Go Auto - Ford blows XR8 - Page 4

banarcus · 11-04-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CDAA

Ford have always been criticised that their XR8, their star (and now only) V8 model was also not quite as fast or well balanced as the XR6 and now XR6T. In my humble opinion releasing a N/A XR8 in coyote guise would only continue that claim, although the gap would be much closer. It wouldn’t quite be like coming to a gun fight with a knife, but it’s less than ideal all the same. By mildly supercharging the XR8 this will finally provide this loved model with the recognition that many an enthusiasts have longer for. It will be as good, is not better in terms of performance than any other Falcon model in Ford’s line up. When you have simply outstanding models like the XR6T and the G6ET in the line up, bringing a N/A 5.0, as quick as it is in a Mustang, will in my opinion remain in their shadow. I’m personally delighted about it being supercharged and I hope they offer it with some GS-like options as well.

Agreed 100%. It would be BA Falcon all over again.

jpd80 · 11-04-2010, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CDAA

Ford have always been criticised that their XR8, their star (and now only) V8 model was also not quite as fast or well balanced as the XR6 and now XR6T. In my humble opinion releasing a N/A XR8 in coyote guise would only continue that claim, although the gap would be much closer. It wouldn’t quite be like coming to a gun fight with a knife, but it’s less than ideal all the same. By mildly supercharging the XR8 this will finally provide this loved model with the recognition that many an enthusiasts have longer for. It will be as good, is not better in terms of performance than any other Falcon model in Ford’s line up. When you have simply outstanding models like the XR6T and the G6ET in the line up, bringing a N/A 5.0, as quick as it is in a Mustang, will in my opinion remain in their shadow. I’m personally delighted about it being supercharged and I hope they offer it with some GS-like options as well.

Part of that came from Ford chasing after the SS Commodore, remember when one moment Holden had an expensive SS Commodore aligned with XR8 (FPV/Ticford) and then Holden introduced the SV8 thing, called it the new SS and made the original SS the new SS-V, Ford were left with nowhere to go...

XR8 was then made to compete with an SS that was little more than a base car with V8 and body kit.
Perhaps this is where we need a base car with V8 and a "Sprint" body kit and give the XR8 back to FPV.

I would be happy with a low cost Falcon "Sprint" 5.0 V8 for let's say $42,000 to give the
SS Commodore something to think about and then give the XR8 over to the + $50,000 car market.

Nikked · 11-04-2010, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Perhaps this is where we need a base car with V8 and a "Sprint" body kit and give the XR8 back to FPV.

Um...it would make more sense if the XR8 remained as a the entry level car, then the XR8 "Sprint" be the high version.

jpd80 · 11-04-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Um...it would make more sense if the XR8 remained as a the entry level car, then the XR8 "Sprint" be the high version.

FPV have claimed XR8, GS and GT, they can't have every friggin' name.
You can't use the name XR8 on an entry level car, it destroys the prestige,
better to use "Sprint" a traditional US Falcon name - bit of heritage..

FPV8U · 11-04-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Um...it would make more sense if the XR8 remained as a the entry level car, then the XR8 "Sprint" be the high version.

Agreed, i have felt there has been a market for a GT Powered XR8 Sprint (GS Spec) Since the B-Series was launched and in a round about way thats what im slowly building.

Sam · 11-04-2010, 11:27 AM

XR8 Sprint

Either way i'm having me one of these babies when they are released, bloody exciting times for V8 ford fans

jpd80 · 11-04-2010, 11:31 AM

Holden have no where to go, all they can offer is a cheaper price...

(Maybe my idea of a low cost V8 car should be consigned to history..)

Nikked · 11-04-2010, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

FPV have claimed XR8, GS and GT, they can't have every friggin' name.
You can't use the name XR8 on an entry level car, it destroys the prestige,
better to use "Sprint" a traditional US Falcon name - bit of heritage..

You need to do your research!

4Vman · 11-04-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

FPV have claimed XR8, GS and GT, they can't have every friggin' name.
You can't use the name XR8 on an entry level car, it destroys the prestige,
better to use "Sprint" a traditional US Falcon name - bit of heritage..

Sprint might have US herritage but it has none here.
You'll probably find it falls into the "politically incorrect" (like typhoon) basket now too....

jpd80 · 11-04-2010, 01:04 PM

As I said above, maybe my idea of a low cost V8 car should be consigned to history..

Franco Cozzo · 11-04-2010, 01:11 PM

While we're having a sook about forced induction and only 315Kw, does anyone know the weight difference between an XR6T, the current XR8 and the Coyote XR8?

Personally, I reckon instead of increasing power, they should look into dropping weight from the Falcon.

FPV GTHO · 11-04-2010, 04:47 PM

You get alot more for your money chasing power than lower weight though.

Ghiadude · 11-04-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

While we're having a sook about forced induction and only 315Kw, does anyone know the weight difference between an XR6T, the current XR8 and the Coyote XR8?

Personally, I reckon instead of increasing power, they should look into dropping weight from the Falcon.

somebody mentioned a 50kg difference between s/c coyote and boss.
have some salt with that because its internet scuttlebut.

4Vman · 11-04-2010, 05:35 PM

Coyote weights the same as the IL6.....

Franco Cozzo · 11-04-2010, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

You get alot more for your money chasing power than lower weight though.

It'd handle a lot better though, rather than going fast up to the corner, then barrel rolling 300 times into the nearest small child.

jpd80 · 11-04-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghiadude

somebody mentioned a 50kg difference between s/c coyote and boss.
have some salt with that because its internet scuttlebut.

The 50Kg difference quoted is probably for the 430 lb NA Coyote Vs 575 lb 5.4 Iron block Boss.

The difference between a 5.4 Iron block (200 lbs) and alloy block
for the 5.4 (100 lbs) is around 100 lbs or about 45 Kg
That's before we talk about the Coyote's lower deck height,
short throw crank and lighter connecting rods.

Not sure about the weight of the blower..

HSE2 · 11-04-2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghiadude

somebody mentioned a 50kg difference between s/c coyote and boss.
have some salt with that because its internet scuttlebut.

Depending on who said it, it sounds like the difference between a current XR8 and the documentation recently revealed which lists tare at 1785.

That number could include 19inch rims and 355 front rotors.

HSE2 · 11-04-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chilliman

I'm glad that the XR8 name appears to be staying - regardless of badging

I am too and I suspect it might wear both but don't really care. It lives.

Falc'man · 11-04-2010, 07:10 PM

Ian, it was Jem who said it on the forum.

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Originally Posted by Nikked

You need to do your research!

He would be the last person I would say that to.

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Originally Posted by jpd80

As I said above, maybe my idea of a low cost V8 car should be consigned to history..

No, your idea is correct. The name you suggested probably isn't. As I said earlier, it could be the "XR50" which was recently registered by Ford.

jpd80 · 11-04-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

No, your idea is correct. The name you suggested probably isn't. As I said earlier, it could be the "XR50" which was recently registered by Ford.

Thanks Falc'man,
I was trying to think of a name distinctive enough to carry a low cost (maybe NA) V8,
something possibly shared with G8E because it really sticks in my craw that SV8 -> SS con job
Holden pulled a few years back,I think it's time Ford turned the tables on Holden...

XT50 sounds great, I really hope Ford does an awesome car fo it...

sxckevo · 11-04-2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

He would be the last person I would say that to.

Lol exactly what I was going to say before as well

phillyc · 11-04-2010, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Thanks Falc'man,
I was trying to think of a name distinctive enough to carry a low cost (maybe NA) V8, something possibly shared with G8E because it really sticks in my craw that SV8 -> SS con job Holden pulled a few years back,I think it's time Ford turned the tables on Holden...

XT50 sounds great, I really hope Ford does an awesome car fo it...

Yep. They released a SV8 which was basically an executive with a v8 option and at the same time deleted that option. It was a success and then the following model, the SV8 was 'deleted' but essentially 'replaced' by SS. The previous SS with options then became SS-V.

The manoevre was in part forced onto GMHolden by Ford because of the clear superiority of the I6T to any competing product of the time. ie they didn't have a SV6, SV6T, SS line-up. They had to create that middle model. Unfortunately, the bastards at GMH made the most of the opportunity. In doing so, gave a lesson to Ford that models and not options are better. Meanwhile the sheeple who buy GMH got sucked in. Damn it!

If the XR8 is to be S/C only to begin with and a N/A model follow, then one of them has to be called Sprint and I reckon it should be the blown option.

Falc'man · 12-04-2010, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

Yep. They released a SV8 which was basically an executive with a v8 option and at the same time deleted that option. It was a success and then the following model, the SV8 was 'deleted' but essentially 'replaced' by SS. The previous SS with options then became SS-V.

The manoevre was in part forced onto GMHolden by Ford because of the clear superiority of the I6T to any competing product of the time. ie they didn't have a SV6, SV6T, SS line-up. They had to create that middle model. Unfortunately, the bastards at GMH made the most of the opportunity. In doing so, gave a lesson to Ford that models and not options are better. Meanwhile the sheeple who buy GMH got sucked in. Damn it!

If the XR8 is to be S/C only to begin with and a N/A model follow, then one of them has to be called Sprint and I reckon it should be the blown option.

Well said, Phil.

Again, though, you will find the purists might suggest the Sprint name wouldn't be correct as it wouldn't have the same power as the GT. Although I don't mind it being called the Sprint, I think the 'standard' XR8 for once in a long time deserves all the fruit, and should be top dog in it's segment.

Chopped · 12-04-2010, 12:41 AM

I always considered the SV8 as a true muscle car by definition. And it is true that the XR6T helped create it. Both the best value performance sedans of the time.

The SS is about to be de-throned.

I can't wait to hear these coyotes on the street.

FPV GTHO · 12-04-2010, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

Yep. They released a SV8 which was basically an executive with a v8 option and at the same time deleted that option. It was a success and then the following model, the SV8 was 'deleted' but essentially 'replaced' by SS. The previous SS with options then became SS-V.

It was a bit more progressional than that. VY2 saw it with the full SS bodykit as opposed to the lip kitted Executive bumpers. VZ had the model lineup set with SV6 replacing S and more features added, then the final run of cars had the SSZ special edition which aclimatised buyers with what would soon be the new hero model.

Falc'man · 12-04-2010, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chopped

I always considered the SV8 as a true muscle car by definition. And it is true that the XR6T helped create it. Both the best value performance sedans of the time.

I think "sleeper" would be the more appropriate term for the SV8.

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Originally Posted by Chopped

I can't wait to hear these coyotes on the street.

There are already some vids out of the blown 5 litre in the Falcon.

jpd80 · 12-04-2010, 07:09 AM

But I do like how the XR6T pulled down the S/C SV6's pants at the traffic lights....
There's a few reasons why Holden did SV8, V8 executive was popular and S/C V6 wasn't good enough...

Shame that a V8 XT wasn't available/popular, If XR8 makes the jump to FPV,
a base model V8 might be enough to give Holden SS a real hard time...
there has to be a solution to infuriate Holden and give Ford buyers a treat...

Gobes32 · 12-04-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

But I do like how the XR6T pulled down the S/C SV6's pants at the traffic lights....
There's a few reasons why Holden did SV8, V8 executive was popular and S/C V6 wasn't good enough...

Shame that a V8 XT wasn't available/popular, If XR8 makes the jump to FPV,
a base model V8 might be enough to give Holden SS a real hard time...
there has to be a solution to infuriate Holden and give Ford buyers a treat...

I just thought about this, does Holden offer the omega as a V8? Does that make the SS the base model?

**Polyal** · 12-04-2010, 11:24 AM

Pretty sure I saw a V8 berlina wagon the other day (VE). Definately had quads.

Messenger85 · 12-04-2010, 11:27 AM

All Good news