VFACTS OCT 2022- Ford second overall

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by au2000

VIC stared this year, apparently the owner needs to photograph the speedo and send it to vic roads

Thanks. I wasn't aware they had actually started doing it yet.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by au2000

VIC stared this year, apparently the owner needs to photograph the speedo and send it to vic roads

Technically started last year. You had to post up the kms first up so they could check the "baseline" for the first reported kms.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

No diesel F150.
Pretty sure we're only supposed to get the V8

No, the diesel F150 was axed last year, Q3 sales were around 3,000 and Q4 was down to 1600.
You could tell that the 3.0 Powerstroke was on borrowed when the GM 3.0 I-6 aced it for fuel economy.

Bringing the V8 F150 here would be a mistake, too many people would want it…

[Bossxr8]

About 1500 of those Ranger sales were Raptors too. That's pretty amazing.

On it's own it came close to outselling the whole Triton range.

[BENT_8]

Im extremely impressed by the uptake of new Ranger, especially the Raptor.
I reckon I've seen more New Raptors in the past week than I've seen of the previous model since they we're released.

Just goes to show that give it the right engine and people will pay for it.

Good work Ford!!

[au2000]

Mate has just ordered his raptor, wait time till sep next year, also told by dealer raptor x is expected to be not a v6 model either…

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by au2000

Mate has just ordered his raptor, wait time till sep next year, also told by dealer raptor x is expected to be not a v6 model either…

I think that dealer is more likely to be reading gossip on the internet, it’s highly unlikely that Ford will be investing in any other ICE in the Raptor IMO.

But who knows, I may be wrong.

[jpd80]

Ford must be over the moon with new EB V6 Ranger Raptors as well as XLT/Sport/Wildtrak V6 diesels,
the impact on buyers - very strong approval…and the Everest, the V6 exactly what folks want….
I hope demand stays strong through 2023.

Looking at China, Ford simply can’t sell Mach E in volume - 5,000 in first quarter,
surely Australia could double that…might require Ford to actually do something……

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by au2000

Mate has just ordered his raptor, wait time till sep next year, also told by dealer raptor x is expected to be not a v6 model either…

Dealers don't know jack until just before release. I wish people would just disregard what they say, cause it's always BS.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Dealers don't know jack until just before release. I wish people would just disregard what they say, cause it's always BS.

Thats the sort of misleading hype we can do without……
I know that they’re flat biscuit producing Ranger and Everest but hopefully they find a way
of fleshing out even more production and sales, god knows how, maybe some V6 single cab

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Thats the sort of misleading hype we can do without……
I know that they’re flat biscuit producing Ranger and Everest but hopefully they find a way
of fleshing out even more production and sales, god knows how, maybe some V6 single cab

There is more fleshing out to come.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Im extremely impressed by the uptake of new Ranger, especially the Raptor.
I reckon I've seen more New Raptors in the past week than I've seen of the previous model since they we're released.

Just goes to show that give it the right engine and people will pay for it.

Good work Ford!!

I actually think there would be enough sales to make a Ranger Platinum now that it has the power plant to compete that puts it class above.
I have a friend who bought the Ram Laramie for the Luxury features alone

How are Everest Platinum sales going?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

I actually think there would be enough sales to make a Ranger Platinum now that it has the power plant to compete that puts it class above.
I have a friend who bought the Ram Laramie for the Luxury features alone

How are Everest Platinum sales going?

Most Everest orders atm are Sport V6 and Platinum. The mix has got even richer with new Gen. It will probably settle a bit over time, but the more profitable models are increasing in % of total sales.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Most Everest orders atm are Sport V6 and Platinum. The mix has got even richer with new Gen. It will probably settle a bit over time, but the more profitable models are increasing in % of total sales.

You only have to se how many Land cruisers ranger rovers etc that are on the road and the Everest is cheap by comparison.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Most Everest orders atm are Sport V6 and Platinum. The mix has got even richer with new Gen. It will probably settle a bit over time, but the more profitable models are increasing in % of total sales.

Thanks for the intel on Everest sales mix, that’s truly amazing that sales are
heavily to V6 premium trims while also increasing YOY monthly sales.
Ford got this one right……we’ll, maybe. 3.0 EB option?

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

You only have to se how many Land cruisers ranger rovers etc that are on the road and the Everest is cheap by comparison.

They're a bit bigger, well, wider than the Everest. Second row seems to have more room in the 300 series and the Rangie as well (the old Prado still has more interval space). But yes, great value for money with the Everest when you consider all the tech and features.

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[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Thanks for the intel on Everest sales mix, that’s truly amazing that sales are
heavily to V6 premium trims while also increasing YOY monthly sales.
Ford got this one right……we’ll, maybe. 3.0 EB option?

I wonder how many are ordering the V6 blindly, as in not test driving one. I say that because the smoothness and refinement the V6 brings over the 4 cylinder would be convincing most after driving one.

On another note, once again, Aussies are opting for the "big" engine when given the choice.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Thanks for the intel on Everest sales mix, that’s truly amazing that sales are
heavily to V6 premium trims while also increasing YOY monthly sales.
Ford got this one right……we’ll, maybe. 3.0 EB option?

Unlikely. They will protect the Raptor with that engine. US Ranger might provide another option whenever they get around to launching it. I'm surprised they haven't yet, considering order books are supposed to open in July.

With PHEV it opens up another option. No idea what the spec is, but if it's 2.3 ecoboost plus an electric motor it would make pretty good power and use minimal fuel. No idea if it's petrol or diesel at this point, but i'm making the assumption it's petrol cause diesel hybrids aren't used much, and the petrol option makes sense for the usa, europe and australia. Would probably go into Bronco too you'd imagine. No point creating new hybrid package and using diesel which doesn't really suit many. But no idea at this point. Just making an assumption if it happens like the media have been saying.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I wonder how many are ordering the V6 blindly, as in not test driving one. I say that because the smoothness and refinement the V6 brings over the 4 cylinder would be convincing most after driving one.

On another note, once again, Aussies are opting for the "big" engine when given the choice.

Its almost like ol' Franco was onto something about Thailand Specials

[GCRXR6]

Apparently, the V6 and trannies are giving problems...apparently. A family member, who is a Tojo tragic, suggested it's true, as they are talking about in the mines. I suspect this is the usual mantra from non Fordies, just after the release of any new Ford, but I may be wrong.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Unlikely. They will protect the Raptor with that engine. US Ranger might provide another option whenever they get around to launching it. I'm surprised they haven't yet, considering order books are supposed to open in July.

I know someone who works at MAP, they have Bronco Orders up the whazooo, so many that when they launch NG Ranger, the Raptor and High trim will probably go first, competition for production line space…although parts shortages have been masking that this year.

With PHEV it opens up another option. No idea what the spec is, but if it's 2.3 ecoboost plus an electric motor it would make pretty good power and use minimal fuel. No idea if it's petrol or diesel at this point, but i'm making the assumption it's petrol cause diesel hybrids aren't used much, and the petrol option makes sense for the usa, europe and australia. Would probably go into Bronco too you'd imagine. No point creating new hybrid package and using diesel which doesn't really suit many. But no idea at this point. Just making an assumption if it happens like the media have been saying.

The rumour was that 2.3 PHEV Ranger/Bronco was not announced because NG 2.3 PHEV Mustang was supposed to go first but now that’s been canned, maybe the odds shorten on the T6s getting some love…….

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

About 1500 of those Ranger sales were Raptors too. That's pretty amazing.

On it's own it came close to outselling the whole Triton range.

What an outstanding achievement outselling a vehicle that hasn't had a performance upgrade since late 2015

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by GCRXR6

Apparently, the V6 and trannies are giving problems...apparently. A family member, who is a Tojo tragic, suggested it's true, as they are talking about in the mines. I suspect this is the usual mantra from non Fordies, just after the release of any new Ford, but I may be wrong.

Well if we remember the introduction of the 2.0 diesel and 10AT, there were issues with injectors and warped /leaking valve bodies in the transmissions so I guess some problem childs are par for the course. What was that saying about not buying a new model in the first 12 months.

For most of us, it’s just a storm in a teacup but, if you actually own a Ranger with a problem, it’s no laughing matter….

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

About 1500 of those Ranger sales were Raptors too. That's pretty amazing.

On it's own it came close to outselling the whole Triton range.

Ranger is doing well but it's a new model with a major power upgrade interestingly Isuzu, new model only outsold Triton by 300 into 3rd place where Nissan sold a 1000 less and Mazda,s new Isuzu based model similar

Goes to show there's still worth in being reliable and cost competitive

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Well if we remember the introduction of the 2.0 diesel and 10AT, there were issues with injectors and warped /leaking valve bodies in the transmissions so I guess some problem childs are par for the course. What was that saying about not buying a new model in the first 12 months.

For most of us, it’s just a storm in a teacup but, if you actually own a Ranger with a problem, it’s no laughing matter….

from memory that was a massive batch of bad injectors. shared with transits also, we had 40 vans at work go in for new ones.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by GCRXR6

Apparently, the V6 and trannies are giving problems...apparently. A family member, who is a Tojo tragic, suggested it's true, as they are talking about in the mines. I suspect this is the usual mantra from non Fordies, just after the release of any new Ford, but I may be wrong.

All i've heard from new owners on FB is positive, except for one blown turbo in a v6. Amazing how quickly that became gospel, and the haters run with it as evidence of low quality, but it's the only one i've heard of so far.

Originally Posted by jpd80

I know someone who works at MAP, they have Bronco Orders up the whazooo, so many that when they launch NG Ranger, the Raptor and High trim will probably go first, competition for production line space…although parts shortages have been masking that this year.

They have significantly cut back on Ranger production lately to get more Bronco's out. Taking the chance while Ranger is close to being replaced. It will switch back the other way when the new Ranger is released, and Bronco numbers will drop back down. But the order books for Bronco are off the charts. They simply cannot build even close to enough to satisfy demand.

Originally Posted by PooDog

Ranger is doing well but it's a new model with a major power upgrade interestingly Isuzu, new model only outsold Triton by 300 into 3rd place where Nissan sold a 1000 less and Mazda,s new Isuzu based model similar

Goes to show there's still worth in being reliable and cost competitive

Not really. The D-Max/Triton/Navara/BT-50 are being significantly outsold by Ranger and Hilux, by quite a large factor. While the big 2 are selling 5-6000 a month, with significant waiting lists, the others are scrapping it out in the 500-2000 sales area.

D-Max isn't cost competitive anyway, they moved the price up significantly with the new one, so pricing is up there with Ranger/Hilux. It's not the cheapy at the bottom of the price scale anymore. Reliability has taken a bit of a hit with the new model as well from what i've heard. But that could just be hearsay. New models tend to be less reliable though.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They have significantly cut back on Ranger production lately to get more Bronco's out. Taking the chance while Ranger is close to being replaced. It will switch back the other way when the new Ranger is released, and Bronco numbers will drop back down. But the order books for Bronco are off the charts. They simply cannot build even close to enough to satisfy demand.

As of 1 November, Ford USA inventory was 9,000 Ranger and 14,000 Bronco but Ford still has a crap ton of Bronco orders, so the only Rangers they will be building in the new year will be high series V6 2.7 and RR 3.0, maybe some 2.3.

How’s this for response, 86,000 orders for Maverick, so serious that Ford even contemplated moving Bronco Sport to Louisville with Escape to give Hermosillo over completely to Maverick product…..the only thing stopping that was constrained by parts supply - how Ford is wishing it could build to the max…

We need to get Maverick built in our corner of the world, that will allow Ford to make Ranger a V6 only product for our market.

[ozrunner]

Had a great trip and the ute was faultless as usual.

Originally Posted by kypez

Can't link. It's a locked page. I'll see if I can dig up some screen shots but the threads get deleted on that forum.

A link to the actual EV forum will suffice.

Ok, Mr Chow, ....

Care to explain ?

The comparison against Everest was calling out that besides the tax incentive Ranger, Ford's next best selling is selling less than the Model Y which were both released at the same time.

Whatever floats your boat. But comparing an EV against an ICE 4WD when both have a completely different customer base and also just because they were released at the same time is totally flawed reasoning.

And great, you're going 7500 kms. What's your point?

Huh are you for real. It had zero point being a preamble for a proposed trip but the next line did but it obviously went over your head.
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I'd have to say the amount of Ram's doing the across Oz trip and in both directions was amazing and their numbers came very close to exceeding all model Landcruisers. The 3 late model F series I saw were totally outshone by Ram numbers.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

All i've heard from new owners on FB is positive, except for one blown turbo in a v6. Amazing how quickly that became gospel, and the haters run with it as evidence of low quality, but it's the only one i've heard of so far.



They have significantly cut back on Ranger production lately to get more Bronco's out. Taking the chance while Ranger is close to being replaced. It will switch back the other way when the new Ranger is released, and Bronco numbers will drop back down. But the order books for Bronco are off the charts. They simply cannot build even close to enough to satisfy demand.



Not really. The D-Max/Triton/Navara/BT-50 are being significantly outsold by Ranger and Hilux, by quite a large factor. While the big 2 are selling 5-6000 a month, with significant waiting lists, the others are scrapping it out in the 500-2000 sales area.

D-Max isn't cost competitive anyway, they moved the price up significantly with the new one, so pricing is up there with Ranger/Hilux. It's not the cheapy at the bottom of the price scale anymore. Reliability has taken a bit of a hit with the new model as well from what i've heard. But that could just be hearsay. New models tend to be less reliable though.

Not really, the top two both have new models with updated drivetrains .,.....I wonder how well a 2015 Ranger would sell amongst this bunch ? Nissan is similar to Triton hasn't had an upgrade for a while .....partly agree about D Max disappointing sales too expensive.....but D-Max has never been a cheap ute , atleast not over this side even there run out old model deals were not very inspiring?

[Franco Cozzo]

Thought this was interesting, new Peugeot 308 has just been released and its about $15K before ORCs more than the outgoing model as they're now targeting the 'premium' market even though its only got a 1.2L engine with 96KW/230NM.

Old model topped out at $35K + ORCs and sold SFA

New model tops out at $50K + ORCs

Not sure their strategy here, you'd have to have rocks in your head to buy a Peugeot 308 compared to the i30N which is in the same price bracket, but then again now there's less competition in the small hatch market.

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...review-138510/

Look at this absolute joke