Ford media coverage today - Thur 15th Nov 2012

[DMXR6T]

Jobs are being lost everywhere in Australia. It is a sad fact that the cost of doing business in Australia is too high with IR laws, federal taxes, state taxes, work cover costs and laws. Why would anyone bother manufacturing in Australia. You are treated like a criminal and with most state work cover laws you are automatically guilty and can be gaoled unless you prove yourself innocent. All manufacturers are better off importing and not dealing with the grief of local manufacturing.

I am in the process of moving my IT business to Singapore where business is appreciated and encouraged. Do not like it but..... have to. Plenty of other Aussies over here doing the same thing. Amazing comparing the way that the two governments treat business. Full employment in Singapore and a good standard of living,

I do my best and buy Australian made where possible (XR6T) but the options are going away.

Very annoying as there is/was plenty of talent in Australia. I hope that all of Australia wakes up.

[DJR David]

Interesting the workers pictured in the Joe Hockey ABC story are with their Toyotas.........

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

http://www.news.com.au/business/comp...-1226518039673
Joe Hockey not wanting to buy Australian cars either. Some interesting comments at the bottom of the page to............

Oh dear god. When things get this bad that articles like this are written. I stare in amazement at the gross ignorance of the Australian consumer. What complete morons. Those "comments" say it all. "We brought a new Kia Cerrito". Well yes you did bring one, they let you do that once you have BOUGHT one. And there is no such thing as a Kia Cerrito... not that you'd know having laid down all that money for one... but yeah, it's a Cerato, and I don't even like Kia. Where is the song; "Don't want to be an Australian idiot"?

And Joe Hockey... what a fat useless **** he is. Using Ford's workforce redundancies as a way to push his parties agenda. Low-life.

I sir am an Australian. And I do want an Australian car... I just can't afford because I live in one of the most expensive places in the world. Lot's of my money goes to making you even fatter.

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

The problem with sunrise this morning was that hundreds of thousands watch and listen and take it as fact...

Kochie said the Falcon was only selling a few hundred a month - yes, we know that's wrong but he influences a much much wider audience than this forum.

Joe Hockey also confirmed (again) the Libs plan to cut $500 million from govt. subsidies for the local industry.

Labours Tony Burke had the perfect opportunity to respond while talking about the need for green cars: he could have talked about the Ecoboost and Lpi Falcons that were developed with the govt. subsidy but didn't....

Sunrise made it sound like these were a new round of cuts. Kochie then blurts out that the Falcon isn't selling: this creates the smell of death around the car, precisely what killed the Mitsubishi 380.

Yep. Kick Ford while they're down, tell some lies, make it seem more dire... then throw in the marketing line that your party is going to cut this now perceived 'wasted' money. And Tony Burke... yeah, what a burke. The Camry-Hybrid is no sales success. But maybe being a Minister of Government gives you expertise and insight into car manufacturing that other don't have. (not)

Despicable.

Sorry for ranting.

[Bossxr8]

I noticed that the news report on the Today show this morning had a headline that read "Ford shuts Geelong plant". Since when?

Did they get that wrong or was it meant to say "shut for the day". Or did they deliberately do it to make the story seem bigger than it was.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I noticed that the news report on the Today show this morning had a headline that read "Ford shuts Geelong plant". Since when?

Did they get that wrong or was it meant to say "shut for the day". Or did they deliberately do it to make the story seem bigger than it was.

Yeah don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. Our nations media is morally depraved.

[nstg8a]

Whatever happened to media watch?

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by DJR David

Interesting the workers pictured in the Joe Hockey ABC story are with their Toyotas.........

I noticed the same thing. Very telling.

[Auslandau]

Please try and keep the politics out of it? Discuss things in a general manner of course based on the topic at hand but keep political views out of it.

[mik]

Originally Posted by DMXR6T

Jobs are being lost everywhere in Australia. It is a sad fact that the cost of doing business in Australia is too high with IR laws, federal taxes, state taxes, work cover costs and laws. Why would anyone bother manufacturing in Australia. You are treated like a criminal and with most state work cover laws you are automatically guilty and can be gaoled unless you prove yourself innocent. All manufacturers are better off importing and not dealing with the grief of local manufacturing.

I am in the process of moving my IT business to Singapore where business is appreciated and encouraged. Do not like it but..... have to. Plenty of other Aussies over here doing the same thing. Amazing comparing the way that the two governments treat business. Full employment in Singapore and a good standard of living,

I do my best and buy Australian made where possible (XR6T) but the options are going away.

Very annoying as there is/was plenty of talent in Australia. I hope that all of Australia wakes up.

Agree with you, it's not just ozzy car companies and their workers doing it hard it's many companies, with the exception of well fed over paid politicians, most of us know someone that has been given the bullet or are about to get it
my young brother is interstate working this week as computer tech getting the company's network ready to move major operations to manilla, the company has already let go many workers, little brother knows his days are numbered too.
Best wishes to those who lost their livelyhood.

[The G6ET Spot]

Originally Posted by Sinead Phipps

As for Sunrise, their report this morning is odd - and at odds with their news report last night. Channel 7 has all the facts (and used them in their nightly news) so there's absolutely no excuse for getting it so wrong this morning.

They have a very good excuse. As they are a pair of dribblers that have no idea.

Beats me why people watch them.

[GCRXR6]

Originally Posted by DMXR6T

Jobs are being lost everywhere in Australia. It is a sad fact that the cost of doing business in Australia is too high with IR laws, federal taxes, state taxes, work cover costs and laws. Why would anyone bother manufacturing in Australia. You are treated like a criminal and with most state work cover laws you are automatically guilty and can be gaoled unless you prove yourself innocent. All manufacturers are better off importing and not dealing with the grief of local manufacturing.

I am in the process of moving my IT business to Singapore where business is appreciated and encouraged. Do not like it but..... have to. Plenty of other Aussies over here doing the same thing. Amazing comparing the way that the two governments treat business. Full employment in Singapore and a good standard of living,

I do my best and buy Australian made where possible (XR6T) but the options are going away.

Very annoying as there is/was plenty of talent in Australia. I hope that all of Australia wakes up.

Sorry Moderator I realise this takes away from the main core, but I wish to comment.

So, the cost of doing business in can be reduced if you take away - "IR laws, federal taxes, state taxes, work cover costs and laws" .. so employers can work employees 18 hours a day, with no safety in the workplace, no protection for loss of employment due to injury in a dangerous workplace..... I like your thinking.

" moving my IT business to Singapore where business is appreciated and encouraged." --- Where workers have no rights in the workplace, are treated as lower class slaves.

Full employment in Singapore and a good standard of living ... by whose standard?

Will you halve the price of your IT product/service after your move to a "lower cost country?" I doubt it. The "Aussie Icon" Bonds didn't after they moved. I had always purchased their Australian made products, but now I think twice, because the products are still the same price .. actually they've gone up. Bond's are an exapmle ... there are others also.

Have fun in Singapore.

Now ... back to the topic. A sad day indeed. We had warning and knew it was comming. Pleasing that the numbers weren't as high as planned, but still sad for the guys that had to go. Let's hope they find a job soon.

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by Terry Turbo

The sad facts are that no-one is going to buy an Ecoboost Falcon if they do not know it exists!

Ford need to promote the Falcon, but they don't seem to want to.

We see Focus ads, Fiesta ads and I am getting bloody sick of the Ranger ads.

I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE AD FOR THE I4 FALCON!!!

No, the sad fact is that FOA don't accept that very few buyers are interested in a 4-cylinder Falcon.

[cobramania]

Don't know if anyones mentioned this before, but on the News was the Ford shop steward saying they need a new model to survive past 2016. These latest job cuts are supposedly because the large cars (Falcon & Terry) aren't selling & production is low?

Now, last week I saw a finace report that said people are buying new cars & in the past 12 months, SUV's have been the biggest sellers.

Now, what am I missing or what's wrong with this story?

If SUV's are the biggest sellers & people are buying new cars, why aren't the Terries running out the doors, with local production high?
Is it just some Australian made garbage sentiment, a Ford dislike in General sentiment, are they just priced too high, or is it a total lack of promotion from Ford?

Where's the problem lie & what can be done before it's too late.

The Rangers are obviously selling well, I'm seeing them all over the place. I'm actually starting to see more Rangers on the roads than Hilux's, but they're not locally made. What's the problem with the local build models?

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by cobramania

If SUV's are the biggest sellers & people are buying new cars, why aren't the Terries running out the doors, with local production high?
Is it just some Australian made garbage sentiment, a Ford dislike in General sentiment, are they just priced too high, or is it a total lack of promotion from Ford?

Where's the problem lie & what can be done before it's too late.

The Rangers are obviously selling well, I'm seeing them all over the place. I'm actually starting to see more Rangers on the roads than Hilux's, but they're not locally made. What's the problem with the local build models?

1. Rust
2. Resale
3. The competition is better.

[usernametaken]

In today's materialistic world, people judge by the amount of 'things' are in their car.

'Ohhhh, it's got heated and cooled seats'

Unfortunately, Australian made cars don't have 'things'

It's just like the 'no permeate' crap that some milk company decided to flog off to the masses.

[Pepscobra]

My thoughts are with the people that lost their jobs yesterday.
Well done to those who will continue to build the best Aussie made cars, keep the moral high. Long live the Australian made Fords...!

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

My thoughts are with the people that lost their jobs yesterday.
Well done to those who will continue to build the best Aussie made cars, keep the moral high. Long live the Australian made Fords...!

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And this is what the thread should be about.

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Now for the 3rd time this isn't a political thread, either the threads stays within the genral topic of the OP's first post or we will give warnings.

[KIWI-1]

True, I'm sure all here feel for those who have lost their jobs, but isn't it valid to also discuss WHY they have lost their jobs?

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

True, I'm sure all here feel for those who have lost their jobs, but isn't it valid to also discuss WHY they have lost their jobs?

this thread is about the media not as to why

If you are so worried about why start a thread about it

All you have been in this thread is negative about ford and their ways about things

Ford have been up front about it all and put it up for voluntary redundancies and when that didn't get the numbers they had to make the hard choice as to who was to go

I would not like to have to make those choices

I commend Ford au for the way they handled it all

As for product well we just have to wait and see what they come up with in the next few years

They have now released that the number of people they have on board is what they believe is the right number for the production/sales they have atm and if it improves then they will look at what to do at that time

We all hope for bigger and better times for ford au and the future ( I HOPE will and can only get better ) if the numnutts in the media get off the ford is stuffed side of things and let ford get on with what they are here to do



Sorry for my rant spooly but sitting back and seeing some of the comments here make me mad we are supposed to be ford supporters but of late all I see are people like Kiwi bagging them out just irratates me

Jason

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by Jason[98.EL]

this thread is about the media not as to why

So if that's the case we shouldn't express our sympathy for those who have lost their jobs either?

[KW XRT]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Kochie and Co on Sunrise were particularly harsh...

I was disappointed with the focus on the negative,how they harped about the large car industry in a dive on one hand then said that 300 000 suv have been sold.I stand $%^^^^ if a falcon is not a better financial investment than an Suv.Further they failed to mention that the eco boost falcon is poles ahead of any opposition in economy and power and size.

[tezxr8man]

Originally Posted by ESP

So........ This is where it's at
People are still buying new cars....the issue is the decline of Ford specific sales.
Have Ford been surveying their customers or potential customers to find out why....specifically. Surely you need to do this in order to have an idea about what products you need to be building / importing that suits the local market / demographic ?

If its the fact that most people want small 4 cylinder cars.....why isn't there more of the Focus on the road ?

Methinks people may have moved on from the Ford brand more than anything else.....

Feel sorry for all those affected by the retrenchments ..... Have been in this poistion once and I know what it's like.....especially getting the news around Christmas time.

most people don't know what they want, for instance selling a falcon because it uses too much fuel then buying a v8 cruiser

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by tezxr8man

most people don't know what they want, for instance selling a falcon because it uses too much fuel then buying a v8 cruiser

Like a stupid friend of my wife's, Who sold her Territory because it used too much fuel (yes, the ONLY excuse why) which I checked her trip computer as being an avg of 11.8L/100km!!!!

To buy a Brand new Mitsubishi ASX. Probably lost $20k in the transaction (selling the Territory for less than she paid, then adding money for the ASX) which could have bought fuel for the rest of her life at the km she travelled.

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

So if that's the case we shouldn't express our sympathy for those who have lost their jobs either?

no that is what the media coverage is about not what the cars have or dont have

there is a big difference between the two

Jason

[SpoolMan]

Ford PR post on the Forum thereby getting on the front foot sharing information to get there message over to the members on this Forum and some of you are more interested in boosting your post count than contributing within the OP's topic.

If you have question or comment thats not related to the topic use your PM function rather than filling the thread with repeated nonsense.

Hers a link that I recommend you read because at times it gets updated.
http://www.fordforums.com.au/announcement.php?f=2&a=2

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by cobramania

If SUV's are the biggest sellers & people are buying new cars, why aren't the Terries running out the doors, with local production high?
Is it just some Australian made garbage sentiment, a Ford dislike in General sentiment, are they just priced too high, or is it a total lack of promotion from Ford?

Where's the problem lie & what can be done before it's too late.

The Rangers are obviously selling well, I'm seeing them all over the place. I'm actually starting to see more Rangers on the roads than Hilux's, but they're not locally made. What's the problem with the local build models?

Terri's output is restricted on the ford line as it takes longer to build then a Falcon/Ute. Apparently this latest down balance is meant to make it a bit more flexible. Also the Terri is actually selling well and was the No 1 SUV last year. I think its no 3 this year behind the two Toyota's.

The jacked up Utes are more popular now then the local utes as you can get duel cab versions and they can go more places then the locals. Its funny that the RTV was supposedly cut not to impose on the Ranger. But now they cannot supply enough Rangers. I would like to see an RTV style Falcon ute back. It wouldn't even need a diff lock, just get it to the same height, LSD and get the traction setup for more offroad stuff. Call it a tradesman. Might breath some life in the ute and cause some overtime at Broady.

[zilo]

In Saturday's Geelong advertiser they did an interview with 3 management staff at the plant who claim that when the latest govt handouts run out it will be "all over for them".

........Whatever that means?

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Ugg

In Saturday's Geelong advertiser they did an interview with 3 management staff at the plant who claim that when the latest govt handouts run out it will be "all over for them".

........Whatever that means?

Well...


for one, they probally interveiwd the groundskeepr manager...


and the Gov handouts have already been spent...on developing the 2014 Falcon, that will see atleast 4 years of FU falcon.

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by blk6t

Although, it would have been good Sinead to ask Koshie what car he drives and whether he supports Australian manufacturing...but I think you did the best you could, in any interview the interviewer is generally in control. Good Job!!!

He drives a 1967 Ford Mustang with a Chevrolet V8 Engine under the bonnet.....

http://67mustangblog.com/2012/01/dav...style-mustang/

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by SteveJH

He drives a 1967 Ford Mustang with a Chevrolet V8 Engine under the bonnet.....

http://67mustangblog.com/2012/01/dav...style-mustang/

Does it have a chev badge?