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Old 13-09-2012, 01:00 PM   #61
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Capri Convertible. Their reputation was smashed from day 1 as they were built by Ford in the EA era (ie get it on sale and let the customers tell up what needs fixing), the original roof design was crap and the design was already 5 years old between the time it was drawn and when it was built. And then it went up against the MX5... no contest.

Like the EA and AU, it took a few model updates for Ford Aus to get the build and styling fixed and by the end they were the car they should have been at launch.

These days there quite a few people who like them for what they are - a cheap reliable (Laser based) drop top with room for shopping or grandkids. Nothing else comes close.

Here's one I prepared earlier... (and is for sale atm!)
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Old 13-09-2012, 01:16 PM   #62
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Lease renewal time was JUST pre-BA....Coming out of my EL XR6 on the blue side we had a AU3 XR8 220 with the lot, on the red side the VX SS2 with the lot.

I just couldn't love the AU's look even with the kit on it, the VX was still a decent looking piece of kit just conservative comparatively and it had the LS1. AU was a bit 'out there' at that stage and went to the dark side, returned next renewal for a BA turbo.

Looking around now the AU has grown on me, it ages better than a lot of designs, doesn't get old as quick. Polarised everybody, but at least it made a statement. I like them more now than then...and I reckon it's grown on many who had the same reaction in the early 2000's to them.

I'm lovin the T3 ;) If i had the dosh I'd love one.
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Old 13-09-2012, 03:58 PM   #63
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They say the AU was a design before it's time.

If anything I reckon the AU looks better now than ever! The style has become more attractive. Look at a VT Commodore and an AU, the Commodore looks aged.

I parked the AUII wagon next to a brand new TX Territory recently... even got some pix. I have to say, the AUII looks much sharper, and overall just better. I reckon the new Territory will soon look older than the AUII! The AUII was also a LOT longer. More than I expected to see, much more. Obviously the roo bar on ours makes it seem more than a standard one.

There isn't a single new car I'd replace the wagon for...
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Old 13-09-2012, 04:24 PM   #64
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AU's aside, if you want a car only a mother could love, consider the 1948-1953 Triumph Mayflower. I have a photo but can not work out how to put it in my post. almost every panel on this car was dead flat. The Vanguard of the same era was not much better. Both collectors items now
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Old 13-09-2012, 04:28 PM   #65
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AUs are HORN!



Mines not much better than that one ahahah
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Old 13-09-2012, 05:49 PM   #66
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I know this is a Ford forum but I've had a soft spot for....

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Old 13-09-2012, 05:51 PM   #67
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Old 13-09-2012, 05:59 PM   #68
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Sadly for some cars there is not enough time.........
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Old 14-09-2012, 10:32 AM   #69
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VNs are horn, we all know that.

do we????

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Old 14-09-2012, 01:42 PM   #70
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Au's look nice with rims on and lowered, but if you have the stock hub caps they don't do it for me.
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Old 14-09-2012, 05:02 PM   #71
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VNs are horn, we all know that.
wow.. really.. we couldnt wait to get rid of ours.. we traded it in on a 1964 Dodge 114 pick up.. heap better vehicle and a hell of a lot more reliable.
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Old 15-09-2012, 01:50 AM   #72
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Okay guys, love this.... if you can:


Felt dirty just posting it.
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Old 15-09-2012, 03:26 PM   #73
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Old 15-09-2012, 03:46 PM   #74
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Hmmmm....

Some of the older Jap coupes for sure. The 120Y / 180B / 200B sedans and coupes are starting to go up in value.

I sold my first car, a 76 180B for $900 just before I got the Festiva. Probably worth 3-5K now???
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Old 15-09-2012, 04:45 PM   #75
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They say the AU was a design before it's time.
Yes "they" do say that. But "they" always happen to be AU owners!

You can't honestly say it looks even a little bit like it fits in today compared with the FG or VE commodore can you?

It wasn't ahead of its time, it was just different, and not good different.
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Old 15-09-2012, 04:52 PM   #76
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Yes "they" do say that. But "they" always happen to be AU owners!

You can't honestly say it looks even a little bit like it fits in today compared with the FG or VE commodore can you?

It wasn't ahead of its time, it was just different, and not good different.
And spoken like someone who has NEVER owned one, it goes both ways
I owned 2, never said it was ahead of its time, but it has aged very well compared to the red cars of the time, fits in better now then them aswell.
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Old 15-09-2012, 05:03 PM   #77
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I dont care what anyone says about AU's ive owned a couple and both brilliant cars, the Fairmonts and XR's were good looking cars, the TE,s horn.
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Old 15-09-2012, 07:05 PM   #78
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Yes "they" do say that. But "they" always happen to be AU owners!

You can't honestly say it looks even a little bit like it fits in today compared with the FG or VE commodore can you?

It wasn't ahead of its time, it was just different, and not good different.

Not always matey. I've got plenty of non-AU owning friends who do like certain ones as well. I prefer the AUII series to all. In wagon form.

The AU styling grows on ya.
The FG is nice but it kind of lacks something... not really sure what. Just doesn't feel as good as the AUII.

VE's, no thanks. Never been a fan of them much at all. Especially dislike the interior. Main gripe there is the lack of rear passenger vision out side of the car! The window sills are too high! I got out a friend's parents one one day and had to get straight into the AUII wagon, WOW the difference!
The AU I6 engine has a great sound too.
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Old 15-09-2012, 07:27 PM   #79
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I have two AUs best cars i've ever owned!!! I dont think the utes where hated so much as the sedan and wagon. all 3 where good cars. admittedly i didnt like the series one forte "waterfall grill" but after seeing a few painted black i acutally dont mind it as much. I love both my sedan and ute!!
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I wouldn't get caught DEAD in that! OMFG!
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Old 15-09-2012, 07:45 PM   #81
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What about a Valiant? Used to be able to buy a fully loaded 360 Chrysler by Chrysler cheap as because no one wanted one, now they pull good dollars. A Chrysler Centura on the other hand, um er well......

Valiants in general are starting to command decent coin. That's not including the rare ones...ie 360 powered ones, pacers, chugs etc etc. This has only been happening in the last 5 to 10 years.

Centuras.....I love the look on peoples faces when they snicker at me driving one.....A few V8 Falcon and Crappadore drivers have had the smile wiped from their faces out on the open highway, even with a stock 245 and 4 speed....265 or V8 powered ones...That's another story: ....Just a damn shame they never came from the factory with one.....Considered too dangerous for the general public.


What makes cars desirable....rarity....People hate them when they're first released, so in time they grow on people and because not too many are around, they command dollars. No one can put a time frame on it

Oh and the P76....Owned a V8 exectutive about 20 years ago....I wish I had never sold it...Like driving your lounge chair down the highway....Sat on 130 KPH all day everyday and you hardly knew it.
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Old 15-09-2012, 11:56 PM   #82
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Yes "they" do say that. But "they" always happen to be AU owners!

You can't honestly say it looks even a little bit like it fits in today compared with the FG or VE commodore can you?

It wasn't ahead of its time, it was just different, and not good different.
I kind of agree with you except the last sentence, thats your opinion, we've got ours. AU's where ahead of their time and smart people are finding that fact now.

My factory hand finished early series 1 Futura is a keeper & is a ripper stocker, reliable, dependable, frugal yet powerful enough and is inexpensive to look after - oh yeah if your going by looks, ok im not that vain, but Mercedes didnt think they were that ugly either - imitation is the best form of flattery aye lol!

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I still firmly believe that the old logic from years back is correct...the msot desirable "ordinary" Commodore (leaving out Brock specials, etc) is a VB SL/E 4.2 four speed with disc brakes all round, with the factory optional 15" mags. Light weight, handled better than any other Australian car at the time, and had loads of equipment, some of which new cars now don't have (headlight washer-wipers for example).
Why the 253 and not the 308 engine?

EA - the tv ad where they came out of the water and drove around on the lake really made them look good.

AU - the XR8's were the lookers of the bunch (damning with faint praise). Heard rumours of Nasser wanting a rounded redesign that would appeal more to women. Ford Aus has always seemed to have a problem with it's long lived Aussie designs having to sell along side imported models with later designs. Remember that the Ka was sold alongside the Au (would've loved a Racing Puma and settled for a SportKa at the time).

Camira's - SLi 2000 sports model, half thought of getting one as my first new car back in the 80's. I'm glad that I didn't. Swayed by the bodykit, the TV ad and reliability problems with the hotted up 14 year old car that I was daily driving I guess.

Capri - would've sold good numbers if they could sell it sans airbags when the market was starved of convertibles (pre Miate/MX5)

Datsun 120y - hated them at the time, memory since clouded by a 120y based sports sedan that was matching times with a Porsche 911 RSCS at a Sandown track day in the late 90's. They were very light cars.

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Yes "they" do say that. But "they" always happen to be AU owners!

You can't honestly say it looks even a little bit like it fits in today compared with the FG or VE commodore can you?

It wasn't ahead of its time, it was just different, and not good different.

I don't own one, but it makes the VT look like a stone wheel...Even the BA looks older...


Just look at the FG, it has a lot in common with the AU then the BA...
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Old 16-09-2012, 07:40 PM   #85
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Agreed with you Nikked.

I often ask people which of our cars they reckon is newer, and many have wanted to look through, inside and out a bit. Almost every single one reckoned the AUII was newer.
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Old 17-09-2012, 12:24 PM   #86
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BA looks like a updated ED . . .

FG > AU > EF > BA > ED
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I don't get it. Some AU owners/fans argue that BAs are poor quality/looks old, seemingly as a retort to the B-series owners/fans that argue that AUs are ugly.

Sure, we all have our preferences, and mine leans towards the B-series more so than the AU, and I strongly disagree with the view that BAs are poorly built or looks old. But we are all meant to be Ford fans, right? From where I'm sitting, I think the BAs cop at least as much (if not more) of the unfair criticism that the AUs get, and I fail to understand why these two models in particular cop so much bashing from the "fans".
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I kind of agree with you except the last sentence, thats your opinion, we've got ours. AU's where ahead of their time and smart people are finding that fact now.

My factory hand finished early series 1 Futura is a keeper & is a ripper stocker, reliable, dependable, frugal yet powerful enough and is inexpensive to look after - oh yeah if your going by looks, ok im not that vain, but Mercedes didnt think they were that ugly either - imitation is the best form of flattery aye lol!

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Still is ahead of it's time in some regards.

I should have bought an AU. But I prefer the feeling of solidarity the BA has. It like's to drink though.
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