Ford commits to V8 Future - Page 4

burnz · 15-09-2009, 10:12 PM

ha ha the most efficient motor is a diesel'
a single cam, 16 pushrods, 4 valve!
why spin 4 cam's when you can spin one.
same effect less loss.

**ebxr8240** · 15-09-2009, 10:13 PM

I just hope our next V8 isn't a converted truck engine...

Falc'man · 15-09-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ebxr8240

I just hope our next V8 isn't a converted truck engine...

Far from it.

It's lighter than the 4.6 it replaces in the stang, and will pack as much punch as the Jaguar's n/a 5 litre, but that's without direct injection.

In the U.S. it'll have 365hp/~515Nm for the F150. The Mustang's motor will have a few hardware changes (not just a different tune), 400hp/~490Nm.

What the locals at Ford decide to have for the *entry level* XR8 is somewhere between there, but driveability and tractability being the aim... Remember, the Boss 290 has 388hp.

And what FPV decide to have comes down to what size pulley they want to drive the blower with.

In 2011/12 there'll be something with even more power, for a special edition like the "Boss Mustang". Also n/a. Add another fifty hp. Minimum!

phillyc · 15-09-2009, 11:00 PM

I hope your not giving away too much Falc'man?!

Falc'man · 15-09-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

I hope your not giving away too much Falc'man?!

It's old news. Mentioned a few times over, on here and elsewhere.

HSE2 · 16-09-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

I hope your not giving away too much Falc'man?!

There are currently two schools of thought as to what form our new V8 will take.

It could be a direct crate import or it could be a locally assembled version based on same.

Either way for the sake of convenience each party is still referring to both options as “coyote”
Our version appears to have three states of tune not dissimilar to the original Boss have a higher state of tune that was rejected for production.

King Nothing · 15-09-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

What the locals at Ford decide to have for the *entry level* XR8 is somewhere between there, but driveability and tractability being the aim... Remember, the Boss 290 has 388hp.

...

In 2011/12 there'll be something with even more power, for a special edition like the "Boss Mustang". Also n/a. Add another fifty hp. Minimum!

Are you implying that there will be different specifications of XR8? Or just that the XR8 will continue to be the entry level V8, stepping into FPV beyond it? Special model FPV or Ford?

Falc'man · 15-09-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by King Nothing

Are you implying that there will be different specifications of XR8? Or just that the XR8 will continue to be the entry level V8, stepping into FPV beyond it? Special model FPV or Ford?

One spec for XR8. FPV, according to what's been put out there, will have a lot more thanks to f/i.

The 2011/2012 "Boss Mustang" (5L RR) comment was supposed to demonstrate that a) 400hp isn't the maximum in n/a, and b) they will release it.
Whether or not the locals will use it in 2012...

chevypower · 16-09-2009, 03:14 AM

With the Camaro having 425HP... I sure hope Ford is going to come to the party, and join the race!

Falc'man · 16-09-2009, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by King Nothing

Are you implying that there will be different specifications of XR8? Or just that the XR8 will continue to be the entry level V8, stepping into FPV beyond it? Special model FPV or Ford?

Sorry, I misunderstood where you were coming from; my post that which you quoted has where I said *entry level*, I was referring to the XR8's motor being the entry level V8. In simple terms I was trying to illustrate that the entry level Coyote will have at least that much power. Sorry for the confusion.

**ebxr8240** · 16-09-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

Far from it.

It's lighter than the 4.6 it replaces in the stang, and will pack as much punch as the Jaguar's n/a 5 litre, but that's without direct injection.

In the U.S. it'll have 365hp/~515Nm for the F150. The Mustang's motor will have a few hardware changes (not just a different tune), 400hp/~490Nm.

What the locals at Ford decide to have for the *entry level* XR8 is somewhere between there, but driveability and tractability being the aim... Remember, the Boss 290 has 388hp.

And what FPV decide to have comes down to what size pulley they want to drive the blower with.

In 2011/12 there'll be something with even more power, for a special edition like the "Boss Mustang". Also n/a. Add another fifty hp. Minimum!

GOOD .. Keeping the weight down on modern engines / vehicles is as important as emissions.. It goes together, especially with performance in mind.. I would like to see a fully optioned family car well under 1500kg...

4Vman · 16-09-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ebxr8240

GOOD .. Keeping the weight down on modern engines / vehicles is as important as emissions.. It goes together, especially with performance in mind.. I would like to see a fully optioned family car well under 1500kg...

While i agree with the "sentiment" given the ever increasing need for safety and structural integrity and consumer demand for features i cant see car weights dropping, in fact i can see them climbing...

landau460 · 15-09-2009, 10:15 PM

But the more cubes the less it has to work stroke the small block or build a falcon around a big block yummy.

Falc'man · 15-09-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

That does make allot of sense... backing the XR6T, even proclaiming it car of the century will have little if any effect on SS sales, as long as they say the SS is better than the XR8 they've had a win with both car companies.. the problem is the XR8 looses out for the wrong reasons, and Holden gain the most...

That is most certainly the case.

"Never Let the Facts Get in the Way of a Good Story".

**Polyal** · 16-09-2009, 10:21 AM

Well its only putting the line up where it should have been, so about time most would say. With the enviro goons etc having more of a say these days its going to be interesting.

Having both V8 and I6 world class engines in the falcon can only be a good thing, more options for consumers, more power for those who want it and an I4T for people who are really worried about consumption etc etc.

If ford cant take leadership in sales in 4-5 years there is something very wrong.

4Vman · 16-09-2009, 10:25 AM

When Ford offered every permutation and combination with the V8 nobody bought them, i don't think its lack of range that's hurt V8 sales...

**Polyal** · 16-09-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

When Ford offered every permutation and combination with the V8 nobody bought them, i don't think its lack of range that's hurt V8 sales...

Wasn't talking V8 sales on their own, but falcon in general. I4T will aim for fleets et al, I6 for family who might need a little more poke (towing etc, dont know what the 4T will be like for that), and then top it off with I6T and V8 engines that satisfy both groups of performance heros.

The V8 market comparatively is not huge, but important enough that they need to get it right.

More sales = more $$ = more R&D and the cycle continues.

Hard to find anything negative about that.

4Vman · 16-09-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Wasn't talking V8 sales on their own, but falcon in general. I4T will aim for fleets et al, I6 for family who might need a little more poke (towing etc, dont know what the 4T will be like for that), and then top it off with I6T and V8 engines that satisfy both groups of performance heros.

The V8 market comparatively is not huge, but important enough that they need to get it right.

More sales = more $$ = more R&D and the cycle continues.

Hard to find anything negative about that.

I agree, the mix will have many benefits however that wasn't the meaning behind my post.
People claim Ford don't offer enough model choice with the V8, and that this has contributed to its sales demise... history shows when they did nobody supported them with their wallets...

**Polyal** · 16-09-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I agree, the mix will have many benefits however that wasn't the meaning behind my post.
People claim Ford don't offer enough model choice with the V8, and that this has contributed to its sales demise... history shows when they did nobody supported them with their wallets...

Ah... you referring to 3v and 4v during B series? As thats the only time I can recollect there being much of an option. The 3v while nice, was a waste and I think/hope Ford have learnt from that. Much easier to just tune up and down I would have thought.

T3ts50 · 16-09-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Ah... you referring to 3v and 4v during B series? As thats the only time I can recollect there being much of an option. The 3v while nice, was a waste and I think/hope Ford have learnt from that. Much easier to just tune up and down I would have thought.

As I recall, a V8 was optional in pretty much everything from EB to AU3. The 8's were popular options in fairlanes and LTD's but that was pretty much it.

Road_Warrior · 16-09-2009, 11:00 AM

They don't offer it in the Berlina anymore either...

Ride · 16-09-2009, 03:14 PM

The reason why the 5L wasn't a popular option in the AU Fairmonts/Fairlanes was that it was only 3kw more than the VCT I6, EL Fairmont/Fairlane V8 was only 3-5kw more than the Tickford I6 too, no brainer there

Road_Warrior · 16-09-2009, 04:19 PM

I reckon the 3V copped a raw deal in the BA/BF. No one bought it but its a really capable engine that deserved better.

**Elks** · 16-09-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

I reckon the 3V copped a raw deal in the BA/BF. No one bought it but its a really capable engine that deserved better.

I bought one...in an XL ute.

Was a lovely torquey engine with VCT. excellent on fuel, 12.5 city and 9.5 country. But agree the 2 v8 strategy was wrong. Despite its good points I always got 'only a 220' comments. I was going to buy an I6.

4Vman · 16-09-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Elks

I bought one...in an XL ute.

Was a lovely torquey engine with VCT. excellent on fuel, 12.5 city and 9.5 country. But agree the 2 v8 strategy was wrong. Despite its good points I always got 'only a 220' comments. I was going to buy an I6.

Horses for courses..
You could have bought an XR8 if you wanted more power you realise.... the whole reason for offering more up the price tree is to get you to spend more... and the fact that non performance applications such as base vehicles don't require a "performance" V8 option... The 220 3V was more than adequate for the vehicles it was optioned with.

Falc'man · 16-09-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Swordsman88

HOWEVER, if the coyote XR8 (crate engine or FPV built) is not only the match on paper of the current 5.4 290, but is much better (ouf of the box at least) in driveability, efficiency, NVH, and that all important performance, how will the performance Ford buyer respond? And moreover, how will Ford respond? I don't think Ford for one is sure what this means, hence the decision to offer Coyote in FG Mk2 at least, to see how things go.

I wonder how much of a song and dance Ford will make of this new offering.

I'm not confident they'll sufficiently educate the demographic for this (XR8, and potentially G series) product. Unfortunately, the greatest hurdle - as pointed out by GT69 earlier - is the hard place the media finds themselves between the turbo and the SS, for them to give it a fair rating.

**Luke Plaizier** · 01-10-2009, 12:57 PM

The Road Runner can outrun the Coyote.....

Lukeyson

XR Martin · 01-10-2009, 01:18 PM

Pretty sure the buying public doesnt care what perceived 'tech' a local V8 may have, its the performance they are more interested in. Holdens V8s are at an all time sales high, Ford is probably at a fairly low point.

T3ts50 · 01-10-2009, 01:33 PM

Carsales have just posted an apparent GT-HO that was spied in Melbourne. Could be a test mule for any new SC V8 from FPV, or it could just be someones hotted up XR8. Im betting on the latter as there is no disguise whatsoever.

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2009...he-prowl-16870

4Vman · 01-10-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by T3ts50

Carsales have just posted an apparent GT-HO that was spied in Melbourne. Could be a test mule for any new SC V8 from FPV, or it could just be someones hotted up XR8. Im betting on the latter as there is no disguise whatsoever.

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2009...he-prowl-16870

More spin... they're just GT mules....