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18-06-2013, 06:00 PM | #61 | ||
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Interesting point, sergeant safety cites x number of deaths where speed was a factor...
Hello, these people didn't die because they were few kms over the limit, I bet most were way over... Just like drunk drivers in smashes, our resident ambo who has attended plenty of crashes will attest that drunk drivers who are normally way over the limit, not just 0.05... All tight limits do is catch inattentive drivers, not the dangerous ones that ignore speed limits altogether |
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18-06-2013, 06:00 PM | #62 | |||
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I am not biased whatsoever, I don't benefit from it either way. I simply see these threads popping up all the time, and as I said in my first post, it is usually about QLD and I wonder what all the fuss is about. As I said, these lower tolerances have been in place in SA for some time now, there was no big protest to it as most of us just get on with life. The fact that, despite these tighter thresholds, our revenue from traffic infringements has declined. This tells me two things, people are more considerate of their driving habits, and two, that it is possible to avoid fines even under these tighter laws. The sun will still rise tomorrow, and unless you are a habitual speeder, there is NOTHING to fear. If you are one of these guys who likes to be at the front of the pack, by all means, be my radar detector... Simple really, wether you agree or not is entirely your opinion, but lets not get hysterical. |
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18-06-2013, 06:07 PM | #63 | ||
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2 or 3km over is ridiculous used top give you 10% in modern cars a few km over is not noticable
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18-06-2013, 06:08 PM | #64 | ||
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I wonder how much traffic will drop through the Clem 7 and Airport link once drivers start getting snapped.
Maybe the government will get a clue when these two and Legacy way go broke because no one will use them... |
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18-06-2013, 06:12 PM | #65 | ||||
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The report on the news a few minutes ago said "one kilometer over and you will be fined". Anyone who can explain how the difference between 60 and 61 or 59 and 61 is going to have any impact in any way on the severity of an accident is a better man than the rest of us. Making the "tolerance" zero, or "one kph over" just makes the whole long-running scam come out into the light...it's not road safety, it's money raising. Quote:
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18-06-2013, 06:24 PM | #66 | ||
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I wonder how many of those deaths are form car theft we have had heaps of thefts up here kids range from 8 to 17 some drive towards people on the road and play chicken .
One car rolled and a good Samaritan stopped to help and they tried to steal his car http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au...8115_news.html got out on bail the same day. I am more worried about being hit by a stolen car than someone doing 1km over |
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18-06-2013, 06:35 PM | #67 | ||
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Another thing they haven't thought about is the public fury when fines start rolling in for a couple of kilometers over the limit. They will, naturally, explode in number because your speedo, even on "safe" cruise control as most people do, wanders up and down a bit depending on terrain.
The one good thing this will do is expose even more people to the scam of "every K over is a killer" which has literally nothing to do with safety but a lot to do with money raising, and turn them into firm radar/camera trap skeptics with even less respect for the powers that be who tell us we are all evil killers for daring to not stare at our speedos every minute of a trip... |
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But in recent speed blitz campaigns in my area, I have noticed radar traps/cameras set up in well known overtaking areas & overtaking lanes, this part is bad. We know what some motorists do when they drive slow, then come an overtaking lane they speed up |
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18-06-2013, 07:01 PM | #72 | |||
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You seem to have found out a lot about me from my post. Hysterical hey! Thanks for letting me know! Gee I think I'll have to get something done about that. I have no problem avoiding fines myself. That is not the issue here. The real issue about the thresholds is contained in my previous post whereby authorities continue to reap millions of dollars from motorists under false pretences and it is getting to a point where it becomes rather ludicrous that you are deemed a criminal for very minor infractions of a rule that has very little bearing on safety just to fill the coffers. Motorists are a very soft target in todays society and govts recognise this and are continuing to gouge them. It appears to me that most of the posters object to this method of making money wether they speed or not regardless of which state they live in. Just because one objects to the system does not automatically mean that a person is contributing to it by speeding as you are suggesting. Also I don't think that they are whingers for having a different opinion to the one you put forward. As you say, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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18-06-2013, 07:24 PM | #74 | |||
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what speed were you doing three week ago and where??
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18-06-2013, 07:28 PM | #75 | |||
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18-06-2013, 07:33 PM | #76 | |||
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It doesn't happen often enough to care, but when it does I man up, I don't look for someone to blame. People get all worked up over their intended purpose, do they really save lives, too hard to gauge to be honest. Do they really raise revenue, only if your silly enough to get caught. Will they all be pulled down if enough forum members complain it encroaches on their civil rights, no, so why bang on about it everytime someone mentions it. It really isn't hard to avoid them, mind you, I did post in the growing old thread...or should that read growing UP thread. |
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18-06-2013, 07:43 PM | #77 | ||
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I think you have posted the most in this thread.
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18-06-2013, 07:46 PM | #78 | ||
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18-06-2013, 08:06 PM | #80 | |||
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18-06-2013, 08:28 PM | #82 | |||
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To be honest, the word unbiased is in reference to my sport of choice, Lawn Bowls, which as im sure you would know is full of biased. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyway, I've said my bit, repeatedly even, so i'll leave you all to it. |
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18-06-2013, 09:14 PM | #83 | ||
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So the fuzz are now looking at raking in more road tax from the average road user by lowering the leeway that was originally allowed for the 10% potential error in speedos of cars made before '06 and possible set up errors and god forbid poor execution of the use of these measurement devices, not surprised, the govt. is broke and their solar tax was stillborn so a new well had to be found.
The real issue however, the issue that pi$$es most people off isn't the ambush techniques, it's not the fines and loss of points either, after all, we've gotten away with a lot more than we've been caught for, right? no, these are mere irritations, the real issue is that with the % of speed related deaths being relatively low compared to the other causes yet speed is all that is focussed on, because it's an easy sell to the wowsers and those full of righteous indignation (you know who you are) while genuinely serious safety issues are all but ignored, and often practised by the fuzz themselves! Tailgating Texting Dialing the phone E-mailing Shaving Putting on make up Eating cereal Drink/Drug driving, including morning after drunks Fatigue These are all serious safety issues that cause more deaths and permanent injuries than speeding yet they are not seriously enforced because that takes coppers in cars patrolling and that's NOT PROFITABLE.
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18-06-2013, 09:41 PM | #84 | ||
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Fatigue should be at the top of the list ! Caused by having to tailgate slow drivers in the right hand lane who are doing any/all of the other listed things.
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18-06-2013, 10:02 PM | #85 | ||
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Now that's an interesting point looney888...
What happens to all of us old-fashioned idiots who still drive cars built before 2006 (or whenever the lower tolerance for speedo error was put in the ADR's)...? Guess we'll all just sit at 10kph below the limit to be on the safe side and hold up everyone else... The lower tolerance now completely ignores the fact that a massive amount of cars are still on the road that were built and designed under the old allowance for speedo error that the ADR's allowed. They were...and still actually are...perfectly legal to have a 10% plus or minus error on their speedo. A great many people wouldn't have a GPS fitted to their car either...it's only recently I bothered putting one in my '82 Celica, and then only because I got given a "Top Gear Edition" Tomtom one as a present (To hear Clarksons soothing voice telling you that "Make a u-turn when possible...yes, you've cocked it up...pay attention..." is pure gold). The speedo in it is thankfully on the slow side...you have to sit on 105 indicated to get a genuine 100. Our 2011 Triton dual cab is way out. According to the good Navman GPS fitted in it, a genuine 100kph is an indicated 108, and a genuine 110 is an indicated 120. That's way outside the allowance that it's supposed to have according to the ADR's, but it is at least on the slow side...and this is a factory standard vehicle with factory standard sized wheels and tyres. It does however mean that if I want to get anywhere and not hold up traffic, I sit with the needle in an area where a small variation either way would see me now fined under the new perfectly safe roads we will be driving on (because hey, if people never speed, they'll never have an accident!). I used to wonder why people kept overtaking me when I first bought my 2008 GSX1400 motorbike...until I strapped a GPS to the bars and went for a ride, to find that it too was way out...a proper 100kph was an indicated 110, a proper 110 was an indicated 122... Telling people that if we stop more people speeding that the road toll will automatically drop too is just one more lie to add to the pile...and telling young drivers especially that all they have to do is never speed and they'll be extremely safe out on the road is frankly criminal... Last edited by 2011G6E; 18-06-2013 at 10:08 PM. |
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19-06-2013, 12:11 AM | #86 | ||
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And the tin hat wearing "It's all a conspiracy!!!" brigade too...don't forget those guys... full of hot air, sitting behind their computers whinging about something that they have absolutely no control or influence over... are you all going to protest and write letters to your local MPs and petition until every camera is gone? I don't think so... it's all well and good to talk the talk.
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19-06-2013, 06:53 AM | #87 | ||
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Yeah I'm wondering how it could possibly have got up to that speed!
Mind you, I remember back in the good old days of the "prime facie" speed limit in NSW my dad reaching 160 in a Morris Marshall (British 6 cyl iirc) on a country highway. It was quite a thrill. Didn't have to worry about the cops in those days unless you had an accident. Everybody here drives like zombies nowadays, no attention to what's going on around them, just watching the speed. Great achievement. |
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19-06-2013, 07:14 AM | #88 | |||
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19-06-2013, 07:55 AM | #89 | |||
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In your dreams comrade...... Sept 14 we are all about to have a lot of influence as we all do at various times every 3 or 4 years. Governments have been rolled over issues when the people have just had enough. Ask Anna Bligh or Rob Borbige what happens when you push the people too far. |
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19-06-2013, 08:13 AM | #90 | |||
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Its always the same few on here complaining about the police and there policies. The government creates the policy, the police enforce it. If the same rustic bunch of whingers had even half an idea, there would be a lot more common sense being applied and a lot less complaining.
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