Fastest P-Plate Legal Car

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by Tote

A couple of points to ponder regarding the NSW licence laws, the reason P plater deaths have increased is probably because there are now 3 times as many P platers as there were 5 years ago when provisional licencing was only for one year.

The two fold increase in deaths happened in 2006, twice the deaths of the year 2005. That's a long time after the 3 years of provisional licence crap came into play, so that can't be the reason... unless suddenly somehow the P-plate driver number doubled in 2006 over 2005 in NSW.

[T_Terror]

Thats a fun question.

An obvious one is a manual EA falcon, theyre light and have a rorty engine that shines in manual form. pod-in-a-box, extractors and 2.5 inch exhaust with a good muffler dumped at the diff. Dont forget to put a hole in the CAT. Paint all engine bay accesories black and throw a bit of oil on it to look real. Dont forget to put a rusted exhaust tip on the end to make it look like the exhaust has holes in it.
Also, i see no reason why an AU motor cant be installed, its newer and isnt really a performance engine.


Another great option is a Honda Civic.
I know, hear me out.
They are bloody light, the stock engine can give you plenty of fun, same thing put in a later model engine and just say your current one is busted, a civic motor is not viewed as a performance motor, but with the later 2.0litre models you will be pulling mid 13s easy.
Strip it down fo some easy power to weight fun, few cars will touch you on the road and none will though the corners.
Those that doubt me have never driven a good honda.


BA falcon turbo
In white or some other bland colour, stock body no kits, XR rims nothing flashy.
They are not viewed as a hoon car, VTs cop waymore flack from cops.
Put in a a turbo motor, or do a turbo conversion on the stock motor running it on low boost. The stock heat shield hides the turbo really well, maybe even add a few extra pipes that dont go anywhere to hide it better, make sure you paint everything black, piping intercooler and all.
BOV MUST be plmbed back, use stock exhaust with a electronic cut-out so you can have power when you need it and whisper quiet every other time.

Jeez i wish i was a P-plater again its like a really fun challenge except now i have money to carry out my ideas.

[Elks]

Really dumb law. Look what happened with motor bikes. 250's that outrun Harleys. This thread is a good indication of where this will go.

Sleeper City; Great concept.

Why do you think the 4.2 stoker kit for the holden V6 exists. Short of an engine teardown you would never know.

As for modding a BMW (assuming the budget would stand it) you could just pull the 2.5 and drop in a 3.5 who apart from a BMW mech would know.

The 4.0 where a 3.9 was. Same.

Just keep the cams small and the muffler quiet really quiet so as to keep a low profile. Then take it to the track.

Me, my 1st car was a ZC fairlane with a modded 351. Those were the days. If I had to do it today, I think an absolutely stock stock RS2000. Very cool with collectors value too.

OK i'd add air con. Or is that now illegal?

[Tote]

Steffo,
I take your point about graduated licencing, it seems that it was introduced in 1999 so in 2003 there would have been a greater number of P platers than in previous years as that change came into effect.
However there was no doubling of P plater deaths between 2005 and 2006.
in 2005 there were 208 driver deaths aged 17 -25 and in 2006 there were 227, hardly a doubling and I would suspect attributable to statistical anomalies as much as any other cause.
Source: http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...f/mrf_2006.pdf

Regards,
Tote

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by Tote

Steffo,
I take your point about graduated licencing, it seems that it was introduced in 1999 so in 2003 there would have been a greater number of P platers than in previous years as that change came into effect.
However there was no doubling of P plater deaths between 2005 and 2006.
in 2005 there were 208 driver deaths aged 17 -25 and in 2006 there were 227, hardly a doubling and I would suspect attributable to statistical anomalies as much as any other cause.
Source: http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...f/mrf_2006.pdf

Regards,
Tote

One of the two major papers, I think it was SMH, reported that it was a doubling. So of course I was going by what they said. Either way, there was an increase with the introduction of the law. And I'm willing to bet, sad to say, that with the new passenger restrictions and the cars on the road following each other around increasing in number, that the statistics will be against the RTA once again.

[FlipXW]

Not to mention the amount of drink driving going on because people cant get a friend to be the designated driver from parties and stuff.

[XCSEDAN]

Originally Posted by eXi7w0unD

its not stupid.. its their cus u young 1's keep stuffing up.

instead of getting the fastest p plate legal car. get a nice car with leather and pimp it out. 20's, lowered, zorst. get more chicks and more notice rather then a "fast" car.

thats my opinion. prolly less likely to get pulled over aswell.

ok... no offence but no way.

anything that LOOKS modified will have the cops INSTANT attention, however, think about this, dead stock looking falcon, nice quiet exhaust, worked to hell under the bonnet with the right driveline.
cops wont know that if you do it right though ;)

but yeah if you want a quick zippy car, then get a lil mazda or something, OR a cortina with a 250 2V!!!! they fly! (nice light weight with a whole bunch of power !!! )

[SVT8]

have to agree on the cortina.

get a nice tf cortina, respray in blue and chuck a 4l in it. perfect, with a not to loud exhaust and on the limit for lowering.....your laughing. If your really serious about it, then drop in a v8 after your p's. problem solved.

With the whole p'plater epidemic, i have to say alot of the rules are biased to one side. I mean i drive a V8, its modified a bit.......but in the end i do it for myself. Its part of growing up, having enthusiam about your car and doing it up. People have different taste and views on the p'plater issue. So there is always going to be arguements on both sides. As for me........... i intend to keep the car and have the joy of doing progress to it as its not a waste of money, nor is it a bang up car for my p'plate years. If your responsible then you will appreciate your ride with a passion......no matter what it is and how fast it goes. Just for my personal driving i love sticking in first get up to the speedlimit and cruise a couple of kilometres under the actuall limit. Not many Eb's V8 getting about so it makes it that much sweeter to own this vehicle.

[XR5Turbo]

Stick to the Playstation, you can go as fast as you want. Everyday there is a news story of a P Plater doing 150-200Km/h on a public road.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by XR5Turbo

Stick to the Playstation, you can go as fast as you want. Everyday there is a news story of a P Plater doing 150-200Km/h on a public road.

And sometimes the person reported on isn't even a P-plater!

I drive over 1000km per week and I see more fully licenced 30+ drivers doing illegal stupidity on the road then 17-20 y/o P-Platers.

How about we ban 8cyl+ or forced induction cars for anyone under 55. Lets see how people react to that.

[Allen]

Originally Posted by XR5Turbo

Everyday there is a news story of a P Plater doing 150-200Km/h on a public road.

Care to prove that? That is mass media hysteria making you think something that isn't quite true...

But don't let the truth get in the way of a good story ;)

I'm 20, and have been driving wheezer powered e-series' from day 1, and not once have I had any negative attention from the law. Not even a RBT... And I like to give it a squirt every now and again.

FFS, my NF 5.0 does 17.4 on the 1/4 mile...
Although it doesn't affect me, the new p-plated laws aren't well thought out. Im sure any freshly licenced person could go out and buy a BA ex taxi, and have more power under their right foot than I do, in a package with similar weight.

As for a good car for a p-plater now days? there isn't anything wrong with a 4.0 Falcon 5 speed...

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by schnoods

A hyundai excel + tree + wet road = a bad accident.

Ummmm, Any car + tree is usually bad. It dosent matter if its wet or a hyundai excel...

[SSBUB]

3 Options, some better than the others:

1) Buy a sh*tbox to run around in and save up your coin for when its time to get into something with more grunt you could get an orion or whatever floast your boat

2) Buy a sh*tbox and pour money into a project car that you do up over time.

3) Get a nice ride and do the pimp my ride thing. Lower it, insane stereo, 20' rims, altezaa lights etc etc.

Like i said, some options are better than others. I would go either option one or two if i were you :

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by bentles

falls under the hipo category even tho it aint turbo supercharged or v8

No it doesn't. It's not a six-cylinder car, so it doesn't fall under the "high performance six-cylinder," category that bans N/A sixes with 200kW+.

It is also slower then some much less expensive legal cars like a Mk1 Elise 1.8, Clio Sport 172 or 182 and 206 GTi180. Yay for Honda. Not.

[XR5Turbo]

Originally Posted by fairlane_ghia

Care to prove that? That is mass media hysteria making you think something that isn't quite true...

But don't let the truth get in the way of a good story ;)

Stuff like this: (from the NSW Police Media Unit)
http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/al...EwMjQzJmFsbD0x
http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/al...EwMTYzJmFsbD0x
http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/al...EwMTA5JmFsbD0x

[ORSMF6]

what if you got your car retuned so it falls under the power to weight ratio ?
Get a dyno sheet and a letter from your tuner and where would the cops have a leg to stand on ...
My GF drives my F6 if she got pulled up i would be saying this .. how could they ever prove this..

It must be one big grey area for police ...

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by ORSMF6

what if you got your car retuned so it falls under the power to weight ratio ?
Get a dyno sheet and a letter from your tuner and where would the cops have a leg to stand on ...
My GF drives my F6 if she got pulled up i would be saying this .. how could they ever prove this..

It must be one big grey area for police ...

Great for Victoria. Won't work for NSW (the topic at hand is NSW). NSW flat ban anything with a rotary engine, forced induction, 8cyl+, or 6cyl N/A with 200kW+.

[Rev28K]

Originally Posted by Steffo

Renaultsport Clio 172. With ease.
From experience the car is faster then ... any FWD Type R Honda

While I really like the RS Clio I think you'll find that it needs an LSD (like the DC2R and DC5R) for when the going gets tough. If you want to go quick on a track (not a straight line) a DC2 Integra Type R is a good starting point.

I'd also look at the rare version of the Mitsubishi FTO - the R type or maybe a Celica Type III.

[Rev28K]

The Clio would be slightly cheaper second hand (they were cheaper new). DC2R’s are in the low 20k’s for a good example and high to mid teens for the roughies. As always get the best, least thrashed and modified example you can afford and get a specialist to look after it.

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Is this a serious question ? "Fastest"??
Rather than try to get around the laws put in place to help protect you (and others from you) why not just buy something appropriate for your experience and ability and save your coin for something a bit "faster" if you need it down the track when you've got a bit more experience under your belt??

Mate I also have a full motorcycle licence meaning I can ride all manner of bikes that can do 300 km/h plus and sub 9 second quarter miles.

Heck even when I was on my P's my 250 could clean up pretty much anything on the street.

If I wanted to I could slap a turbo on my Kwaka and a nice bottle of nitrous. My point is that anyone here who rides bikes will tell you that cars a slow (comparatively) so I don't know why pretty much any should be banned at all. I mean my first car was a Laser with bald front tyres and dodgy brakes because insurance and rego costs meant I couldn't afford to maintain it and I didn't feel safe because it was a NA 4 cylinder.

When me and my mates first got our car and bike licence we absolutely screamed down the backroads and I'm talking dodgy EA's, VL's, XG's and Camry's and poorly maintained 250's yet none of us have ever had an accident and the only common thing between us all is that we all ride bikes and all are "hoons".

The scary thing is that even with all these laws and regulations there still is the 1% of p platers who keep farkin crashing and making the rest of us look bad and stuffing up my insurance and that's what confuses me that I don't know why this minority keeps crashing.

They are not driving performance cars and are mostly very sedate drivers yet they keep crashing for stupid reasons like there was fog on the road or they followed too closely and because they have a Lancer with a cannon tip or a VS Commy with aftermarket rims the media screams performance car. The only conclusion is that their parents or the driving school that's supposed to be teaching them are shite.

Look if someone can't handle a V8 then putting them in a fourbanger isn't going to help. It's not 0-100 that matters it's 100-0.


............... Go the Valiant Chager as a P Plate legal car!!!!

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by sleekism

...

When me and my mates first got our car and bike licence we absolutely screamed down the backroads and I'm talking dodgy EA's, VL's, XG's and Camry's and poorly maintained 250's yet none of us have ever had an accident and the only common thing between us all is that we all ride bikes and all are "hoons".

The scary thing is that even with all these laws and regulations there still is the 1% of p platers who keep farkin crashing and making the rest of us look bad and stuffing up my insurance and that's what confuses me that I don't know why this minority keeps crashing.

...

That statement isnt helping you. Backroads, wow, must be safe then. You drove on bald tyres because you couldnt afford insurance, rego and maintenance, so you chose no maintenance? Dodgy this, dodgy that.

nothing but dumb luck, and you spout it as if its some kind of proof. Yeah yeah, its your great skill as a superior driver. Pity your skill at decision making isnt on par.

Can you spell delusional?

[SPK-250]

I have something to say about the NSW p-plate laws!! :

Move to Adelaide and buy what ever car you desire!!!!

We sold our VN SS to a 16 year old who didn't even have his p's yet, but we suspect his mum was playing the cool parent buying him a V8. The kid should be all right in as long as he respects it on wet days. Those LSD's are rippers.

Ha ha, there you go Adelaide is worth living in!! :

[Xitdxr]

Simple guys, you want to beat the law, buy a car that doesnt have a loud exhaust, doesnt attract too much attention but has massive power under the bonnet. Im not on my P plates anymore, but when i was i attracted attention because of rims, lowering and the like. I had a friend with an s pack VN commi, looked pretty standard on the outside, look under the bonnet, and apart from a 3.8L V6 being painted up you couldnt tell it had any work done, but with port polished heads, a larry perkins bottom end, stage 3 cam, and a few other things, it moved!

[chris0]

DC2 ITR or DC5..(DC2 pref. lsd, lighter) or if insurance is a problem even vti-r
Pulsar SSS (lighter again, potential)
EL xr6 (man)

The top two..good on fuel (being a p-plater,like myself, i imagine this would be fairly critical) good through corners, typical mods get them flying, esp ITR. The falcon, big car, lsd standard, quicker then the older brother xr8, again easy to mod to laws. Non turbo sixes other then the falcon/commodore i.e supra and skyline imo are just a waste as the only thing that makes them great is the hairdryer hanging off the front. Who is buying you the elise? or the bmw? Bang for your buck here

[webby_191189]

Originally Posted by Steffo

Great for Victoria. Won't work for NSW (the topic at hand is NSW). NSW flat ban anything with a rotary engine, forced induction, 8cyl+, or 6cyl N/A with 200kW+.

Thats the same in victoria now to. Except im not to sure on rotarys though. And we get away with turbo diesel to but i think NSW get that to.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by Rev28K

While I really like the RS Clio I think you'll find that it needs an LSD (like the DC2R and DC5R) for when the going gets tough. If you want to go quick on a track (not a straight line) a DC2 Integra Type R is a good starting point.

I'd also look at the rare version of the Mitsubishi FTO - the R type or maybe a Celica Type III.

I've never had a problem dispensing with ITR's in my RSC both in straight line and around corners. From what I've found, straight line, under brakes, around corners... everything... they are absolutley no match for the Renault.

[Rev28K]

Originally Posted by Steffo

I've never had a problem dispensing with ITR's in my RSC both in straight line and around corners. From what I've found, straight line, under brakes, around corners... everything... they are absolutley no match for the Renault.

Its easy to dispense with the majority of drivers and cars on the road (I do it everyday) how do you know if they were trying or if they were any good? Care to quote any laptimes on Victorian tracks and relevant mods (if any). On a tight track we can get very close to stock V8s and S2000s are about 2-3 seconds quicker again depending on the track.

Like I said I like the RS I just have don’t believe it is THAT quick. Pity we never got the Trophy model out here. And it's also a pity that the new model is heavier.

Originally Posted by chris0

Pulsar SSS (lighter again, potential)

They're very pokey, but you'll be hard pressed getting one low 15 seconds N/A.

[BeStRaFe]

PERFORMANCE
RELIABILITY
CHEEP

you can only pick 2

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by Rev28K

Its easy to dispense with the majority of drivers and cars on the road (I do it everyday) how do you know if they were trying or if they were any good? Care to quote any laptimes on Victorian tracks and relevant mods (if any). On a tight track we can get very close to stock V8s and S2000s are about 2-3 seconds quicker again depending on the track.

Like I said I like the RS I just have don’t believe it is THAT quick. Pity we never got the Trophy model out here. And it's also a pity that the new model is heavier.

Yeah it is a pity about the Trophy. Hell, its a pity about the 172 Cup never making it here. 172 Clio without the leather, a/c, 16" lighter wheels with better tyres, thinner front windows, thinner windshield, no ABS etc... weight down from 1035 to 955kg. And better suspension. Then there's always the Clio V6....

The ITR's I'm talking about are owned by a friend of mine, both of them... the older shape and the newer shape. His brother (they live in the same house) has an S2000. They reluctantley agreed with me () that the RSC leaves all three of them for dead. I wasn't expecting much of the S2k anyway, I remember easily leaving one behind in the twisties at the Royal National Park in Sydney and then getting overtaken on a straight afterwards in my old Fiesta (big deal).

Was just doing a quick google on RSC and ITR's, on Wakefield and Sandown laptimes (easiest to find) which has them both in the 1:30s rangine from 1:30 to 1:38 at Sandown and in the 1:10-1:15 regions at Wakefield.

Also looked at the Top Gear powerboard where the Clio 182 Cup lapped their track in 1:33.8, beating the Maserati 3200GT (1:38.0), Honda Civic Type R (1:36.5), Aston Martin V12 Vanquish (1:36.2), Alfa Romeo 147 GTA (1:35.6), Lotus Elise 111S (1:35.6), Ferrari F575M Maranello (1:35.2), Volvo S60R (1:35.0), Ford Focus ST (aka XR5 - 1:34.9), Monaro VXR (aka. HSV GTO - 1:33.9).

But anyway... I'm yet to take mine on-track... though I plan on it a bit later in this year... when I get some new tyres. :evil3: