June 2013 Sales Figures

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by BroadyFord

Let's all get behind the Camry! Only locally-made car with any prospects of a future!

And its the only locally made car built off older Toyota / Lexus platforms (unlike the Falcon & Commodore).

Camry = Kit car! LOL

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I have a feeling that the V6 petrol is being dropped because of poor sales, buyers want diesel.

I'm not surprised, once hired one with box body on the back and the fuel economy, or should I say fuel addiction stunned me into poverty.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I'm not surprised, once hired one with box body on the back and the fuel economy, or should I say fuel addiction stunned me into poverty.

Like old Falcon V8s being drive hard, you could almost see the fuel needle moving lower...

[ravenhard]

Originally Posted by borough

The V6 in the Hilux is being discontinued.

The V6 is not being discontinued. Some variants of the hilux that come with the v6 and don't sell much is being discontinued. So much misinformation here!

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/t...627-2oz8f.html

The models that contribute to the bulk of V6 HiLux sales - the 4x2 V6 extra-cab pick-up SR (auto), 4x2 V6 double-cab pick-up SR and SR5 (auto), and the 4x4 V6 double-cab pick-up SR5 (auto) - have been retained.

[duaned]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I'd have to disagree on the "better to drive", I still think the VW T5 is the best drive and throw 800kg in the back and a trailer carrying a 1200kg load so nearing 4500 GMV and it doesn't raise a sweat and still gets 12L/100km. Sure the VW is expensive to maintain however when you're in the drivers seat 8 hours a day I'll take the German any day.

+1. Fully agree here. I have a 2012 T5 myself and I found it a lot better to drive than the Iload. Just more refined and car-like to drive. I personally didn't bother with a Hiace, they are as boring as a box of rocks.

[GQ_Smooth]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I'd have to disagree on the "better to drive", I still think the VW T5 is the best drive and throw 800kg in the back and a trailer carrying a 1200kg load so nearing 4500 GMV and it doesn't raise a sweat and still gets 12L/100km. Sure the VW is expensive to maintain however when you're in the drivers seat 8 hours a day I'll take the German any day.

I've personally never driven the VW offering, only going on what our techs/mechanics tell me (I'll take your word on it being a better drive), we had VW's 3+ years ago. The reliability and maintenance expenses was astronomical, only the Renault was worse with reliability. We would constantly have vans off the road waiting on parts from Germany 2-3 weeks on average (working in a similar industry I can get a part from Sweden to Melbourne within 3 working days on a warranty issues, 2-3 weeks for a stocked item overseas is not acceptable customer service, I know what my customers would tell me if I told them that, I cannot reward this lever of service with continued business). I don't want to bad mouth a brand due to my bad experience, but a lot of things need to change before I put my lively hood in VW Australia's hands.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

The sales figures dont lie though... People will believe what they are lead to. Ford cant supply enough Rangers, they will never sell 5000 per month with their current allocation from Thailand.

This part annoys me. This was been the story for 12-18 months!! When is it going to get better & if there is no increased allocation coming anytime soon, why in gods names can't they build this thing in Melbourne?

I'm sick to death of hearing supply issues when Ford is closing a plant here in Australia that could be helping with supply!!

Ford talks about the cost of building stuff here, what about the cost of losing sales because you can't supply enough cars?

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

This part annoys me. This was been the story for 12-18 months!! When is it going to get better & if there is no increased allocation coming anytime soon,

Apparently the wait for certain ranger models is getting worse.

[Pepscobra]

Falcon and Territory numbers anyone please?
I'll hazard a guess and say Falcon 960 and Terry 1300.

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

This part annoys me. This was been the story for 12-18 months!! When is it going to get better & if there is no increased allocation coming anytime soon, why in gods names can't they build this thing in Melbourne?

I'm sick to death of hearing supply issues when Ford is closing a plant here in Australia that could be helping with supply!!

Ford talks about the cost of building stuff here, what about the cost of losing sales because you can't supply enough cars?

Better to move every unit you have and miss out on some sales, than to have stock sitting around.

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I have a feeling that the V6 petrol is being dropped because of poor sales, buyers want diesel.

According to this poll here, 34% of ute buyers still want petrol:

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/t...627-2oz8f.html

Seems like the Ford Ranger is missing out on a huge chunk of sales there.

As also mentioned in the article, the V6 engine is *not* being discontinued, so the Hilux continues to offer the broadest range of models.

[SumoDog68]

Hilux sells on reputation. It is a long running nameplate that represents toughness , ruggedness and reliability . Toyota dealership coverage is great , cars are popular which in turn means there is lot of aftermarket support for it as well. Current Hilux is technologically behind the leaders in the segment but it is still a best seller . Imagine what will happen once they introduce a new model with up to date engines and transmissions ...

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by MrZ

According to this poll here, 34% of ute buyers still want petrol:

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/t...627-2oz8f.html

Seems like the Ford Ranger is missing out on a huge chunk of sales there.

Ranger comes with a petrol motor...

[BroadyFord]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

Falcon and Territory numbers anyone please?
I'll hazard a guess and say Falcon 960 and Terry 1300.

I'd say Falcon >700 and Terri >1000

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Ranger comes with a petrol motor...

I never said it didn't. But without an automatic or V6, it's petrol engine is largely a failure. Even compared to Hilux's 2.7L, it's weak. Too bad, considering they could have used the brilliant V6 Ecoboost.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Ranger comes with a petrol motor...

But isn't that a 2.5L 4 cylinder?

I'm just wondering if Ranger is missing out on sales without a decent sized petrol engine in it, like the Cyclone V6, direct injection is available and in the standard form, I think is good for 200kw and 340nm. Would probably respond well to LPG as well.

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

But isn't that a 2.5L 4 cylinder?

I'm just wondering if Ranger is missing out on sales without a decent sized petrol engine in it, like the Cyclone V6, direct injection is available and in the standard form, I think is good for 200kw and 340nm. Would probably respond well to LPG as well.

Good engine but the V6 Ecoboost is even better, with 270 kW and 569 Nm and using only a little more fuel than the Cyclone, which has only 377 Nm.

[XR Martin]

Amorak, Triton, Navara, Colorado nor Dmax come with a high spec petrol motor either.

I imagine there is a possibility that the Ranger might get an Ecoboost at its next update?
But it would probably be the new 2.3L engine, I doubt we'll see the V6.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by MrZ

Good engine but the V6 Ecoboost is even better, with 270 kW and 569 Nm and using only a little more fuel than the Cyclone, which has only 377 Nm.

Fleet and courier operators don't want an expensive twin turbo petrol engine to license, insure and run. And purchase for that matter. If it had to be an Ecoboost, they would be better off with the 2.7 that is in development.

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Amorak, Triton, Navara, Colorado nor Dmax come with a high spec petrol motor either.

I imagine there is a possibility that the Ranger might get an Ecoboost at its next update?
But it would probably be the new 2.3L engine, I doubt we'll see the V6.

But look at their sales compared with the Hilux - it's Hilux first, daylight second, and everybody else (without a V6) third.

I don't care if the Ranger has a V6 or not, I'd buy the 3.2 diesel if I was buying, I just want the Ranger to knock the Hilux off it's perch. Even better if it was made here.

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Fleet and courier operators don't want an expensive twin turbo petrol engine to license, insure and run. And purchase for that matter. If it had to be an Ecoboost, they would be better off with the 2.7 that is in development.

That's just the thing. Whoever is first in introducing a performance V6 engine will gain sales from private buyers / personal users. Utes in this country still have such a fleet stigma. At least 9 out of 10 I see on the road have some sort of company name on them or are obviously used by businesses. A 10 year old ute is not exactly a popular choice for a P plater, but with a 270 kW V6 in it and some sporty styling? I see it taking off.

As for why Hilux sells - it has proven long-term reliability. The new Ranger has only been out for 2 years so who knows how it will fare in the long term? The Ranger name itself has only been out for 6 years, which is not even as long as the current generation Hilux.

[Road_Warrior]

Why weren't the figures rdmr posted left in?

EDIT:

Falcon 1169
Falcon ute 602
Territory 1574.

Blam.

[Pepscobra]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Falcon 1169
Falcon ute 602
Territory 1574.

Awesome, much better than expected!

[Smoke Pursuit]

Yep falcon had a good month considering!!

[Pepscobra]

At this rate of $3,500 units/month, could this justify Ford continuing with local production?
so much uncertainty in the future, especially with the $AUD. Imports could easily become more expensive, making the locals that bit more competitive.

[XtRmn8]

Any numbers on the rest of the Ford range?

[GQ_Smooth]

Never thought I'd see the day when 1100 falcon sales per month was a relatively good month.

Fingers crossed it holds up till the update.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

Never thought I'd see the day when 1100 falcon sales per month was a relatively good month.

Fingers crossed it holds up till the update.

EOFY. So it normally spikes in June as Ford put money into deals so they can get rid of them. Expect to go back to 700,400 for Falcon/Ute.

[GQ_Smooth]

Good point, never saw any advertising for EOFY on the Falcons (just the Euro's), so didn't think they had any special deals available.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

Never thought I'd see the day when 1100 falcon sales per month was a relatively good month.

Fingers crossed it holds up till the update.

A couple of motoring crapmakers claimed that after the closure announcement, people started making a run on dealers to order Falcons. There could be some truth in that, but I think EOFY incentives probably had more to do with it than anything.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

Good point, never saw any advertising for EOFY on the Falcons (just the Euro's), so didn't think they had any special deals available.

5 year factory warranty with both Sedan and ute.

This month is free servicing for 3 years OR 45,000k's for both ute and sedan.