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Tragic stuff.
Odds on the whole Gold Rush County area is torn down. The old Eureka mountain train has been closed for 10 years. The 2 flume rides that form part of this area are very aged. The rest of the park is pretty good. (sans engineer fatigue concerns on the tower/drop set up) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-2...mworld/7965296 Raft removal. Got pretty chewed up.
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I just hope if it happens to be a maintenance cause, it was instructed, not just lazy. By that I mean, when doing some work at the mechanics where we get out work cars serviced I asked why they only change 1 tyre at a time. The response was because the quote got called in, 1 is legal, the other isn't, so we were told to only change 1. The other instance was my managers hi lux with warped front disks and shot pads. The call was yes it will pass rego with pads and there is enough meat on the rotors, the vibration won't fail rego if it stops ok. new pads no machined disks. All of that is instructed by my boss. I have many other issues with work car maint, but I won't digress. The mechanics only did what they were told to make it legal at the time. In a month who knows? It's cheaping out to the max, but it's no fault to the technician. Had it been something silly like the bloke wanting to knock off early on a friday, thats just negligent.
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Imagine how many people have been through there since 1987
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Stacks! It's a ride that families can go on together. I havn't been on it, but been on some similar ones in the states. I watch international news and it made headlines on all the major carriers.
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I think that is because it is a genuine disaster due to no fault of the patrons. It would be different if some drunk guy decided to stand up and stacked it over the side got minced.
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Absolutely. And there's probably amusement parks globally that have a similar design/layout/maintenance like this ride - they will ensure this never happens again.
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I was not there, but I can see a few people blaming DW for this (probably without knowing the facts either), may be it was just an accident?? Just because people die does not instantly make it someone's fault. That ride has been operating since 1987, that's nearly 30 years, so it certainly is not a death trap as such.
Who knows what went wrong and if it was even a maintenance issue? I guess that is what the investigation will hopefully ascertain.[/QUOTE] When someone dies or gets injured it is always someones fault.Whether it be a maintenance problem,an operater misjudgement or plain inattention someone caused the incident not accident,there really is no such thing as an accident,someone caused it through their wrong doing. |
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I hope things don't go over the top in the future. I will reference the defunct wonderland. the pirate ship would be booring if it only went to 45 degrees not 360, the space probe would be a sight seeing trip if it didn't do the gravity drop with the electro magnet brakes. I just remembered a conversation I had years ago with one of the old bloke's I work with. he was at the time the night maintenance guy at luna park. This was after the ghost train burnt down. He spoke candidly about fuses that would blow time after time, and his fix to keep the things running was jam in a paperclip and leave a note for the day guys to fix. That falls into the same category as banging a nail into a fuse holder (seen that) or jamming a set of scissors into a meter protection fuse holder when ausgrid cut you off (seen that too). Apparently back then it was the norm, you can't get parts at night so keep it going untill you can. If it runs it makes money. It's messed up in my opinion
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This is half the problem with the world, there is always someone else to blame. If someone is at fault, then so be it, but if no one is at fault then so be it. What wrong doing are you talking about?? Are you saying someone made this happen by doing the wrong thing?? That's a big call based on what we know, has someone been arrested?? At the end of the day for someone to be liable you must be able to prove negligence on someone's behalf. ie that someone has done a thing that a reasonable and prudent person would not have done, or that someone should have done a thing that a reasonable and prudent person should have have done being in the same situation. Hindsight is a wonderfull thing.
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The difference with China is they just don't care, here we just have this extra layer of crap, from the outside the safety aspect looks good but its just tick the boxes, make and fill the forms and who cares about the actual safety side of it as long as that paperwork is all good.
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Please do not think I am being insensitive to the event and tragedy that unfolded, I am trying to get a grasp on what happened and who (if there is a who) is responsible when the report is ever made public. I will be happy to accept I am wrong.
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The ride was built in 1987, to 1987 standards. Who knows whether it was updated over time to match current standards. Hopefully the least that can come out of this tragedy is that other rides in other parks are reviewed for their safety design & overhauled (or shut down) where needed to minimise any future risk of horrific incidents such as this.
I'm sure that if a recently-built ride of similar design had a stuck raft, or detected a flipped raft, or detected a "high load" on the belt (something caught in the belt/pulleys), then everything would STOP, the alarm instantly raised, & possibly the water be drained asap - assuming a raft wouldn't become a crush hazard. Also the design would be improved to remove the risk of stuck/flipped rafts. We have conveyor belts at work that have been, over the years, retrofitted with all kinds of safety devices that detect belt slips, misalignments, high loads (hi amps & thermal overloads), various fire detectors, man-on-belt, etc etc, I'm sure that back in 1987 most of these would not have existed. Dreamworld is screwed no matter what position they take out of this. $ to the family looks good AND bad, $ to the Red Cross looks good AND bad, CEO keeping her job/not keeping her job, etc etc |
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I could not imagine that they build the ride in 1987 and that it has not been updated since then.
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i would imagine as safety laws are updated, so to must all equipment. its like going in to a timber yard and being told the saw doesn't need a guard because it was built before they were mandatory. i'm guessing, but all rides would need to meet current legislation. it just doesn't make sense that they wouldn't. kind of defeats the purpose. the park had a safety audit by an independant external company on the 29th sept apparently and passed. |
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I agree with that. Unlike a house, if you have anything that is known and high traffic, there is a much higher chance of workcover doing compliance inspections. In the past number of years when they updated the rcd rules, and then further updated them to remove the sockets above 2700 loop hole, many of the clients I work for had the upgrades done for insurance reasons. In something like dream world if they didn't comply with the current standards they would have been nailed years ago. It's not a case of claiming the tint on your car was original and legal back then, there are some safety upgrades that have to be done. Lack of maintenance may be a factor, but I doubt the safety systems were not there
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Accidents and near misses are always investigated on our construction sites, "lessons learnt" are distributed after the investigations are complete. It is always a culmination of multiple thing in an "alignment of the stars" that results in an incident. No doubt this will be the same.
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I think we should wait for the official findings of what happened come out.
There is some level of risk when you go on these rides but any negligence can't and should not be ignored. |
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Circumstances always need to be considered... Yes being struck by lighting is an "Act of God", completely agree... But lets say your son was struck by lightning while his school made him play golf during a lightning storm and he was killed by a lightning strike. Would you just say "**** happens"....I doubt it Last edited by GasoLane; 29-10-2016 at 02:23 PM. Reason: Leave it out |
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Thats a little different then a freak accident, we'll sort of but not really. Its would be a duty of care issue as the school is the Guardian and should know better. Had it been the first lighting strike in a light drizzle, then that's an accident, if it was a thunder storm and they sent them out it's different.
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If this is the first time one of these things flipped then yeah it may be deemed a freak accident. I guess time will tell and being such a high profile incident I'm sure we will all know the final out come of the investigation.
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http://www.news.com.au/national/aust...37298fd7f89797
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four people died horribly in one hit, it is a catastrophic ***** up.
remember this is Queensland its dodgy as, I have worked at so many sites that are all dangerous and the people in charge don't even see the problem just the money. E.g. the boss (JIM) at Colquhoun's Bag company (Darra) thought It was a good idea to clean the floor by pouring thinners all over the concrete floor and then have the labourers scrap it with hardened steel tools -shovels and jimmy bars. he also did stuff like put people up 8m into the air on pallets via the forklift, and run the forklift with broken battery and leaking hydraulic lines that spread oil all over the floor, sure made it interesting when also wet. Meanwhile Worksafe Qld did nothing, and I end up getting sacked for putting stock where they wanted how they wanted, when I question it and said it was unsafe then when it fell over I got the sack. |
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QLD is dodgy? after working on construction sites in brisbane and sydney within the last 2 weeks can say QLD is over the top with safety..eg site shut down for the day because temp emergency lighting wasn't up to scratch in stair wells..while sydney blokes using grinders without guards, extension leads snaked all over the floor.. |
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The whole story just gets worse and worse.
I smell a simply massive business-ending lawsuit in the works if even half what we have heard is true about faults being glossed over and ignored, especially earlier in the same day...that's how Workplace Health & Safety gets managers put in jail..."you knew about the fault, but did nothing to fix it, now four people are dead". |
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Worksafe counts it as a 'win', Grocon gets out of it with only $250K to pay but the families of the two dead teenagers and the French tourist left with a sour taste in their mouth. Blame put on subcontractors, subcontractor closes down, opens up under a new name and its business as usual. Government regulators don't have the resources to fight a prolonged legal battle with multinational companies. Kill three people, pay $250K, good deal. OHS in this country is a joke, its just there to look good at a distance, as long as you do the paperwork and keep the obvious hidden you'll be fine. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 31-10-2016 at 11:17 AM. |
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