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Where does it say that? EDIT: Oops, found it. However don't just cherry pick the part of the post that suits your argument - post the whole post... I have reposted it and highlighted your bit... Quote:
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It amazes me in Sth Aust that there is a set of cameras along the Freeway that will use recognition technology to detect if a car is unregistered by the number plate, also speed detection, but cars constantly tailgate each other in long columns at 100 km/hr under it and there is not the slightest concern. Tailgating is a huge issue. I will be getting front and rear facing camcorders in my car soon, I feel it is a necessity these days the way the roads are built up and the way the Govt slams you will expensive fines through the postal system, and you have no witness without video evidence. The Australian Attitude needs to change, very aggressive drivers as well. Precious little darlings everywhere who think you are holding them up doing the speed limit in front of them. There are more issues than just drug driving to combat. I am amazed that I passed my drivers test in 1988 and have NEVER been required to do a follow up/ refresher. I am amazed the lack of scientific knowledge required, especially Physics, that let's you pass a drivers test in complete ignorance of the facts. I am amazed that you can have a full license in Australia without ever needing to pass an Advanced Driving Course. I am amazed that you can pass a drivers test with absolutely zero knowledge of how a semi trailer acts and what they require. I am Australian born and bred for what that's worth.
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Work is putting all the people in work cars into a defensive driving course in a a couple of weeks because the young bloke has had 5 accidents in 15 months, 4 in one van 1 in my ex van. I have had 1 not at fault in 7 and a half years. The email stated the test is in a Mitsubishi express. I refuse that. I stated my claim about safety and got moved up into a ranger so that's what I'll do the test in, or I'll pack up and go home. I risked 6 and a bit years of my life in an express. Compression lock In second is the only way to slow one down. Insurance wise I am the cheapest person on the books. Tangent done
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People who want to drive under the influence of alcohol or drugs...or who at least think they should be allowed to do so because it's so unfair that "the man" cramps their lifestyle and restricts thier fun...always come up with excuses.
"It's not that bad"..."You're probably OK"..."You might not be that bad"... **** off. Don't do it. You're lucky I'm not in charge of things, because I think if you get caught you deserve to have your licence cancelled forever and not be allowed out among the humans on the road. Similar to a video on a Facebook page of a dash cam of a woman slowing for a red light with a light truck behind her. The light is yellow when she's some distance from it, so she slows down as you should and as she comes to a stop, it goes red a second or two before she actually halts. The truck...which had been slowing anyway...decides this is inconveniencing his busy busy day, suddenly gasses it and goes around her, right through the red light. He lost his job. Good. Most people were outraged by the idiot truck drivers actions, but there were a disturbing amount of idiots who were defending his actions. "Damn dashcam owners", and "It's not that big a deal", and "The woman should have floored it and she would have just caught the yellow" (ignoring it's illegal to go through a yellow if you can stop). The worst was people who apparently put thought into running a red...comments like "You have several seconds after your light goes red until the opposite light goes green, so there should be no issue as long as you're through within a few seconds".... There are drivers out there who think the most basic of road rules...stopping for a red light...is just silly, and actually put serious thought into their tactics for running red lights! Holy crap! ![]() Just don't drink and drive. If you simply can't live without the choof, then take a bloody bus you idiots, and don't make excuses and come up with reasons why it "isn't that big a deal". We don't want you on the road with the rest of us. |
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Even on the highway when I am on cruise control at 100kph (GPS tested), they prefer to sit up my *** rather than use the overtaking lane. I don't get it. People can't keep their space. If they're not up your backside, they're cutting right in front of you. |
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The question is, why didn't you highlight the sentences in the last paragraph which suggests people who are under the influence of pot alone actually adjust their driving habits to suit and in fact become more cautious drivers. Or doesn't that suit your argument, lol. Its the alcohol that is the biggest problem and is legal to buy, consume and drive under the influence of, go figure. And for the record, none of it 'suits my argument' as I don't have an 'argument' to suit, I was simply pointing out the misconceptions that pot provides some euphoric high where all sense of reality goes out the window because its just not true and I supported it with scientific findings as provided by the bloke who runs this show. But I do note that none of you heroes took up the challenge when Russ provided it... Last edited by BENT_8; 08-02-2017 at 04:48 PM. |
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Probably you should have re-read my post. Once again, I did initially forget about that bit (and other bits for that matter). At least I did admit to the mistake and not delete the whole post to cover it up (I'm not saying you did that either). Quote:
Sure, there are many, many studies out there that are inconclusive, however, I have not come across one creditable study that shows conclusively that marijuana does not affect your driving. |
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I have, and it was like space invaders.
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From my perspective and experience of investigating thousands of car accidents in NSW, alcohol is by far the biggest causative factor in motor accidents. Far more than dope, usually if dope was involved was combined with alcohol.
Particularly awful some of the cases of parents intoxicated on alcohol and other illicit drugs who had crashes and maimed and mauled their children for life. I remember one case of a young girl whose mother drunk and high rolled her car and her daughters leg ended up being partially severed and degloved by the rolling roof. Surgeons over 17 surgical procedures tried to save leg-would have been better off to amputate. Another involved a boy whose "mom" high on heroin and alcohol and a head on and the young boy had head injuries and his right ear ripped off-made fun of at school- Mr Spock- we arranged for plastic surgery and a reconstructed ear... Thing is, in mines and heavy industry- there is drug testing for alcohol and dope because both are considered to impair cognitive capacity and it is unacceptable in OHS setting to allow person with cognitive impairment to attend work and possibly operate machinery. And in our society, people can drive a 1855 kg odd vehicle at 110 kph, and at 50 kph with pedestrians around- that in my mind is operating machinery with potential for danger and I think we should not allow cognitive impairment of the operator by alcohol, dope or other illicit drugs. I know if I drive with 2 beers odd, or 1 red wine, that edge is off my driving, and actually I do not enjoy driving because I enjoy driving when my mind is crystal clear and everything feels sharp. Perhaps there should be a 0 alcohol tolerance for everyone, just like for P platers- then you just would never even consider drinking the legal limit and under and drive- you would accept no alcohol and driving and make other arrangements.
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What I find ironic is that alcohol is not only legal to buy, consume and drive whilst under the influence of, but that there are provisions supplied that allow me to roll into a drive thru bottle shop and make that purchase to consume whilst driving. |
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Fact that alcohol is worse than dope and there is an inconsistency in terms of alcohol/dope, does not mean society should open the taps and allow a 1 joint policy etc for drivers, rather than considering whether to rather tighten the drink driving laws.
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Drive through bottle shops are just a convenience thing for people who don't want to stop at a shopping complex on their way home from work. There is nothing about drive through bottle shops that encourage you to drink and drive. If you think drive through bottle shops are encouraging you to drink and drive than maybe it's you with the issue. I have been to drive through bottle shops countless times and have never drank and drive. |
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Ok for the record I'm going to be completely honest with you all even though I will be flamed for doing so.
I smoked pot for 25 years and drove daily whilst under the influence for 23 of them. I have held a rating 1 for 20 of them and have only ever had 1 at fault accident in that time. I was distracted whilst trying to demist my windscreen one wet winters night as I left Wagga heading for Narrandera and drove clean over the roundabout on the way out of Wagga. No other vehicle was involved and I continued the drive home to Adelaide. I had not consumed anything for 2 weeks prior to it as I was on holiday and had no access to it interstate. People who have never smoked pot in their lives regard me as the safest driver they know and often handed me the keys to do the driving if going somewhere knowing quite well that I had smoked prior. Does that make it right, HELL NO! Am I proud of it, HELL NO! What I am is honest enough to admit it and didn't hurt anyone in the process. What it does suggest is that due to my ability to function normally whilst under the influence, I was no more a danger than anyone else on the road. I put that down to either 23 years of luck or more likely, my regular use and my bodies tolerance as a result. The irony is that since I gave it up I have been diagnosed as having mild depression, so instead of driving around with a detectable illegal substance in my system that doesn't effect my ability to drive, I now get around with 100% legal anti depressants in my system that do, go figure. See its like speeding, we all protest that 3 k's over doesn't kill even though that's what the Government spruik and the speed camera's enforce and with this being a car forum it gets regurgitated as revenue raising BS almost weekly, but if this was Australian Pot Smokers Forum the same would be said for the testing of pot on drivers. Just because I smoked a cone 3 hours ago doesn't mean I'm a menace to society now, but if I was pulled over by plod I would be fined as such due to the residue left behind when in actual fact I could be completely straight. Flame away, but before you do remember an old biblical saying, let he without sin cast the first stone. Last edited by BENT_8; 08-02-2017 at 07:02 PM. |
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That's like Govco saying speeding is down because of camera's when we all know its a different story between camera's. You're only guilty if caught. Any encouragement to have alcohol available at your drivers window should be discouraged considering the findings posted earlier in this thread. Last edited by BENT_8; 08-02-2017 at 06:53 PM. |
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in my crazy youth i smoked and drove on two occasions, and imo its heaps more dangerous that driving a bit ****y. so if i smoke a spliff on saturday , i can get busted on monday? that is wrong in my book,
i thought it was legal in the A.C.T.? what happens there? |
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Someone I know very well used to be a big time stoner when he was about 19-20 and he regularly drove under the influence. He used to convince himself that it didn't affect his driving but in retrospect, it did. It wasn't serious impairment (like being drunk) but the impairment was still there to some extent.
People will always try to convince themselves that they are in the right or that they are not the problem but you have to be realistic about things. Just because it's the less of two evils, doesn't mean it isn't wrong. |
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But-I think a number of members will resonate with the knowledge of having done lots of stupid stuff in younger years (and my daughter last night still saying that I am still doing stupid stuff when I announced I am going with my best mate on a NZ alpine rock/ice/snow mountaineering course for 2 weeks to summit 3 peaks), and with benefit of maturity and life realise that what we did n the younger years was probably unwise.
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It's a mind altering substance. It DOES affect your driving skills, but, like being fatigued, you probably won't have any idea it's happening. Look at excuses wheeled out about "I think I'm actually a better driver when I've had a few puffs" and other outright lies like that. If you don't like the fact that it can be picked up in a test a couple of days later, tough. Don't do it then. Simple as that. People learned not to drink drive, and if drinking not to drive afterwards...why shouldn't potheads learn the same lesson? |
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Consider this, I can be a non drinker, can drive down the pub, have a few beers over a couple of hours and be under .05 and therefore ok to drive even though .05 to me is completely different to .05 of a seasoned drinker. Yet if I'm a seasoned smoker who doesn't feel any effect of the smoke I can be pinched on the spot. Then consider the findings in Russ's post and tell me who's the bigger risk. |
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In fact, I'm surprised I can even construct a sentence after 25 years of mind altering substance abuse... I would suggest driving above a set speed limit, driving tired, eating a burger whilst driving, having a beer or two prior, checking out the girl in the short skirt or acknowledging the beep your mobile phone just made could also impair your driving, but someone as holy as you wouldn't know I'm sure. Last edited by BENT_8; 08-02-2017 at 07:54 PM. |
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That statement pretty much defines a drug addiction. A person who cannot function on the downer of being sober. Kind of like a smoker who cannot get going without the morning cigarette, or like I used to be, I couldn't get going without the morning coffee. Completely different I get it, but it's kind of along the same track.
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Is it an addiction or a habit? I smoked cigarettes for 6 years, woke up one morning, screwed up the remains of my packet and never touched another one, did I break an addiction or a habit, i'd say the latter as it was easy as that. Pot was the same, woke up one morning and decided I was over it, did I break an addiction or a habit, again, I say the latter because it was too easy. Like I said earlier in the thread, for a seasoned smoker its not about the widely believed effect of the substance but rather the habit of lighting one up. But what would I know, I couldn't possibly be talking from life experience, I'm probably just in denial. |
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Agreed, but allowed and do are two very different things given the opportunity and that's my point.
Why have the opportunity to purchase alcohol from the drivers seat considering the risk factors involved with drink driving. I get the rules behind it, I'm just highlighting the stupidity of it really. |
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Anyhow, in my best Forrest Gump voice, 'That's all I have to say about that.'
Just thought i'd offer some real life experiences to all the shock and awe in this thread and probably created some in the process, lol. What i'd be interested in is some real life experiences from some of the countries finest who frequent these forums on the figures of deaths caused by speed versus those caused by pot smokers. Just so I can roll them out next time someone cries over their speeding fine...lol Now I'm off to tend to the pink elephant in my cupboard... |
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I have known of people to visit regular bottle shops and still crack one as soon as they get into their car. I am well aware that weed stays in your system long after the affect has worn off, but how else are police going to test the people who lit one up 20 minutes before driving over the people who did it the day before? If there was a more accurate test that can pick up people who recently smoked then fair enough, but until that test exists you have to weigh up if it's worth the risk. You should feel sorry for people who are drug tested at work. They cannot even light it up on their 3 weeks holidays because the **** test can pick it up several weeks later. |
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