Apparently this is the Commodore's replacement - Page 3

**Giant Cranium** · 05-03-2016, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Well the first Commodore was really a rejigged Opel so I guess GM Australia has done a complete circle.Must remember the first Falcon was an American copy

the only one that isn't an opel is the ve vf

P6LTD351 · 05-03-2016, 04:42 PM

Calling the previous Commodores Opels...is a bit of a stretch. Yes they were based on them...but the XD was also based on the Granada. They weren't a straight badge swap like these will be. Holden was alive back then. Come 2017...they are truly dead. Ford is Ford all around the world.

**Fordman1** · 05-03-2016, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by P6LTD351

Calling the previous Commodores Opels...is a bit of a stretch. Yes they were based on them...but the XD was also based on the Granada. They weren't a straight badge swap like these will be. Holden was alive back then. Come 2017...they are truly dead. Ford is Ford all around the world.

The XD shared styling queues with the Granada but had no common parts.

It was basically a reskinned XC.

tranquilized · 05-03-2016, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tempted

Oh really? How long were they lining up for?

Geez man, so the guy used the wrong spelling, did you have any other point to make?

My memory might be wrong but the XD may have had the same headlights as a Granada. Other than that it was just Ford milking what was at the time a very successful style.

The first gen Commodore was based on and looked almost identical to the Opel E series Rekord/ A series Senator but (unfortunately) had aussie engines.

The VN was a parts-bin special slapped together by an almost broke Holden based on a widened Senator B with a Buick boat anchor masquerading as an engine.

The VT was a widened Opel Omega B.

The VE was the first entirely Australian engineered Commodore and something of which we should be proud.

The next gen Commodore will be an imported badge engineered Opel with a completely different drive train configuration and will appeal to an entirely different market than the current Commodore does. It'll compete with the Mondeo and the Mazda 6, and as we know market segment regularly returns dismal sales numbers.

GM insisting on calling this new car a Commodore is a slap in the face, and while I have no doubt it'll sell in higher numbers than it's competition due to the blinkered Holden faithful, it won't ever come close to the current Commodores already reduced sales numbers.

/end history (and future?) lesson.

MethodX · 05-03-2016, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

you don't like aston martins?

to me its like saying margot robbie is rough.

No I dislike them a whole lot.
They are English. the anglo ****** special.
the company has been passed around more than a London slapper.
They call their cars DB, when David Brown hasn't been involved with the company since the early 70's.

give me Ferrari,Porsche or Maserati anytime.

MethodX · 05-03-2016, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by P6LTD351

Calling the previous Commodores Opels...is a bit of a stretch. Yes they were based on them...but the XD was also based on the Granada. They weren't a straight badge swap like these will be. Holden was alive back then. Come 2017...they are truly dead. Ford is Ford all around the world.

Semantics.... GM is GM all round the world.

MethodX · 05-03-2016, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by P6LTD351

Are you and Tempted girlfriends or the same person? Fact is...the next Commodore is FWD...sure the performance variants MAY be 4WD...but the damage is done. It's not a Holden and it's not a Commodore. I can remove my Falcon badge and stick a Mustang badge on it. Still not a Mustang. LS1 Forums getting boring these days??? Or is it sour grapes that there will not be a HOLDEN V8. Even if Corvette or Camaro come over here...they will be Chevs...not Holden. The Holden V8 is dead.

No I'm me. the non crusty ford bogan from 77
There is ALREADY 4wd twin turbo variants of the Insignia.
Fwd will be ok for a fleet special.

The Falcon is dead, doesn't stop you lot goin on.
GM will go on in some form.
semantics again.... gm is gm is gm... ffs..

**GasoLane** · 05-03-2016, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Semantics....

Yep, semantics indeed.

Enzo Ferrari hasn't been around since 1988

Ferdinand Porsche hasn't been around since 1951

Alfieri Maserati hasn't been around since 1932.

Your point being....?

MethodX · 05-03-2016, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

Yep, semantics indeed.

Enzo Ferrari hasn't been around since 1988

Ferdinand Porsche hasn't been around since 1951

Alfieri Maserati hasn't been around since 1932.

Your point being....?

Who owns them.
Ferrari and Maserati are still Italian owned..Porsche are still German owned.
Aston Martin have been passed around from company to company, all their cars look like munted Jaguars from the early 90's.

But hey you lot like them... so enjoy.

mtbkym01 · 06-03-2016, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

No I'm me. the non crusty ford bogan from 77
There is ALREADY 4wd twin turbo variants of the Insignia.
Fwd will be ok for a fleet special.

The Falcon is dead, doesn't stop you lot goin on.
GM will go on in some form.
semantics again.... gm is gm is gm... ffs..

You're delusional if you think the commodore is not dead, slapping the name on something else doesn't keep it alive.

You say GM will go on, um so do I think that Ford will go on...ffs Ford is not dying with the Falcon name.

Time you changed your avatar pic

mtbkym01 · 06-03-2016, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Semantics.... GM is GM all round the world.

Yes GM is GM all around the world, Holden exists no where else!! Or is that not clear

MethodX · 06-03-2016, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mtbkym01

Yes GM is GM all around the world, Holden exists no where else!! Or is that not clear

Who cares? as long as the parent company survives.
Or is Ford magically mega cooler because it has less divisions?

Never mind it shut a few itself... like Mercury, Edsel.. Merkur.

MethodX · 06-03-2016, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mtbkym01

You're delusional if you think the commodore is not dead, slapping the name on something else doesn't keep it alive.

You say GM will go on, um so do I think that Ford will go on...ffs Ford is not dying with the Falcon name.

Time you changed your avatar pic

Why change my av?
I am a Ford fan... just not a fan of some ford fans.

P6LTD351 · 06-03-2016, 02:40 PM

Semantics??? An example....Holden were a company making cars (albeit for others) prior to GM purchasing them, right? SO they were their own company, right? GM bought them and are now basically SHUTTING them down. If you think that just beacuse they may make Holden badges to slap on cars means that Holden as a proper car company still exists post 2017 then you are dreaming.

Ford is a Ford EVERYWHERE. Ford can shutdown Ford AUS, and Ford still exists. THAT'S the difference. Only semantics? I think not!

falconhell74 · 06-03-2016, 02:59 PM

Butt fugly

DoreSlamR · 06-03-2016, 03:08 PM

It'll look great with a Chev badge slapped on it!

Actually I'm surprised the commodore replacement isn't a Daewoo.

Road Games · 06-03-2016, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by russellw

The public will buy it for the same reason they buy the Cruze which is hardly a world beater by any standards you care to apply.

Cheers
Russ

Oh i don't know Russ ?

This one would certainly take some beating

RANGEREST · 06-03-2016, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DAZZLR

Oh i don't know Russ ?

This one would certainly take some beating

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Wow, some people just dont get it do they,
That is awful!

**Fordman1** · 06-03-2016, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RANGEREST

Wow, some people just dont get it do they,
That is awful!

I'm tipping there is at least one person here that thinks that is great !

FPV GTHO · 06-03-2016, 07:31 PM

Looks like they've tried to donk it out

Dezza · 06-03-2016, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DAZZLR

Oh i don't know Russ ?

This one would certainly take some beating

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Wow. They've somehow made it even uglier!

Falcman0o7 · 06-03-2016, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DAZZLR

Oh i don't know Russ ?

This one would certainly take some beating

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Sadly I can see this being a common sighting in a few years by P platers.

Falcman0o7 · 06-03-2016, 08:11 PM

Since the 70's the commodore has been a aussie hit and that cannot be denied.
V8s, worked 6's, Turbo 6's and all rear wheel drive.
They are race cars, drag cars and show cars ect.
An imported front wheel drive car is NOT a commodore as we know it, so the commodore IS BLOODY DEAD!!!

MethodX · 07-03-2016, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by P6LTD351

Semantics??? An example....Holden were a company making cars (albeit for others) prior to GM purchasing them, right? SO they were their own company, right? GM bought them and are now basically SHUTTING them down. If you think that just beacuse they may make Holden badges to slap on cars means that Holden as a proper car company still exists post 2017 then you are dreaming.

Ford is a Ford EVERYWHERE. Ford can shutdown Ford AUS, and Ford still exists. THAT'S the difference. Only semantics? I think not!

Talk about strawman... going back to when Holdens were a coach builder...
Holden and Ford Aus are simply the Australian divisions of yank multinationals.

Both companies will go on, GM and Ford... so that's good for all.

If the Commodore name is put on a twin turbo V6 Insignia then great, bring it on.

Vesper Martini · 07-03-2016, 04:19 PM

So will it be ok if Ford put the Falcon Badge on this twin turbo V6 AWD?

http://www.caradvice.com.au/408180/2...lines-changes/

castellan · 07-03-2016, 04:46 PM

Kingswood ran from 1968 to 1984
Commodore 1978 to 2016

I think it's about time to call it a Insignia you can't call a front wheel drive a Commodore.

And get rid of the Holden name, it's not a Holden at all.

Opel sounds classier not to mention Holden were always claiming that they were following Europe like BMW at times.

Chevrolet sound like rubbish even the yanks turn their noes up at that as just junk.

Tassie f100 · 07-03-2016, 04:59 PM

Well Holden has been rebadging for years.What about all the Isuzus they rebadged,Holden Gemini,Rodeo Jackeroo,Astra etc etc.Barina which was Isuzu then Opel now?

Dr Terry · 07-03-2016, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DoreSlamR

It'll look great with a Chev badge slapped on it!

Actually I'm surprised the commodore replacement isn't a Daewoo.

Daewoo hasn't existed since 2001 when it was taken over by GM, although the they still used the name in the Korea domestic market. They finally got rid of the name in 2011 when it became GM Korea.

The last Holden to have any Daewoo origin was the old TK Barina, which could trace its roots back to the Daewoo Kalos.

All imported Holdens today are purely GM products from either Europe, Korea, North America or Thailand.

Dr Terry

MethodX · 07-03-2016, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

So will it be ok if Ford put the Falcon Badge on this twin turbo V6 AWD?

http://www.caradvice.com.au/408180/2...lines-changes/

It would, if the Falcon name had any cachet left with the public ... besides the people on here.
Dump the Mondeo name and go with Fusion... sounds more dynamic.

Blem · 09-03-2016, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Well done by Russ to delete the Holden trolls' post.

The troll has nothing to add here.

The Mondeo is a good looking car - I think the hatch is a bit too swoopy through the tailgate though. Just my opinion.

I prefer the look of the Mondeo to the FGX at the front & side. The lights are bulkier.
The FGX Sprint looks good from the rear with the chrome strip painted out.