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Interesting bypoint: as yet even fully vaccinated people need to government quarantine on entering Australia.
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I don't reckon being immunised in Australia is going to magically fix the rest of the world and take us back to where we were. The Fed will maintain iron control of the international borders for a while yet. |
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I think 6 months time will be interesting. But regardless, we really need to get the vaccination rollout happening here.
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Once the major economies start to open up to each other (the US and Europe aren't going to wait for the rest of the world), there will be enormous pressure for us to do the same. Remember when we were asked to "live with the virus" when Victoria had new 50-100 cases a day? ![]() Hopefully what is happening in India has given the Feds a bit of a shake up. |
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Remote quarantine is dumb in my book. It just makes them feel safer as it is further away. But the recent WA system failure was after release, he would still have come back to a population centre. You also have to transfer travellersthere needing buses etc. Then staffing to manage a thousand people in the middle of nowhere. Just put positive cases in a health facility, and halt flights from anywhere with a high infection rate. Plus, most countries need a negative test to fly in, does Australia require that?
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This is the real problem. Listen to what he said about the biggest epidemic in our history, then note the upload date. |
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Herd immunity through natural infection has never been obtained for novel viruses. It'd probably kill off everyone susceptible to the disease and then.. assuming a level of 'immunity' is even reached.. who's left to be protected by it? We'd also be left with a hell of a lot of permanent organ damage in otherwise healthy people. Quote:
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Remote sites can work if done properly. Have staff do shifts on site, maybe month on month off. Not sure what the arrangement is at Howard springs, but I don't think there has been any leaks? Agree the Vic man was after the fact, but theoritically speaking, he may have never caught it if the site was more appropriate. Every time some innocent bugga catches it, there is a risk of long term complication. My prediction for future border controls: * Once 1a and 1b vaccinations are complete, there will be pressure on the states to increase quarantine capacities. The feds will have some sort of carrot or stick to entice states to do it. It sounds like Vic is close to choosing a site for their project to increase capacity anyhow. * Once we are well into 2a (say 60-70%), there will be more bubbles with low risk countries. This is where it is going to get interesting. I reckon countries that have been “successful” in rolling out their jabs will be in the group, so looking at US, UK and the likes. * By the time we get to 2bs, it will be close to election time. Huge pressure on industries that are hurting. So 2bs may just have to take the hit for the country’s economy. |
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Data valid as at 00:00 GMT April 26th, 2021.
Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting. 29 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.064%. 0 new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.000% and active cases 33. The UK had a higher 2,064 cases yesterday and 6 deaths. Just over 36k new cases in the USA yesterday and 278 deaths sees CMR at 1.786%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences. Other notable points: Global cases pass 148M, the last 1M in 2 days; Europe passes 1M deaths; North America passes 38M cases; Only - Sri Lanka (997); ... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day. Libya moves above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average while Norway drops below.
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![]() States took control because Morrison rocked up to the first meeting with NO plan. Dumbass Andrews suggested states would do it, the rest is history.
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Regardless, I still stand by "It is a fair ask, the states are doing what is ultimately the federal government's job." Its in black and white, can't be weaselled out of. States can't override the Feds or the constitution. But Feds can "delegate" to states at their choosing. Peter Dutton hits back at WA premier, insisting states had agreed to manage hotel quarantine https://www.theguardian.com/australi...tel-quarantine Just to clarify, I don't have an issue with states managing it given we are where we are now. What I have a problem with is that those who are ultimately accountible sit back and offer little assistance. Last edited by T3rminator; 27-04-2021 at 04:36 PM. |
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Who is responsible for quarantine in Australia?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-...ralia/13070108 "In fact, quarantine was the only health power given to the new Federation in 1901 and has been used to deal with threats ranging from smallpox to the ravages of the Spanish Flu in 1919. Fast forward to the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic last year and the decision in March to require all overseas arrivals to quarantine for 14 days. A deal was struck between Prime Minister Scott Morrison and state and territory leaders. The states and territories agreed to run hotel quarantine as part of their broader responsibility for public health, despite it being a federal role under the constitution." I remember this was debated at in great lenghts last year. I don't understand how it can be read any other than the Feds being ultimately accountable. Anyway. |
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If I was being really cynical I'd say that the states wanted to run their own show as some had elections coming up.
Now that the elections are over they've had a change of mind?
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Back in March 2020....
Heard of COAG. The Council of Australian Governments (COAG) held its 48th general meeting today in Sydney. The discussion focussed on Australia’s response to coronavirus (also known as COVID-19) and on recovery from the 2019-20 bushfires. Leaders also made progress on a range of existing COAG priorities, directed at improving the current and future wellbeing of Australians. Protecting Australians from the impact of coronavirus Australia is experiencing the impacts of coronavirus, but we are one of the best-prepared countries in the world, thanks to the early actions of all levels of government. Since January 2020, Australian governments have been working together to develop, implement and coordinate strategies to slow the spread of the virus, including through strengthening our world leading health system and implementing border measures. Today, leaders committed to leveraging their combined resources to slow the spread of the virus and ensure Australia stays ahead of the curve in minimising the impact of coronavirus on the Australian community and economy. With the wellbeing and safety of Australians being their highest priority, leaders will continue to manage the risk of the virus based on the best and latest evidence and medical advice. The new National Partnership Agreement on COVID-19 Response, signed by all leaders today, is a 50-50 shared funding deal between the Commonwealth and the states and territories that will ensure the capacity of our health system to effectively assess, diagnose and treat people with coronavirus in a way that minimises the spread of the virus in the community and protects our most vulnerable. As part of the deal, the Commonwealth will deliver an immediate $100 million advance payment, on a population basis, to the states and territories to prepare the health system. Coronavirus has been declared a global pandemic and Australia is well prepared, including across non-health sectors. On 25 February 2020, at the request of the Chief Medical Officer, the Australian Government activated the Emergency Response Plan for Communicable Disease Incidents of National Significance: National Arrangements (National CD Plan). The National CD Plan, developed and endorsed by all jurisdictions in 2018, outlines how non-health sectors (such as police, childcare, schools, transport and essential utilities) will support the health sector response. Today, leaders welcomed the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee’s (AHPPC’s) development of a risk‑based decision-making tool for mass gatherings. They agreed to work in a co-ordinated way and have regard to the advice of the AHPPC, should the need arise to adjust services in response to coronavirus. All decisions will be proportionate to the risk. COAG agreed to commission real-time, transparent protocols, underpinned by advice from the AHPPC and working through the National Coordination Mechanism, to support a consistent approach to containment and preparedness for coronavirus. These protocols will include management of mass gatherings, school closures, health management in remote communities and public transport, with decisions on applying the protocols resting with states and territories. COAG further agreed that the AHPPC advice will have the status of COAG advice, and to implement and follow the advice, as necessary. https://www.coag.gov.au/meeting-outc...-13-march-2020 FFS its trying in here at times - in and out of here.
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It was well reported that the states had agreed to run the quarantine program despite it being a federal responsibility.
It would be interesting to see why they had agreed but I imagine at least one of the reasons is they thought they would do a better job and it would be more practical for them to manage it. As the states are responsible for public health they would have to deal with failure in the program regardless of what was agreed. |
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Only thing I can think of is, there was no plan and someone had to act, and the first person to opened their mouth didn't think it through ![]() Oh, the press requested for minutes of the first cabinet meeting under FOI. It was rejected by the Feds, based on "national security". That would have given us an idea on what was discussed and rationale for decisions. |
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In the absence of any supporting data for the speculation I guess we'll go with the documented release of what transpired
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Thanks fellas, for providing artifacts to support what was said in the first place.
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We take a simplistic view that 120 years ago quarantine was determined to be a federal task. So we have Border force to enforce our ability on the border. There is no skillset to handle people once through the border. Where would all of the health professionals come from? What facilities are available? I think the vast majority of those going through Quarantine would prefer a comfy hotel to barracks of some kind. And nothing to say they are any better than any hotel room - remember these people will not be allowed to wonder around the facilities and the swimming pool. They will still be confined to a room, with all of the same challenges in a hotel. If you put them in a camp, and run it WA style, there is no difference, they could get infected on day 14, leave the camp and go home. No difference at all, we just feel safer as it is further away. The critical current failing in WA is they have decided in their wisdom to leave infections people across the corridor from non. That is dumb, has been discovered elsewhere and addressed. The decision for the states to run it was due to them having the associated peoplepower and access to facilities. It could never have been run by the feds. They made a smart, correct group decision. There was actually no other workable choice. It is my belief that after 14 days in hotel quarantine, there should be 7 days isolating at home with a further test at day 5 at home.
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Data valid as at 00:00 GMT April 27th, 2021.
Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting. 23 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.062%. 8 new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.997% and active cases 36. The UK had a higher 2,685 cases yesterday and 17 deaths. Just over 48.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 342 deaths sees CMR at 1.784%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences. Other notable points: Global cases pass 149M, the last 1M in 1 day; Asia sets a new daily case high of 489,419; India sets a new global high with 362,902 cases; Europe passes 44M cases; Asia passes 0.5M deaths Only - Maldives (386); Réunion (1,038); Sri Lanka (1,111); Costa Rica (1,927); and India (362,902) ... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day. No countries move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average and none drop below.
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