|
Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated. |
|
The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
06-05-2011, 07:50 PM | #811 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2578880027B8ED
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
06-05-2011, 07:51 PM | #812 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/05/g...cutive-profit/
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
08-05-2011, 10:48 PM | #813 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/06/g...tune-500-list/
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
08-05-2011, 11:17 PM | #814 | ||
Straight Eight
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Western Australia
Posts: 2,049
|
Ford actually paid off debt. Has GM done this? No.
It's easy to claim profits when the country has to bail you out, and exempt you from $14 (or more) billion in taxes... that I'm pretty sure Ford weren't exempt from.
__________________
The Falcon is dead. Long live the Mighty Falcon. |
||
09-05-2011, 12:50 AM | #815 | ||
I was correct - AGAIN
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Third rock from the sun
Posts: 1,801
|
|
||
10-05-2011, 06:35 PM | #816 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/09/g...nion-over-pay/
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
10-05-2011, 07:02 PM | #817 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 3,246
|
Quote:
The PROFIT Ford made was 5% higher on revenue which was 5% lower than General Motors. Effectively Ford is doing much better. Adding to that, Ford did it without bailout money and without writing off tens of billions of debt to creditors.
__________________
BA2 XR8 Rapid M6 Ute - Lid - Tint -18s 226.8rwkW@178kmh/537Nm@140kmh 1/9/2013 14.2@163kmh 23/10/2013 Boss349 built. Not yet run. Waiting on a shell. Retrotech thread http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...1363569&page=6 |
|||
10-05-2011, 07:13 PM | #818 | ||||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 3,246
|
Quote:
But, in typical GM fashion, looking closer at the figures this is what is important. Quote:
Without the bankruptcy, a restructure that could only be completed under bankruptcy, writing off of billions I don't know how much money they would be making. They were after all within days from closing their doors forever. This is why we should be so proud of Ford. They did it THEMSELVES and if you look at the actual figures. Ford is the one making money and paying off actual debt. GM have been borrowing to pay government borrowings and then spruiking how they are paying back the government...
__________________
BA2 XR8 Rapid M6 Ute - Lid - Tint -18s 226.8rwkW@178kmh/537Nm@140kmh 1/9/2013 14.2@163kmh 23/10/2013 Boss349 built. Not yet run. Waiting on a shell. Retrotech thread http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...1363569&page=6 |
||||
11-05-2011, 10:04 AM | #819 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,848
|
Semantics I know ... but ...
GM did not go bankrupt. They were insolvent, and filed for Bankruptcy protection. They then, with the assistance of the law, avoided their debt (pushing it to a new dummy company). In Addition to this they got a huge loan from the Government that they converted into Equity. It is extremely unlikely at the moment that the government will get all their money back as they will sell their equity at a loss. Whatever the amount of that loss is should be considered "free government money" for GM - ie bailout. |
||
11-05-2011, 04:35 PM | #820 | ||
B1 - J & D Services
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Brim, Victoria
Posts: 1,633
|
Technically it was the other way around. Not that it really matters with regards to the point you were making.
The debt and unwanted assets stayed with the old company. Assets that were wanted went to a new company along with new Government debt!!! Otherwise you are most certainly correct...
__________________
Mr. Brett Johnstone. 2002 Ford Laser 2000 Ford Falcon Wagon Egas 1999 Subaru Imprezza Sportwagon 1998 Holden Suburban 2500 1995 Land Rover Discovery TDI 1994 XG XR6 Longreach 1983 Holden Rodeo 1975 Datsun 120Y wagon 1970 MG Midget 1967 Rover 2000TC Soon: Model T. |
||
11-05-2011, 05:57 PM | #821 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/10/g...lant-upgrades/
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
15-05-2011, 09:35 PM | #822 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/13/g...s-in-the-fold/
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
15-05-2011, 09:36 PM | #823 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/13/c...m-in-gm-stock/
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
15-05-2011, 09:37 PM | #824 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/13/g...lost-benefits/
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
03-06-2011, 06:50 PM | #825 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/06/02/f...at-14-billion/
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
04-06-2011, 05:08 PM | #826 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,848
|
So - Loan Given by government, converted to stock, stock sold (to be sold) at a projected 14 Bill loss.
Therefore GM got 14 Billion in free money. IIRC, Ford did not get a Loan as a direct result of the US Financial Crisis, Chrysler Did - but did not convert it to equity, and has now paid it back. So GM got 14 billion for free ! |
||
08-07-2011, 06:02 PM | #827 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/06/g...n-to-pre-bank/
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
08-07-2011, 09:48 PM | #828 | ||
B1 - J & D Services
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Brim, Victoria
Posts: 1,633
|
I take GM's word on that, it makes sense... They would have learnt all the lesons they coud possibly learn!
__________________
Mr. Brett Johnstone. 2002 Ford Laser 2000 Ford Falcon Wagon Egas 1999 Subaru Imprezza Sportwagon 1998 Holden Suburban 2500 1995 Land Rover Discovery TDI 1994 XG XR6 Longreach 1983 Holden Rodeo 1975 Datsun 120Y wagon 1970 MG Midget 1967 Rover 2000TC Soon: Model T. |
||
11-07-2011, 12:24 AM | #829 | ||
I was correct - AGAIN
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Third rock from the sun
Posts: 1,801
|
|
||
13-07-2011, 06:53 PM | #830 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
How the Middle East was lost
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2578CA00273CA0 Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
14-07-2011, 08:52 AM | #831 | |||
Noobie
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 525
|
Quote:
__________________
BrisVegas WS Fiesta Zetec 3dr NM Pajero TD LWB LS Focus Zetec 5dr - gone WS Fiesta Zetec 5dr - gone |
|||
19-07-2011, 08:24 PM | #832 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/18/g...g-328-million/
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
19-07-2011, 09:55 PM | #833 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: newcastle
Posts: 1,201
|
Quote:
__________________
Never drive faster than your guardian angle can fly but fast enough so the devil don't catch you! |
|||
21-07-2011, 06:46 PM | #834 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/20/c...ar-best-in-10/
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
05-08-2011, 06:06 PM | #835 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/04/g...f-2-5-billion/
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
07-08-2011, 11:56 PM | #836 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
GM claims global number one slot from Toyota in H1
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2578E30026BD85 Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
07-08-2011, 11:56 PM | #837 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/05/g...ota-thanks-to/
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
10-08-2011, 07:58 PM | #838 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/09/g...gines-in-half/
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
10-08-2011, 08:35 PM | #839 | ||
Peter Car
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: geelong
Posts: 23,145
|
Say goodbye to Commodores Zeta platform.
|
||
10-08-2011, 09:22 PM | #840 | ||
B1 - J & D Services
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Brim, Victoria
Posts: 1,633
|
I think Zeta will stay, but we will soon find out!
__________________
Mr. Brett Johnstone. 2002 Ford Laser 2000 Ford Falcon Wagon Egas 1999 Subaru Imprezza Sportwagon 1998 Holden Suburban 2500 1995 Land Rover Discovery TDI 1994 XG XR6 Longreach 1983 Holden Rodeo 1975 Datsun 120Y wagon 1970 MG Midget 1967 Rover 2000TC Soon: Model T. |
||