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Citroënbender · 09-07-2021, 02:32 PM

Sydney is not looking good for (revised) on-time ending of ~~lockdown~~ restrictions. I was on the fringe of the spotlit area earlier today, and sensed a lot more “**** you” in peoples’ manners. It may take some high community profile deaths or genuine close calls to change.

T3rminator · 09-07-2021, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Sydney is not looking good for (revised) on-time ending of ~~lockdown~~ restrictions. I was on the fringe of the spotlit area earlier today, and sensed a lot more “**** you” in peoples’ manners. It may take some high community profile deaths or genuine close calls to change.

Citro, are you surprised people aren't listening though?

Bank in another 2 weeks, at least. Stay safe.

T3rminator · 09-07-2021, 06:57 PM

Home quarantine being trialed in South Australia for the vaccinated. Although the trial will be on a group of people who are unlikely to breach protocols, so not sure if this will really "test" the system.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...reak/100281492

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South Australian Premier Steven Marshall said the trial would involve returning defence personnel and Paralympians.

Both cohorts must have been fully vaccinated in Australia.

"It will progress only under strict safety and surveillance measures and only when approved by our public health experts," Mr Marshall said.

"While we will be the first jurisdiction to return South Australians through home quarantine, it is expected other states will then adopt the system."

Yellow_Festiva · 10-07-2021, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...b6b384c41f81e6

Wont quote myself, but why the heck not.

Who the hell are the TGA to tell a pub who they can give free beers to??

I think it's a great initiative. So very Australian.

On the other hand.. the response by the TGA...

But remember.. it's not a race.. and clever scientists will create a magical number eventually and it will be a scientific number. We will have a meeting in a few months to set up a task force to assess the situation and to possibly, maybe, put together a plan to move forward in the hope of something happening in a few years... maybe...

I wonder if the Liberals will still retain power in 22?

b0son · 10-07-2021, 11:40 AM

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Who the hell are the TGA to tell a pub who they can give free beers to??

They actually can't, because the pub is not the one administering then vaccine. The TGA have absolutely no jurisdiction over anyone not providing therapeutic goods/devices.

MITCHAY · 09-07-2021, 07:08 PM

Masks be gone! Well not to midnight but going nowhere between now and then

I was going to buy some fabric ones but I said **** it, I have a few disposables left in a pinch

**russellw** · 10-07-2021, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Masks be gone! Well not to midnight but going nowhere between now and then

I was going to buy some fabric ones but I said **** it, I have a few disposables left in a pinch

In Victoria they only removed the requirement for masks in the office but not for other public facing indoor activity. Wherever you are, I'd be investing in some anyway as they are likely to be a part of our future.

**DJR-351** · 10-07-2021, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by russellw

In Victoria they only removed the requirement for masks in the office but not for other public facing indoor activity. Wherever you are, I'd be investing in some anyway as they are likely to be a part of our future.

And maybe invest in the manufacturing of them.

Trevor 57 · 10-07-2021, 05:43 AM

People, (including leaders) have NOT learnt from others mistakes, including their own (ala Ruby Princess)

**Charliewool** · 10-07-2021, 09:49 AM

Further to my previous rant…
https://www.news.com.au/travel/peopl...32f88a04844aa4

T3rminator · 10-07-2021, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Charliewool

Further to my previous rant…
https://www.news.com.au/travel/peopl...32f88a04844aa4

I think the article is confusing certain gov's inaction and mismanagement to joe public "not caring". Several hundred millions of tax payer money will now be spent on building proper facilities to bring citizens home safely, and I don't hear anyone complaining.

Hotels were not built for quarantine, and its clear that health officials across all major states are struggling to contain the leaks. Makes sense you would take some burden off the system until you get it right. Unless of course we just accept to live with the virus, which we won't.

**russellw** · 10-07-2021, 11:55 AM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT July 9th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

48 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 2.940%.

1 new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.940% and active cases 32.

The UK had a higher 35,200 cases yesterday and lower 29 deaths and a CMR of 2.538%.

A lower 26,727 new cases in the USA yesterday and higher 377 deaths sees CMR at 1.794%.

Other notable points:
Africa sets a new daily high with 47,459 cases (8/7);
Brazil passes 19M cases;

Fiji (860);
South Korea (1,316);
Vietnam (1,625);
Libya (1,710) - the previous high on 25/10/20;
Zimbabwe (2,683);
Myanmar (4,320) - the 6th consecutive day;
Cuba (6,422) - almost double the previous high;
Thailand (9,276); and
Malaysia (9,180);

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Argentina drops below.

**russellw** · 10-07-2021, 01:48 PM

Those who have been watching, will have noticed that the overall global case numbers have started to rise again over the last few weeks after they had been in decline.

Looking at the graph for the last 6 weeks, we can see that:

Asia dropped significantly after the India crisis but has been climbing again over the last 2 weeks;
Africa has been steadily increasing over the entire 6 week period and in fact has set new record highs over 6 of the last 10 days and the 10-day average of 40k cases / day is well above the 90th percentile of 25k;
Europe has been steadily climbing the last two weeks;
North America has been fairly stable although the trend is slightly upward again; and
South America has been coming off a peak the last few weeks.

We'll drill down on those a bit more below.

**russellw** · 10-07-2021, 02:29 PM

Let's start with Asia. As mentioned above, once India came off the big peaks, the numbers for the continent also shot down but they have been creeping up again and India, with a 40k cases/day 10-day average (10dA) is not really responsible for the increases.

Bangladesh has a 10dA of 9,610 cases / day (and 3 new records in that period) which is well above the 90th percentile of 3,336 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since early-June when the 10dA was only 1,766.

Indonesia has a 10dA of 29,994 cases / day which is well above the 90th percentile of 10,217 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since early-June when the 10dA was only 6,423.

Iraq has a 10dA of 7,632 cases / day (and two new records) which is above the 90th percentile of 5,905 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since mid-June when the 10dA was only 3,991.

Kazakhstan has a 10dA of 2,688 cases / day (and a new record) which is above the 90th percentile of 2,126 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since early-June when the 10dA was only 998.

South Korea has a 10dA of 917 cases / day which is above the 90th percentile of 698 but two of the last 3 days have set new records and case numbers have been steadily climbing since mid-June when the 10dA was only 447.

Cyprus has a 10dA of 703 cases / day (and two new records) which is above the 90th percentile of 467 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since early-June when the 10dA was only 56.

Malaysia has a 10dA of 7,214 cases / day (and a new record) which is above the 90th percentile of 5,275 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since late-April when the 10dA was only 3,221.

Myanmar, which had dropped so far in May that I took it off the watch list has a 10dA of 2,868 cases / day (and six new records in a row) which is well above the 90th percentile of 1,293 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since late-May when the 10dA was only 37!

Although not as bad Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Oman, Iran and Kuwait are all above the 90th percentile for their 10dA.

On the plus side of the coin: (the first number is the 10dA and the 2nd is the 90th percentile:

Lebanon (247 / 3,110); Jordan (506 / 4,948); Palestine (103 / 1,812); Sri Lanka (1,426 / 1,916); Turkey (5,060 / 29,727); Armenia (116 / 1,174); UAE (1,655 / 2,887); Bahrain (141 / 1,113); Georgia (997 / 2,196); Qatar (130 / 996); Japan (1,659 / 4,483); Israel (380 / 4,981); Azerbaijan (100 / 2,188); Saudi Arabia (1,280 / 2,591) and Pakistan (1,308 / 4,448) are all below their 90th percentile.

**russellw** · 10-07-2021, 02:46 PM

Europe has been travelling pretty well although the UK has started to climb again the last two weeks with a 10dA of 28,279 which is above the 90th percentile of 26,798 while the only other country above the 90th percentile is Spain although the 10dA of 13,745 is below the 90th percentile of 16,872 but will pass it again shortly.

South America is also mostly good news with only Colombia (well) above the 90th percentile with a 10dA of 25,855 and a 90th percentile of 19,984.

Not so good in North America despite the USA having a big drop in case averages - currently 16,768 against a 90th percentile of 184k there are some other countries going the wrong way:

Cuba has a 10dA of 3,680 cases / day (and several new records) which is above the 90th percentile of 1,172 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since early-June when the 10dA was only 1,191.

Guatemala has a 10dA of 2,163 cases / day which is above the 90th percentile of 1,335 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since mid-May when the 10dA was only 900.

Costa Rica, Dominican Republic and Honduras are all above the 90th percentile as well but not by such big margins.

On the plus side:

Argentina (17,984 / 23,690); Brazil - finally (50,719 / 75,822) but still too high; Bolivia (1,556 / 2,156); Chile (2,862 / 6,727); Ecuador (958 / 1,907); Paraguay (1,450 / 2,278); Peru (2,462 / 7,990) and Uruguay (772 / 2,827) have all made significant inroads.

**russellw** · 10-07-2021, 02:59 PM

.. and then there is Africa. It's the worst of the continents over the last few weeks but a drill-down makes it easy to see why.

South Africa has a 10dA of 20,322 cases / day (and two new records) which is above the 90th percentile of 12,634 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since early-May when the 10dA was only 1,177.

Namibia has a 10dA of 1,382 cases / day which is above the 90th percentile of 455 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since late-May when the 10dA was only 263.

Tunisia has a 10dA of 6,755 cases / day which is above the 90th percentile of 2,180 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since early-May when the 10dA was only 900.

Mozambique has a 10dA of 1,042 cases / day (and a new high) which is above the 90th percentile of 599 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since late-May when the 10dA was only 21.

Zambia has a 10dA of 2,034 cases / day which is above the 90th percentile of 1,231 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since late-May when the 10dA was only 275.

Zimbabwe has a 10dA of 1,653 cases / day (and two new records) which is well above the 90th percentile of 355 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since mid-May when the 10dA was only 15.

Although not as bad, Uganda, Algeria, Senegal and Libya are all above the 90th percentile while only:

Morocco (925 / 3,255) although it is creeping up; Egypt (183 / 1,190); Kenya (437 / 958); Angola (110 / 212); Mauritania (75 / 126); Madagascar (18 / 257); Cabo Verde (40 / 137) and Ghana (147 / 532) are travelling well.

Itsme · 10-07-2021, 08:02 PM

Fingers crossed I hope the Sydneysider's get this latest covid outbreak under control and defeat it.

Cheers

Citroënbender · 10-07-2021, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Officemanager

Fingers crossed I hope the Sydneysider's get this latest covid outbreak under control and defeat it…

Normally I detest this academic’s Covid viewpoints, but I can see absolutely in the current situation, as informed by NSW’s response thus far - why her commentary is accurate.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/lo...8-9bbbadfc514b

As a side point to Sydney’s current new regs, the exercise within your LGA or no more than 10km from your home has me puzzled. Nowhere official can I find which is the overarching constraint if your LGA is small.

zilo · 10-07-2021, 09:57 PM

A man tested positive after arriving in the UK from Australia.
Tested positive for the Delta (indian strain).

Spent a few days in....TASMANIA...before flying to Tullamarine then UK.

Nothing to worry about the chief medical officer of tasmania said tonight.

HAHAHA...where have we heard this before...

Here comes the big angry bear...

Pis-ton broke · 10-07-2021, 10:23 PM

govco are banging on about face masks, because airbourne transmission rated the most dangerous, but surface contact is no. two, and not one word about that.
i hear the germ can live for 24h on a surface, is this true?

T3rminator · 10-07-2021, 10:28 PM

How are the regional folks feeling? Apparently sewage samples being taken multiple times a day to monitor for any unreported cases, but border closure seems inevitable. Last count 17,000 red permits approved into Vic, more to come with school holidays finishing up.

‘Razor’s edge’: Victorians given final warning to exit NSW as border closures loom

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...10-p588kf.html

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Originally Posted by zilo

A man tested positive after arriving in the UK from Australia.
Tested positive for the Delta (indian strain).

Spent a few days in....TASMANIA...before flying to Tullamarine then UK.

Nothing to worry about the chief medical officer of tasmania said tonight.

HAHAHA...where have we heard this before...

Here comes the big angry bear...

Quick, stop all flights from the UK and Tassie! He also had a stop over in Singapore, reckon high chance he caught it there or even after landing back in the UK. Delta is rampant in the UK, and the incubation period is very short? Otherwise...look out!

**Charliewool** · 11-07-2021, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

govco are banging on about face masks, because airbourne transmission rated the most dangerous, but surface contact is no. two, and not one word about that.
i hear the germ can live for 24h on a surface, is this true?

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slowsnake · 11-07-2021, 09:32 AM

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Ya missed one - Undercarriage of passenger jet India to Australia 24 hrs?
Dormant in severe cold at 37,000 feet, active on landing Australia.
Just a thought, just a thought!

Cheers King Billy

T3rminator · 11-07-2021, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

Ya missed one - Undercarriage of passenger jet India to Australia 24 hrs?

Dormant in severe cold at 37,000 feet, active on landing Australia.

Just a thought, just a thought!

Cheers King Billy

+ frozen packaging 3 weeks

**GasoLane** · 11-07-2021, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

Ya missed one - Undercarriage of passenger jet India to Australia 24 hrs?
Dormant in severe cold at 37,000 feet, active on landing Australia.
Just a thought, just a thought!

Not sure if serious

slowsnake · 11-07-2021, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

Not sure if serious

Of course I am serious!...this thing travels in the air, not on people only, its on our clothes our skin its everywhere, that's how folk get sick, breathing in the particles, our body doesn't activate the virus?...the virus is already active in or out of our bodies, our pets too!

But why can't it travel by air, as a stowaway inside a cargo bay, or the wheel bay on an intercontinental airline, and spread at its destination.
If folk on a flight from India are all negative to Covid-19 then we get sick folk all over the city they land in, where/how did it travel!...on the plane that brought em here.

I know my ideas seem odd, but this virus is beyond odd or strange, maybe we need to think/ look at it more simply, I reckon a forum like this has as much chance of working it out as a bunch of so called "scientific experts"

Cheers King Billy

Trendseeker · 11-07-2021, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

As a side point to Sydney’s current new regs, the exercise within your LGA or no more than 10km from your home has me puzzled. Nowhere official can I find which is the overarching constraint if your LGA is small.

That question was put to NSW Health for clarity and they said the key word is “or”; you can do both.

Commenting on the 10km rule, a NSW Health spokeswoman said: “This means people must stay within their LGA, but they can also cross LGA borders as long as they do not travel further than 10km from their home.

“This acknowledges the pragmatic reality that many people live in close proximity to LGA borders and their closest park may be in a neighbouring LGA.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bre...e6a74ba10f9fb8

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Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

i hear the germ can live for 24h on a surface, is this true?

There is also a possibility that it can be caught through your eyes.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...ough-your-eyes

roKWiz · 11-07-2021, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

govco are banging on about face masks, because airbourne transmission rated the most dangerous, but surface contact is no. two, and not one word about that.
i hear the germ can live for 24h on a surface, is this true?

Very aware of this. Pack of throwaway gloves, use them or the hand sanitiser everytime you check in somewhere. Partically careful around service stations multiple people using the pump handles all day.
Even worst along major hwys as city folk use these when passing through the country.

b0son · 11-07-2021, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

govco are banging on about face masks, because airbourne transmission rated the most dangerous, but surface contact is no. two, and not one word about that.

and where do the droplets that end up surfaces come from? your mouth.

if everyone wore masks, you'd have less of both airborne AND surface transmission. but everyone carries on they're an emphysema patient on their last legs at the prospect of wearing masks.

and the moment there's a lockdown called, despite previously everyone happy to sit on their couches, I'm seeing people suddenly out training for the Tokyo olympic walking race. have never seen so many people out walking.

roKWiz · 11-07-2021, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

and where do the droplets that end up surfaces come from? your mouth.

if everyone wore masks, you'd have less of both airborne AND surface transmission. but everyone carries on they're an emphysema patient on their last legs at the prospect of wearing masks.

and the moment there's a lockdown called, despite previously everyone happy to sit on their couches, I'm seeing people suddenly out training for the Tokyo olympic walking race. have never seen so many people out walking.

Biggest problem I've seen with this is parents dragging all their children (not masked up) through stores touching everything in sight, running around, coughing and not social distancing from other people not in their family.

Maybe just one parent could go to the store, the other stay home without taking the whole family.