it can pick up new variants, if we don't trust their testing.

Ironically, heard a "doctor" on ABC radio say that any new variant is unlikely to cause "problems", due to the relatively low vax rate in the population.

[FairmontGS]

How deadly will China’s covid surge get?

Airfinity, a company based in the United Kingdom that analyzes data in the life sciences for its clients, has projected 1.7 million deaths by April.

“That’s 1.7 million within the space of 4 months,” said Louise Blair, who heads the company’s epidemiology team, emphasizing the “very steep growth” of cases. The company’s modeling relies heavily on the example of Hong Kong, which had a rapid explosion of illness and death in early 2022 when the omicron variant arrived. Hong Kong, which had low vaccination rates, had maintained a zero-covid policy that mirrored that of the mainland but was unable to contain omicron’s spread.

The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington has modeled the outbreak and forecasts 300,000 deaths by April 1, and 1.25 million by the end of the year — or as many as 1.6 million if there are no more mandates and restrictions, said institute epidemiologist Ali Mokdad.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/scien...rus-evolution/

[HIPO]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

To be fair what's the ****en point? It's already rampant here, high vaccination rates, they are not going to spread it more

Feds already announced they ain't paying for PCR unless referred and they will split costs 50/50 with the states if they want to keep doing it.

New uni intake is in Feb right?

PCR is a bad joke anyway.... not covid specific & the ones being used were set at too higher cycles, which makes them way overly sensitive..... well thats according to the guy that invented it ....

[russellw]

2021 v 2022

In 2021, there were 204.875M cases reported globally and 3.506M deaths for a CMR of 1.7117% on a non-adjusted basis. The adjusted figures are 206.579M cases and 3.515M deaths but for this purpose we’ll use the unadjusted figures.

In 2022, the year has seen 374.160M cases (a 55.21% increase) and only 1.237M deaths for a CMR of 0.3308% - or roughly an 81% reduction in the global CMR. The difference in those CMR numbers resulted in 5,128,682 people not dying compared to the CMR in 2021, largely due to the vaccination programs along with better treatment protocols.

In our little microcosm, the numbers are a lot better despite the massive increase in case numbers.

2021 saw 371,259 cases and 1,323 deaths for a CMR of 0.356%. In 2022, we had 10.8M (29.2x more) cases and 14,819 deaths (11.2x more) for an improved CMR of 0.137% - that’s a 62% improvement in the CMR and 38k more people who would have died if the CMR had remained at 2021 levels.

Whole of pandemic there have been almost 665M cases and 7M deaths globally for an overall CMR of 1.007% while Australia has recorded 11.22M cases and 17,052 deaths - a CMR of 0.152%.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by HIPO

PCR is a bad joke anyway.... not covid specific & the ones being used were set at too higher cycles, which makes them way overly sensitive..... well thats according to the guy that invented it ....

The guy that invented it?

Do you mean Noble prize winning Biochemist Kary Mullis?

How could he know anything about the genetic sequence of SARS-CoV-2 that was first published in January 2020?

Didn't Noble prize winning Biochemist Kary Mullis die in August 2019?

Were some people mistakenly attributing a quote about HIV Aids, for reasons unknown....?

I have so many questions HIPO?

[arm79]

Originally Posted by HIPO

PCR is a bad joke anyway.... not covid specific & the ones being used were set at too higher cycles, which makes them way overly sensitive..... well thats according to the guy that invented it ....

The only bad joke here is everything you just wrote and all the crap that you've based your opinion on.

The guy who invented the PCR test is dead. He died months before we'd ever heard about covid spreading in the open.

All of that crap you read is based on cut and paste and mish mash of discussions he had about PCR testing and HIV in the origins of the test being created decades ago.

The poor widow of the inventor is incensed his life's work and discussions from completely unrelated topics are being abused and co-oped.to spread this BS.

The PCR test is the basis of every DNA based comparison done for decades now. Paternity, criminality, forensics. To say the PCR test is crap is to say everything is has been used for in the last few decades is a false and inaccurate result.

If you still firmly believe he wrote that opinion, I have a bridge and some ice to sell you.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Were some people mistakenly attributing a quote about HIV Aids, for reasons unknown....?

It wasn't a mistake. Certain groups of people actively cut and paste sections of discussions and footage between him and other scientists decades ago discussing the PCR test and HIV.

They knowingly and actively did this to spread a completely fake narrative.

[HIPO]

Originally Posted by HIPO

PCR is a bad joke anyway.... not covid specific & the ones being used were set at too higher cycles, which makes them way overly sensitive..... well thats according to the guy that invented it ....

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[T3rminator]

I think the PCR thing was noted very early on, even by the "experts". PCRs are hyper sensitive, and could produce false positives, but perhaps more importantly, less false negatives.

Meanwhile, looks like we have our first home grown variant out of GSS, dubbed "extra bad boy from down under" BR.2.1.

Quick, shut the borders!

[arm79]

Originally Posted by HIPO

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Anything you say will be nullified by this:

well thats according to the guy that invented it ....

Because everything you write prior to this line is rendered meaningless. You're trying to render fact to your statement by using a person who was long dead before Covid was ever heard of and therefore could not have said that.

The PCR test is not covid specific, its nothing specific. It's a testing process that amplifies specific parts of the DNA to allow these parts to be studied and compared.

The process is essentially the equivalent of taking an A4 photo of something and enlarging it to A3 to see more detail and things that are lost in the smaller photo. But the "something" is unimportant.

[mostly_broncos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoA2mEb7daE&t=170s

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by mostly_broncos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoA2mEb7daE&t=170s

So, a 10min video on buying his 'sponsors' book?

[hackney]

Originally Posted by mostly_broncos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoA2mEb7daE&t=170s

What a load of garbage!

[russellw]

Australia / New Zealand
Please note that as of the 16th September the numbers are now reported weekly and all the charts have been changed to that period of time.

NSW Predictive Trend



VIC Predictive Trend



Here is the predictive trend graph for four States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st, 2021 so that’s more than a full year of data now. Note that the last week of December has not been reported for Queensland.




NSW had 11,097 more cases than Victoria last week;
Victoria recorded 4,219 less cases than the previous week;
NSW recorded 7,872 less;
Queensland still hasn’t reported last week so we can’t compare;
WA recorded 1,716 less;
SA recorded 2,717 less; and
New Zealand recorded 9,230 less.

The week totalled 58,234 cases, an 11.7% decrease on last week and it would have been more if the Queensland numbers for the week ended 30/12 were available.

.. trends over the last 3 months:

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT week ending January 6th 2023.


58,234 new cases for Australia and 252 deaths this week but some of that is carried over from last week and the CMR is 0.154% (é).
NZ reported 22,740 cases and 55 deaths for a CMR of 0.169% (é).
The UK hasn’t reported this week for a CMR of 0.824 (-).
A much higher 566,060 new cases in the USA this week and higher 3,032 deaths sees CMR at 1.088 (ê).

Other notable points:Global cases pass 667M;
Global deaths pass 6.7M, the last 50k in 28 days;
Europe passes 243M cases;Asia passes 208M cases;
South America passes 67M cases;
USA passes 103M cases;
Japan passes 30M cases;
South Korea passes 29M cases;
Taiwan passes 9M cases

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and Slovenia drops below.

Global case numbers are down again to 3,044,349 this week compared to the 3,594,231 last week and the number of deaths decreased slightly from an unamended 11,349 last week to 11,062 this week.

[ute83]

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...w-20221231.pdf

Looks like nsw hospitals are full of the vaccinated.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by ute83

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...w-20221231.pdf

Looks like nsw hospitals are full of the vaccinated because nearly everyone in NSW is now vaccinated.

Completed that for you. You're welcome

[ute83]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Completed that for you. You're welcome

Really that's what you got from all that info?

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Completed that for you. You're welcome

Well, the vaccination process worked well for them didn't it, wonder if they would have the same outcome if they were not vaccinated?, we will never know.

This whole Covid thing is still in its infancy really, with all the figures that are being bandied around and all the speculation there is no real proof that having the vaccine or not having it makes a difference, they say that it does, but they say a lot of things that seem to change as time goes on, they have really relaxed somewhat from the first 6 months of Covid that's for sure, don't have to isolate but you do have to wear a mask, wife has it at the moment for the second time but has no symptoms again apart from a throat tickle (not vaccinated), it seems its more a case by case thing than it is across the board that's for sure.

[ute83]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Completed that for you. You're welcome

Are you saying that it's a pandemic of the vaccinated now?

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by ute83

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...w-20221231.pdf

Looks like nsw hospitals are full of the vaccinated.

Looking at the odds of vaccinated person is better than ones who are not vaccinated to make a speedy recovery.
No one ever said a vaccinated person will not get covid; just increases your chances of recovery and survival.

[T3rminator]

Whats the definition of "vaccinated" these days? 1 jab, 2 jab, 3 jab, 4 jab, 5+ jabs?

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Looking at the odds of vaccinated person is better than ones who are not vaccinated to make a speedy recovery.
No one ever said a vaccinated person will not get covid; just increases your chances of recovery and survival.

LOL, so they say, it seems that this Covid affects different people in different ways.

Me= not vaccinated had Covid, to me no worse than a flu, over it in 5 days.
Wife= not vaccinated only minor symptoms the first time, this time just a throat tickle, just went on as normal.
Mother in law= not vaccinated, only had a headache and was fine.
Son= 1st vaccination only, same as the wife no problems at all.
Neighbour= fully vaccinated, to him it was the end of the world, 2 weeks out of action and a slow recovery.
Neighbours Wife= fully vaccinated, mild symptoms was fine after the first 2 days.
workmate=1st vaccination, had adverse reaction to the injection took 3 weeks to recover from that, then copped Covid 3 months later and also said it was no worse than a flu.

I am yet to hear from anyone in my circle of friends who know of anyone to die with it or from it yet, so I dont think its a one solution suits all and I would definitely not say that the vaccinated or the unvaccinated are any better off than each other and how can you prove that either is, as each person reacts differently to Covid and the vaccination.

Sure you will have doctors and experts with their opinions, but we all know about opinions, then there is the real facts.

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by ute83

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...w-20221231.pdf

Looks like nsw hospitals are full of the vaccinated.

Am I reading this right? Only 6 people admitted had received no shots and ALL of them died?... That is not a good ratio...

[ute83]

Originally Posted by Metdevil

Am I reading this right? Only 6 people admitted had received no shots and ALL of them died?... That is not a good ratio...

Maybe you need to learn to read. Zero hospital admissions and zero ICU admissions. Make of the info what you will. No skin off my nose.

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by ute83

Maybe you need to learn to read. Zero hospital admissions and zero ICU admissions. Make of the info what you will. No skin off my nose.

And yet six deaths? So these guys refused the advice of medical professionals right to the end? At least they're consistent...