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Well, as "tranquilized" said in a post above, they are coming.
They (Chinese) stock 95% of Kmart, Target, BigW, Harris Scarfe, etc here in Au. Now it's only the next natural step for them to take. They'll start off crappy with cars like they did with other stuff 20-30 years ago. So looking back, history will tell us that they will also have the lions share off the auto market in the next 20-30 years. Who will compete with them on price? I think Ford and Holden will become importers only who rebadge foreign made cars. Both are doing it more and more now anyway. How else will they survive?
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There are Standards here in Australia that will only allow cars that comply and these are very strict. These do comply with these standards .... they may not be everyones cup of tea but they do suit some and are an option for some small businesses who do not want to fork out double for a similar ute or something that might be 10 years old ..... but then that should be fairly obvious I would think
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Nothing on them from Europe that's for sure. If you buy one check the handbrake, and the seatbelts, and the reverse sensors...
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I've not posted here much though been a member for a while, never saw this thread before.
Sure seems to be alot of people feeding fear based info and speculation about, it's sad to see Aussies feeding such stigmatisim. Do you know how much of your Aussie made cars or products are really made up of Chinese manufactured components? I used to think I had a preference to Fords once upon a time, but I think out of all the cars I've owned Fords and Toyotas have given me the most headaches and have stung my wallet hardest. What makes a Aussie made car so much better in quality or finish? China out does the US now in car manufacturing and sales and makes us here look like a spec of dust with our sales. BTW those pics of that V240 aren't uptodate, I've done alot more to it since then lol. Flame away boys |
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Hence the higher price... you get what you pay for?... So all of a sudden the cheaper chinese labour cost means nothing if you're buying a cheaper polished ****.
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You would think so, or at least hope so, but the amount we spend on such things is a mere piddle compared to what the Chinese are spending. They have much, much greater number than we will ever cater for.
The other matter also remains that a great deal of Aussie designs are actually manufactured in China, along with some of the highest quality european brand names. China will provide whatever quality is asked of them, they can and do provide some world class leading quality and tech. The only reason they also make cheap crap is because it's asked of them by countries such as our own by demanding lower prices and higher wages. They have a better education system, heck companies like Great wall have their own uni's I belive. Once upon a time yes we used to get what we paid for, these days most companies rely on a trusted name to keep sales more so than a standard of quality. That said the last Aussie designed/made vehicle I had has bene one of the lowest quality vehicles I have owned. The fit and general finish was horrid even, I had so many problems I couldn't even bring myself to sell it to a individual and so I just sold it to a wholesaler. |
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I think the only thing you can rely on with Aussie designed/made vehicles is the high price due to us demanding higher wages etc. How and why do you think Australia has lost so much of it's labour to countries like China ? We have done it ourselves by constantly demanding less work, more wages and cheaper purchase prices.
I guess it's like the saying, be careful of what you ask for |
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Well, I'll just base my opinion on my experiences.
* When the F250 came over here, a couple of my American friends told me how good they were and how bullet proof the 7.3 powerstroke was. I believed them. * When Hyundai came over here we all laughed about how crap they were and how each should come with a lifetime subscription to prozac; until a mate from school of Korean background told me how they were new at cars and built industrial machinery. Then the newer bubble car model came out and they were a raging success. * I also recall my response to a colleague in 1998 when the AU was first out and he quipped "What an ugly piece of junk". I quickly told him of the AU's underlying strengths in the drivetrain, its interior comfort etc etc. He ended up buying a fairmont ghia later that year. Now what my chinese friends and a couple from Taiwan have been telling me about Chinese cars is that they are all cheap garbage. From designs that were conceived by stealing a key to the patent office and then running to the photo copier room, to the use of cheaper and lighter gauge materials in structural areas (check that little gem out); I don't need to own one to know just how bad they are going to be - especially when the people I know who have lived there and are in the know tell me how rubbish they are. Remember how much of a stink great walls of fire put up about only scoring two stars? That's because in China that's actually a good rating for a local car, and an obscure little market like Australia demanding better was going to force them to change it. Don't take my word for it though, ask some of your friends or colleagues from chinese descent what they think, I'm sure you'll be amazed by their answers.
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pretty good mate, we have one for work and seems to be pretty good for 20gs. what else do you expect??? has a 5yr warranty 100,000kms power everything, a/c and music. Comfortable drive and cheapish to run. for a work shitter why not
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Two winder motors and this was a car that didn't get driven hard and didn't normally tow anything either. It was comfy to sit in though yes lol. Oh and it had other issues too but not worth getting into but it had less than 100thou on the clock. Not a great vehicle for something costing between $50-$60k depending on options. As to the Chinese cars, are we talking about chinese built vehicles in general or Great Wall vehicles? In China the number 1 independant seller of SUV's and Pick up is Great Wall. I too know people living in China and they say they never see people breaking down or having issues with the Great Wall utes etc. Thes evehicles are sold all over the world, not just here in Australia and have had positive reports from most everywhere. As to the ANCAP testing and those issues, theres 2 sides to every story. Look into it and the events after it a bit more, the first tested vehicle was found to have had faults. GWM even changed suppliers of some of the parts and was very quick to address any issues as they even had some of their head techs present at the ANCAP testing. GWM also offered another vehicle free for testing and were refused. Do a little more research and you will find GWM have themselve built a state of the art crash test set up longer than ours and built to use the same european standards as we have adopted for ANCAP. Test results showed the vehicle may have recived upto maybe another star. Now this is by no means what we'd call a great safety rating still but it's equal to other commerical vehicles of it's kind and even better than some and as already stated better than alot of the vehicles on todays roads. heck even the AU only got 2 stars. And great wall being upset about ANCAP ratings lol, check out how upset Toyota when their new car being sold with safety as a selling point got the same rating as the X240 CUV. ANCAP testing is a rating, a guide only and is of limited value because they don't test a fair number of each vehicle to get a acceptable average. It's a safety guide and should be used as such, not relied upon as law or set in stone fact as alot of cars under-go advances and changes to improve some of the short fallings after testing. Do a little more research and you may find that the V240 looks like other vehicles you already know or may have heard of such as the VW magellan front end and a RA Rodeo chassis/body/inside. Then check the guage of the metals used in the RA for a example and then the V240, heck even just feel the fendors and see the difference in panels. You might be surprised. See this is the problem with alot of this information getting thrown about, it's fear based and not completely factual and what is is often from a different vehicle but used to make these sound bad. Even with the crash rating as we have many other vehicles with the same rating and worse but because they are from accepted known brands here they don't get much of a mention. I dislike fear mongering, sure these cars aren't perfect and they have their issues or faults and drawbacks. I own one so am aware of several points but they are no different than most cars and they all have their good and bad and not a car made yet doesn't have issues or a recall. Heck look at websites like TotallRecall if you want info on how great all the brand name vehicles we think are great quality, Toyota is king of recalls and look at how many over just the last 2 years they have had to recall and lets not forget Ford in the top 10 for largest recalls ever with over 12,ooo,ooo in 2008 alone Then look at some of the worlds harshest off-road rallies like the Dakar and Huanta which the GWM V240 and X240 have been in. in 2008 I believe the V240 (aka Wingle) actually was champion and won and even this year in the 2010 dakar the X240 got a very respectable 33rd. I think for the average punter like myself these vehicles should be ok one would hope if they can survive that kind of stuff let alone get a placing. Don't believe what I say or what anyone else says for that matter. Do your own research and base it on facts, not fear mongering. That said, folks don't buy one because of what I say or anyone else either. Do your own research and studies and make your own choices on information you find yourself. They aren't for everyone, they aren't perfect and I don't think China will dominate our vehicle markets. Last edited by Mitcon; 01-07-2010 at 10:41 AM. |
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I have test driven 4wd twin cab and thought it was a Fair and well appointed vehicle for the price.
Actually thinking of getting one and making my ute a weekend toy. Cheap to buy, and resale does not worry me. I will drive it until I make it a workshop hack. Then probably get another.
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bang for buck boys thats what it comes down too, drive around on the Gold Coast and thats what you see everywhere. V240 isn't half bad!!
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Are we allowed to share pics in this thread/forum ?
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It's like Chinese food, half hour after driving it I wanna go out and drive it again j/k
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the bullbar definantly helps it look good
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Therew ya go. A quick look at the pics above and you would think its another jap car (triton etc)
I reckon they are ok for the money. 5yr warranty. I definately can not dismiss them as an option.
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I'll use my 00 AU Ghia as a reference point and a similar aged el cheapo 4x4 ute thats not loved or popular like a Ssangyong to keep things even and fair. Right AU Fairmount Ghia around $50k purchase price at 4 years of age you could buy them for around $14-$16k Ssangyong Musso, new about $26k and retail at 4 years of age you could buy them at $12-$14k. Resale values differ for all vehicle though but end of the day yes a more expensive vehicle has a higher resale because it cost more in the first place. But trade in values are different again and often are poorer on unpopular vehicles. |
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The ones I used in times past in other 4by's I've owned were lent to me by other 4bys kind enough to offer help. But lengths of shade cloth work ok if used well as well and don;t cost bugger all, nothing like the max Trax but better than most other types you do pay good money for. |
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And before folks say or ask lol, no I don't work for or have anything to do with Great Wall other than owning one of them. I wanted a new touring vehicle and was no way I could afford to drop $100k of coin to do it. |
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Isnt the no. 1 seller of motor vehicles in China VW? I was talking to someone recently from China and they said most Chinese prefer other brands (compared to their own home grown brands - something to do with status and a lack of trust of parts manufactured locally) However I think the Hover is the no. 1 selling SUV in China
I havent driven one (they seem underpowered looking at the stats - feel free to enlighten me on that one though) The ANCAP test result is what it is and no doubt GWM are dissappointed by the result. Resale, well we will find out in the future. I would suggest they wouldnt hold up that well, however given the initial purchase price this will not concern some.
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VW, Toyota, Buick/SAIC and from memory locally made Daihatsu's were most prominent on the roads there. Fords were almost non-existent.
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So it seems the gap is closing rapidly, and as a result, foreign car manufacturers are pushing themselves to make higher quality cars, as has been suggested in an earlier post in regards to pushing locally made OZ cars for better quality.
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Have a look at Fiat in Italy, absolute pice of crap yet they still buy it. Why?c oz there patriotic. Australia builds a far better car in ford and holden and yet we still buy imported ****. People complain about bunnings etc full of chinese crap yet are the first ones to buy it. It doesnt stop with cars, this country would be so much better off if we supported our own products yet its easier to brush off the subject and say too bad its someone elses problem. Ozzi pride doesnt stop with sinking **** at the cricket and going home and telling everyone what a great proud ozzi u are.
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