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‘Fallen off a cliff': Vaccination clinics encourage second doses as AstraZeneca demand plummets
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A lot of airtime is being given on the ABC to Professor McLaws, a lockdown enthusiast.
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DIY Tragic
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As far as I'm aware, the problem is with TTS, not the efficacy, so unlikely people who have had it will be asked to re-vaccinate. There will be boosters coming, that I think is pretty much confirmed. My folks have had their 1st. Their 2nd is due soon but they don't seem an ounce worried.
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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![]() We are seeing a shift from CBD to surburbs. In some countries this had already started pre-pandemic. Businesses are going to have to adapt to survive. There are talks of encouraging / forcing people back into CBD for work. We received an email last night from our global CEO alluding to the fact that we are all going to have to go back to the office at some stage. I'm guessing there will be some pressure from the business council. Whilst a number of boutique small businesses are closing, go closer and some will say "relocated to xxxxxx", I'm guessing there will be a bit of rent shopping. |
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![]() Your special T3 ![]() Criticise everyone else ? where/who, turn it up mate...... I don't think you like someone responding or countering to Your pov. roKwiz, for someone like you who frequents the areas you mention And we were at Watsons Bay pub most of Sunday past for eg it sure wasn't quiet/barron. It was busy as, as was all the other restaurants/cafes etc.... The Burbs are busy as, normal day to day life. Traffic is as per pretty normal. Sure its not like pre covid as you'd expect but business is carrying on. Companies/small business's have adjusted where they can so they can operate and keep employing people. We're living pretty ok here in Syd just as others from Qld have quoted.
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According to my father who looks down on DH apart from last and spends all his time there (due to travel restrictions OS) Apart from Thursdays fireworks CBD is dead and has been since March last year. He even commented on smaller food type businesses closing down due to the workforce not being there.
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Obviously the cbd white collar brigade has had a massive re set to adjust to, imo this has been a good whittling down of the fat cats some, the little biz have been the ones to suffer the most. 2 of my kids are cbd based business employees, some time ago their companies informed back to office no more WFH. Thats been healthy and many other companies have instructed this as well. In saying that comparing apples for apples our cbd would be no where as baron as Melb's Thanks to not locking down anywhere as much as them. As I've kept saying, in the big picture were living pretty ok but as we know depending the business sector your involved in, some have lost unfortunately and some are thriving.
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Tickfords T3/TS50 '02 Sprint8 manual Sept 24 '16 Daily Macan GTS "Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Abraham Lincoln" Last edited by FTE217; 18-06-2021 at 12:20 PM. |
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![]() But I know what yr father is saying - I went to a function in DH last week and it was pretty dead apart from the buildings that hug the CBD. A lot of empty office space there and Pyrmont/Ultimo. |
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Pacific Rim - top flick
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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The suburbs of Melb is far from a "ghost town". Even during the last "lock down" people were out, long queues outside the more popular cafes etc, driving through the likes of Hawthorn, Malvern and Phraran (inner east) and you wouldn't even think there were restrictions in place. |
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So i still stay in contact with my old manager. So this is referring to comercial electrical. So when i left that job, i was a service electrician. So with the majority of clients staff working from home the service calls died off. Scheduled maintenance, a lot of that died off because no one was in the office so therefore there was less and less maintenance required. Now work did pick up for a few months, but that was purely due to companies heving success with people working from home, so to save money they would downsize their offices. A lot have adoped the method of people sharing a desk, but alternating the days between them of coming to the office and working from home.
One management style my old company adopted which was legal, but a bit of a dog act in my opinion was due to the amount of people looking for work, they'd be willing to do the same job for less pay. So there was a high staff turnover as management was sort of pushing people out. I left on my own terms for my own reason, so i wasnt pushed out. But things had changed anyways. Just little things, like team meetings used to be held with the boss taking us out for lunch, that ended. A lot of little perks that made it feel like the company was looking after its employees ended. Also other stuff. So it used to be encouraged to take clients for coffee etc. The compamy would pay, it was to create customer relationships. Not every day/week or whatever. But then that got taken away to save money as the business advisor deemed saving pocket change more important the keeping good customer relationships and repeat business. So with covid slowing down work, in my mind wouldnt you want to keep as many customers as possible? Any tom, dick or harry can do most jobs we were doing, but if a client likes the service, they dont shop around, they stick to who they like. |
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They died for other reasons mostly, of old age and/or comorbidities, not the vaccine, so get your facts straight sir. It is only when people test positive for covid that they dont die from old age or other factors, its the 'rona every time. ![]() Last edited by lumen8; 18-06-2021 at 01:56 PM. |
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Data valid as at 00:00 GMT June 17th, 2021.
Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting. 16 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.003%. 2 cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.958% and active cases 22. The UK had a higher 10,809 cases yesterday and 19 deaths. A higher 14,023 new cases in the USA yesterday and 423 deaths sees CMR at 1.793%. Other notable points: Global cases pass 178M, the last 1M in 3 days; Global deaths pass 3.85M, the last 50k in 5 days; Asia passes 54M cases; Namibia (2,075) on 16/6; Afghanistan (2,313); Mongolia (2,642); and Zambia (3,394) ... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day. No countries move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average and none drop below.
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While the media concentrated on the 7 (out of 12) new TTS cases in the 50-59 age group the last 2 weeks have seen 11 (of 20) cases reported in the over 60's age group. Of course AZ is no longer considered safe for the under 60's but ok for the over 60's even though they represent the bulk of confirmed TTS cases. From this weeks TGA report: This takes the total Australian reports assessed as TTS following the AstraZeneca vaccine to 37 confirmed cases and 23 probable cases. Most cases have occurred in people aged over 50 years because the AstraZeneca vaccine has been used almost exclusively in this age group since the recommendation from ATAGI on 8 April 2021 that the Comirnaty vaccine is preferred in people under 50. The TGA’s adjudication committee, which met to review these cases on 16 June 2021, confirmed that seven of the 12 new cases this week were in individuals aged 50–59 years old. Of those 60 cases, 36 have been discharged from hospital although some are still receiving care; 22 are still in hospital (4 critical) and 2 have died.
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I was actually being facetious there.
If I remember right, over 200 people have died after being vaccinated according to govts own website somwhere or other, mightve been a TGA page. I know correlation does not equal causation though. That said, the official death number attributed to the vaccine is listed as 2, but its not beyond the realms of possibility that within those other 200+ deaths there may have been more adversely affected by it. |
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By chance, some people will experience new illnesses or die from a pre-existing condition shortly after vaccination, especially if they are elderly. We review all deaths reported after vaccination and compare the expected natural death rates in a similar case group to observed death rates following immunisation to distinguish between possible side effects of the vaccines and coincidental events.” |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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All this chopping and changing on AZ. Offer it to anyone who wants and export any surplus at this point I reckon.
Give Pfizer to anyone who wants it once the vulnerable and front line workers are finished and we just have to deal with supply issues until we get either more Pfizer and Moderna and Novamax supply starts coming in. |
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Where to next??
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Yes AZ has risks but every medical act, as well as life in general has an element of risk.
They need to compare the AZ risks to other actions we do every day to show how minor the risks are in reality. I think a marketing campaign comparing AZ clotting risks to things like: * getting struck by lightning * having an accident on the way to vaccination * getting food poisoning * breaking a leg playing sports * having a heart attack * catching covid and developing long term problems Will show that the risk of not getting it may be worse than other risks we accept every day. Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
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The media have done a great disservice to our vaccine rollout when it comes to AZ.
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Last Tuesday I walked into a Pfzier only vaccination hub(waited about an hour) and received a Pfzier shot and I am older than 60. No questions asked. There was also other people in that age group who received it as well. Too much hype in the media on what you can't and can have.
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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How have people gone with getting their vaccination?
I've just had my second shot (Pfizer) on Thursday. I had a sore arm after the first shot, and no side effects after the second shot. I did get a cold after getting the first shot, but that I blame on the kids as they passed their colds on to me.
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I am in Perth and am 68 yrs old, I have refused AZ 5 times, for reasons I have recently explained. I asked my GP last week to give me Pfizer vaccine, his reply, I can't, you need to go to a hospital ED and ask there?.... ![]() Cheers Frustrated King Billy ![]() |
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The Qld government said that they will give the injection regardless which one, even like me turning up to a Pfizer only hub. GP's can't give the Pfzier injection as it needs to stored at -70C, which GP's haven't got the equipment to do this. Hospitals and injection hubs currently are the only places with this equipment.
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Data valid as at 00:00 GMT June 18th, 2021.
Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting. 8 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.002%. 1 case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.958% and active cases 23. The UK had a lower 10,270 cases yesterday and 11 deaths. A lower 13,518 new cases in the USA yesterday and 382 deaths sees CMR at 1.793%. Other notable points: Mongolia (2,746); and Brazil (98,135) ... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day. No countries move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average and Nepal drops below.
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- The vaccine can be stored for five days at refrigerated 2-8°C conditions. After storage for up to 30 days in the Pfizer thermal shipper, vaccination centers can transfer the vials to 2-8°C storage conditions for an additional five days, for a total of up to 35 days. Once thawed and stored under 2-8°C conditions, the vials cannot be re-frozen or stored under frozen condition Last edited by five 7; 19-06-2021 at 02:12 PM. |
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They're not likely to change the process so quickly so for now, yes, only places that can handle the (original) temp requirements have the vaccine. Besides, it still needs to be diluted and there are processes in place around that too, else we end up back in that scenario where those oldies were given 4x the dose they were supposed to get. It's not difficult for anyone to take themselves to a hub if they want to pfizer shot. |
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