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More difficult for sociable people I'm sure to keep a lid on it but I'm a firm believer that we have to take responsibility for out own health and well-being and that is one proactive step we can take. There are others and we'll be taking those as well.
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And its not a big ask!...its to keep their kids alive, surely Covid-19 has made all of us super aware of how infectious we are or can be without knowing it, it makes me super vigilant around folk with cancer or being treated with chemo, its a no brainer really, sure, kill your own family but don't kill mine because you "care"....... |
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But our big wig Doctors don't like them as they are not 100% accurate, or as good a a PCR that takes a day to come through. No contest on either of these facts. What they haven't thought through is are they more accurate than a temperature test? It will take a few more of these and then they will work it out.
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While NSW is celebrating attaining the 70% fully vaccinated 16+ target, we need to remember that is still only ~65.3% of the eligible 12+ age group and 55.5% of the total population.
The ACT is next with 68.2% (65.1 / 54.9) Tasmanian is next with 61.3% (58.5 / 50.4) Then the NT 53.97% (51.1 / 42.2) just ahead of Victoria with 53.77% (51.7 / 44.6) with Queensland and WA both on 49.91% although their other percentages differ.
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Got to look after yourself and your loved ones, we're all vaxxed and no matter that we can get covid or not from fellow vaxxed people I'd sooner reduce risk period. That is we won't be too comfortable at all unvaxxed visitors coming in. I'm afraid we won't be letting them in. Vaxxed friends or family will need to confirm showing their certificate on their mobiles but we know those who have got vaxxed in any case. Wife comes from a family of 8, 1 is anti and his wife, he has been informed already by the rest of the fam he's excluded from gatherings. Strange mad but how it is looking ahead, his choice. I suppose we might have to download the QR code for home use ? ![]() We just had confirmation tradies will be coming in for Insurance work that has been on hold due to covid. An email specifies usual covid practice's. Temp checks Masks to be worn Only 5 workers allowed, 2 inside max. Sanitise Have QR code available for registering.
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Agree completely. Beyond that, my view is that vaccination and other measures are also important for keeping my community as safe as possible, especially anyone who legitimately can’t be vaccinated.
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For me, it's not so much about who comes into my house, it's more so who I interact with, as I probably interact with more people at work than I do at home. Last night we had it confirmed that employees at our work location are considered authorised workers and therefore fall under the Vic government;s requirement to have their first dose before 15 Oct and second dose by 26 Nov. Anyone who does not have their appropriate doses by the required dates will not be allowed on site until doing so. By the way, the company has decided that anyone who is not vaccinated, or does not have an exception certificate, will need to take leave or be stood down without pay. So, under these arrangements I will only be working with folks who are vaccinated. My next big risk is most likely in retail environments, such as doing my shopping, etc. There's probably little I can do to control my exposure in those environments to those who are not vaccinated, sans getting my shopping delivered and following covidsafe behaviour (masks, sanitise, social distance, etc). My exposure at home to anyone not vaccinated is pretty low, as I generally don't have a lot of people over at my house anyway. Most of my social interactions would be with family, and, as far as I know, they are all vaccinated anyway. That would also apply to most of the friends that I interact with, either at their place or mine. Would I go to the length of actually asking them if they have been vaccinated? Probs not but perhaps I could find out their status by subtlety weeding the topic into a discussion. What would I do if I found out they weren't vaccinated? Not sure, tbh. I'd probs assess my level of exposure at the time (again, masks, sanitation, social distance) and then reevaluate once I got home. My daughter works in retail: Target and KFC. She will be attending school in Year 10 for whatever is left of the 2021 school year. For me, the risk she has being exposed to someone unvaccinated is a greater concern than my exposure. That's why I'm keen for her to get her second vaccination before she takes on to much work or returns to school.
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I also hate the “elected officials” line that pollies churn out. It doesn’t give them the ability to make the right decisions, just their own. They might have been ‘elected’ in their local area (being the only option on the ticket for their party’s voters as a result of backroom factional deals around preselection), but some of these clowns act like it was God’s will for them to be where they are. The ‘people’ didn’t vote for you, they voted for the representative their preferred party put up. |
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What I do find refreshing is that he is not (1 time only I know) hiding behind someone else. I am totally over politicians owning every positive statement. but everything unpopular is just "following the health advice". If you think it is right, own it, don't distance yourself.
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At my age, most of us have young children that won’t be vaccinated and are waking, talking germ factories care of daycare, what logic would there be saying no to an adult? Being we are headed for warmer weather here in Vic, the windows will be open or more likely we will all be sitting outside enjoying a BBQ, I’m looking forward to putting all this nonsense behind us. |
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Vaxxed people can have covid and pass it on the same as anyone not vaxxed. So what exactly are people thinking they are achieving here? If anything, the vaxxed person is more likely to not have symptoms. Studies have already shown the viral loads of both vaxxed and un-vaxxed is pretty much the same. If you have the shot, you have done what you can do. It's not going to stop you catching it if you end up in the company of someone who is covid positive. The misinformation that only being around vaxxed people means you won't get covid is just silly. It's pretty staggering that a lot of people still think this is true. |
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One of My Brothers is a Project manager for a Largish Construction Company in Sydney. The Site He's currently on has had issues with Blokes Showing Him Vaccination Certificates on Their Phones that have been Photoshopped. When asked to log in to either Mygov or the NSW health website & show Him their Electronic Copies. They suddenly can longer "speakadaenglish" & leave never to been seen again..
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A quick google search shows that the research is still being conducted and that we are still uncovering exactly how well vaccinations work, or don't work, in certain circumstances. I don't think there's a 'proper' (as you put it) way to respond. People's circumstances are different, and the way they manage that risk is right for them.
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Is there anyone on here who is "blindly thinking they won't catch covid from a vaxxed person"? I haven't seen anyone stating or alluding to that yet.
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Whilst I respect all opinions I don't see anyone here being blinded about the countless facts but overall make a respective decision what suits his/hers/their needs. Mostly its the ones against period who make the noise. I asked the wife what of any friends unvaxxed when coming over, her response was - we don't have stupid friends. I won't argue with her lol..... Fox, ofcourse those of us in the work force mix more there than home obviously, well those not WFH when the time comes. I'm in my own business as mentioned with up to 12 employees, thankfully we've been open for business all through lockdown. 1 left not vaxxed, he'll be gone soon if not, thats more to do with my bro biz partner due to having pulmonary disease symptoms, can't afford getting covid period. Same, daughter 16 working part time at maccas, will always have our concerns BUT she's been double vaxxed now so we feel safer for her but with kids interacting as they do from next week and ahead has me a bit oh o. Anyway I/we can't live in a bubble went just got to alert/careful and have some trust about it all as well. Anyway thanks for some pov's guys, I was just curious.
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No one is being forced to get jabbed. But the company has said that if there is work that is ok for non vaccinated to do they will get it , but if there is not any work available due to customers only wanting vaccinated people people will get stood down. |
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I'm not letting no unvaxxed person in my house and it has nothing to do with catching the virus, I got the ****s with their bull **** arguments as to why they don't want to be vaxxed unless they have a valid medical exemption.
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Not on here no. But i've heard people say it. You severely overestimate how easily people are blinded by what they watch on TV.
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Yes, you are right, there are people who are easily influenced by what they watch, not just on tv but via other sources, too. And what they read on the internet as well. But that happens on both sides of the ledger.
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So admirable of them - more like we've drawn the line in the sand for you ![]()
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[QUOTE=FTE217;6636947]I love these business approachs, oh were not forcing you but this is whats going down lol......
So admirable of them - more like we've drawn the line in the sand for you ![]() What choice does a business have? The Gov has laid down that each business is protected in being able to prevent unvaccinated people from coming onto their sites. So your business needs to understand that it must abide by other businesses site rules. Your business is required to provide a safe workplace for all workers. Your business is not allowed to discriminate against a worker. Meanwhile - the directions that Dan Andrews announced regarding Authorised workers needing to vaccinated after the 15th of October is still not an order by law. It is still listed as an "intention". We have 600 people working or engaged with us in Victoria, it is 8 days out and we still risk all of the requirements above because we do not have a concrete path. Don't push workers, then they wont be able to work on the 15th. Push workers with no rule in law, and we are being discriminatory. Who wants to run a business in this state? PS. My sixth sense tells me this whole 15th of October thing is a ruse to get more people on the vaccination path. I am sure his phone rang hot the night of that announcement. "You want a shortage of trucks, police and nurses? Have you seen the UK with no drivers for tankers?" We will know if with a day or two to go he throttles it back from mandatory to "strongly advised". In the meantime it will be mayhem for business.
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You have no idea what people are going through over here in the Eastern states and be glad you don't have our problems in your state otherwise you be changing your tune. Enough said. ![]() OBTW Martial Law does not exist for Australia; not in our constitution. Last edited by russellw; 08-10-2021 at 09:14 AM. Reason: Quote partially removed |
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Customers are now requesting only vaccinated staff and contractors from our company enter their homes... Fair enough, that is their right since I am entering their private property. Their rules. But... Let's look at the other side of this scenario. I have to go into people's homes everyday. Probably 20 homes a week. But I do not have the right to refuse going if the occupants or home owners are not vaccinated themselves... I still have to do the work, or lose my job. Now, I am the one running the risk, even though I take precautions like wearing a mask, gloves and being fully vaccinated, etc. And there are 1000's like me in my situation... Tradies, estimators and contractors going into private homes everyday. How is that fair? |
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I just find it amusing people in general I expect see this as a nice general fair approach..... C rap no, being the Fed/State Govs wont apply this as law per say (and hard getting it through in the first place) companies/small business owners have their backs to the wall in fear of being sued full stop. Its just wrong, its no choice again. Another issue at hand thrown to us in business/work force having to carry the load on top of everything else we've all had to cop last 2yrs. Just to run operations now to covid standards/requirements is another additional cost to bare. Tax's, wonder whats next to come there. A new covid tax % ???? Living costs are going to keep increasing, price increase's to providers/importers/ on top of local increase's is going to kick in more more the coming months. Aside from the relief we in Sydney/NSW are finally going to see some light from next week onwards followed by Melb fingers for you all in time its going to a challenging year ahead for many. Don't know who has checked on flights out of late but we had to consider taking a flight to USA late Nov. (we have every year for business pre covid) not that I was that keen with all their infections and other hurdles BUT our travel agent informed those early Qantas flights LA return is for 15people only in economy ! 15 ! not sure in Bus/1st class. Cost, FFS forget it. I got word from another aussie source (not sure too accurate) who has been trying to get back of late, been quoted near on $50k. Like all this who ha about opening up for travel (not that I care tbh) but at what costs and how long is this going to on for. A long time I feel.
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