Covid 19 -

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Jack91

So im guessing that a large percentage of those stuck in nsw were holidaying or similar, in which case their stupidity and arrogance is being punished accordingly.
In fact, stupid doesnt even begin to describe it. Everyone has seen the signs since christmas.
We had plans to travel to far north qld, via a lengthy east coast tour over our long holidays, but decided to stay in vic because we're not stupid.
Who knew they would close borders again? Yeah, umm everyone with half a brain.

If you want to be a perfect little lapdog then go for it.

Honestly locking out people who were nowhere near any hot spots is way over the top!
Cheers

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

If you want to be a perfect little lapdog then go for it.

Honestly locking out people who were nowhere near any hot spots is way over the top!
Cheers

I've got to say the Victorian approach to returning residents has me a little perplexed.

I was very pro-victoria in the way they eventually got things under control but it seems to me they abandoned their residents by locking them out over the holidays.

Got to say I am impressed with NSW, they are probably doing the best job of managing the health response without imposing undue hardship on their residents

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by cs123

I've got to say the Victorian approach to returning residents has me a little perplexed.

I was very pro-victoria in the way they eventually got things under control but it seems to me they abandoned their residents by locking them out over the holidays.

Got to say I am impressed with NSW, they are probably doing the best job of managing the health response without imposing undue hardship on their residents

I think Daniel Andrews has taken a leaf out of Mark McGowan book by overreacting and being a bit too harsh at times.

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

If you want to be a perfect little lapdog then go for it.

Honestly locking out people who were nowhere near any hot spots is way over the top!
Cheers

Far from being a lapdog champ. Its being an adult and taking responsibility for choices you make.
My father in law was stuck in wa for 10 months as a fifo miner last year. He wasnt doing too great being away from the family for so long so took the risk to come back for Christmas. Come new years and he was looking for flights. The ones that fit his schedule was on i think the 6th of jan so booked and paid for. A day or 2 earlier wa closed again, even if he could get in (he cant) he'd have to pay for his own quarantine for 2 weeks aswell. So now he has no income, and no way to get it back for the foreseeable future. But even he isnt salty at anyone or crying poor me. It was a chance and he knew that.

So as for the idiots with a 30 foot van behind a dmax with 3 brats in the back seat, thinking the rules dont apply to them, make them truck the car over the border, fly in and quarantine for 2 weeks like another person i know that got stuck with a car and trailer in nsw going to qld at the first closure last year.

All these restrictions are for nothing if a few idiots can get around them on compassionate grounds

[T3rminator]

Strange that there has been very little sympathy afforded to Australians wanting to come home to their own country, yet so many tears for people that knowingly went into or near a red zone during a pandemic.

If you haven't done so lately, take a stroll through Melb CBD one evening. It is starting to come alive again. Lots of people about and you can once again hear the music across the yarra. Myer Music Bowl tonight had some sort of event on which was sold out. 50% of private sector workers can return to office next week, 25% for public. Some level of certainty is returning, we are on our way to recovery, last thing we need is 5 - 10 new cases a day, especially of this "UK" strain, to dent confidence.

I spare my tears for Victorians who have been cut off from WA and for CBD retailers who have endured so much suffering, and had to wear the delay in workers returning to the office, all because of this NSW outbreak, which could have been killed off IF they had taken strong measures for a few weeks. Instead its going to drag on and on and on, they are talking 4 more weeks to "mop up".

I want to see NSW succeed. AFL season is not far off and it would be good to have 50-60,000 at the G again.

[FairmontGS]

Hotel quarantine security firm’s license renewed

A security company that provided services to Victoria’s hotel quarantine program during the enquiry scandal has had its license renewed by Victoria Police.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscri...44f-1610532396

[FairmontGS]

Leadership transcends borders

Victoria’s Dan Andrews probably surprises many when he denies being bent on outright elimination of COVID-19 but his latest measure — a travel permit system with a traffic-light metaphor of risk levels — is emblematic of his record. For all his reassuring patter and self-confidence, Mr Andrews presides over a government that appears to lack the basic organisation, competence and skill to run an effective public health operation.

NSW has had its bungles but its contact tracing seems to have set a national standard for speed and success, while Ms Berejiklian has been conspicuous for her measured and pragmatic approach to a complex challenge, which is easily caricatured as a no-brainer trade-off between safety and money. It is a productive economy that underpins all kinds of safety, in the long run. Jobs bolster mental wellbeing and health systems break down without the economic activity that fills the tax coffers.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/com...4236edfd301635

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 13th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

14 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.173%. NSW recorded 7 cases, Victoria 3, Queensland / SA 2 and WA / NT recorded 1 each.

6 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.122% and active cases 65.

The UK had 47,525 cases yesterday and a new record high 1,564 deaths.

Just under 231.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and a new record high 4,489 deaths sees CMR rise to 1.668% and active cases at 39.2% with the raw numbers rising and now over 9.1M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 93M, the last 1M in 2 days;
Global deaths set a new daily high of 15,774.

Zambia (1,343);
UAE (3,362);
Tunisia (3,632) - 18% above the previous high;
Portugal (10,556);
Indonesia (11,278); and
Spain (38,669) - 53% above the previous high

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by russellw

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 13th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

14 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.173%. NSW recorded 7 cases, Victoria 3, Queensland / SA 2 and WA / NT recorded 1 each.

6 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.122% and active cases 65.

The UK had 47,525 cases yesterday and a new record high 1,564 deaths.

Just under 231.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and a new record high 4,489 deaths sees CMR rise to 1.668% and active cases at 39.2% with the raw numbers rising and now over 9.1M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 93M, the last 1M in 2 days;
Global deaths set a new daily high of 15,774.

Zambia (1,343);
UAE (3,362);
Tunisia (3,632) - 18% above the previous high;
Portugal (10,556);
Indonesia (11,278); and
Spain (38,669) - 53% above the previous high

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Worrying that the African countries are starting to appear in the higher totals.

[davenl5l]

Vic and the feds exempt a covid positive American tennis player for the open and you all wonder why people have therories

[Peter B - CV8]

Originally Posted by davenl5l

Vic and the feds exempt a covid positive American tennis player for the open and you all wonder why people have therories

I thought that he tested positive for evidence of shedding DEAD covid cells ie he was not carrying an active virus...

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Peter B - CV8

I thought that he tested positive for evidence of shedding DEAD covid cells ie he was not carrying an active virus...

Yep. Tested positive in Nov, he has provided all medical record to Aus officials, there has been no documented case in the world that someone viral shedding can be infectious. All players will be tested daily and they will be limited to one practice partner. If he is infectious then his partner will become positive pretty quickly and we'll know we have the first case in the world.

The bigger story is Andy Murray. If he has the "UK" strain then some parts of the world are requiring people to isolate for 21 days, not 14. That might mean he won't make it in time. If he makes it on the plane, then I'm worried.


Wait goes on for stranded Victorians as tennis players touch down
https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...14-p56u5z.html

"One Victorian stranded on Sydney’s northern beaches told The Age on Thursday of his growing frustration with his home state’s government ...."

What kind of numptie goes into the bright red hot zone then whinges?

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by davenl5l

Vic and the feds exempt a covid positive American tennis player for the open and you all wonder why people have therories

Fake news.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 14th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

11 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.172%. Queensland recorded while NSW / WA / NT recorded 2 cases each.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.122% and active cases 65.

The UK had 48,682 cases yesterday and 1,248 deaths.

Just over 240k new cases in the USA yesterday and 4,096 deaths sees CMR stay at 1.668% and active cases at 39.2% with the raw numbers rising and now over 9.2M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 94M, the last 1M in 1 day;
Global deaths pass 2M, the last 50k in 3 days;
Global deaths set a new daily high of 16,415 (13/1);
North America passes 27M cases;

Honduras (1,204) - the previous high on August 28th;
Uruguay (1,514) - 25% above the previous high;
Zambia (1,700) - 26% above the high yesterday;
Malaysia (3,337);
UAE (3,382);
Portugal (10,698);
Indonesia (11,557); and

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[Tickford.]

WHO team probing origin of virus arrives in China

A World Health Organization (WHO) team has arrived in the Chinese city of Wuhan to start its investigation into the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic.

The long-awaited probe comes after months of negotiations between the WHO and Beijing.

A group of 10 scientists is set to interview people from research institutes, hospitals and the seafood market linked to the initial outbreak.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55657781

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f...15-p56uh6.html


Wonder if they'll still find "bats" at the "seafood" market. Or is there much more to it than that?

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

WHO team probing origin of virus arrives in China



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55657781

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f...15-p56uh6.html


Wonder if they'll still find "bats" at the "seafood" market. Or is there much more to it than that?

They will find what the CCP tell them to find

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

WHO team probing origin of virus arrives in China



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55657781

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f...15-p56uh6.html


Wonder if they'll still find "bats" at the "seafood" market. Or is there much more to it than that?

Is the WHO expecting any chinese citizens to say a single word? I’m pretty sure they would rather avoid the CCP firing squad for talking out of turn.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Is the WHO expecting any chinese citizens to say a single word? I’m pretty sure they would rather avoid the CCP firing squad for talking out of turn.

Shoot me now. I think you are all thinking WHO is CPP only, have some faith

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

Shoot me now. I think you are all thinking WHO is CPP only, have some faith

Do you seriously think the ccp will let them find anything that might embarrass them?

Just look how badly they cracked the ****s, when scotty from marketing suggested they should investigate the origins of covid.

[T3rminator]

The success of the WHO investigation will largely depend on what the agenda is. If they are there to find faults in the initial response then they probably aren't going to get too far. If they are there to genuinely find the source of the outbreak, then I don't see why the chinese government wouldn't co-operate. No good being an authoritarian regime if you have no one to authoritate over in the future.

I wonder how many people knew the US CDC had stations in China helping to monitor for outbreaks after SARS, but it was dismantled by the Trump administration before the pandemic.

We have one of our own in the field team. They did an interview with him a while ago on ABC, and he seemed very confident they will get some answers.

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Well this is a new one. NSW is responsible for restrictions that the VIC gov have imposed on their citizens?

Not what I said. We are however one country sharing a common land. The actions of a state has an impact on the rest of the country.

Brisbane will go from red to orange at 6pm tonight.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Do you seriously think the ccp will let them find anything that might embarrass them?

Just look how badly they cracked the ****s, when scotty from marketing suggested they should investigate the origins of covid.

Fully agree, there is probably a skyscraper building on the wet market site and the lab probably gets dismantled and erected somewhere different each day

or how credible it the military games bought it in ?
https://prospect.org/coronavirus/did...read-covid-19/

[MITCHAY]

WHO let in a year later after so they will only find what they want the WHO to find. What a ****en joke

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 15th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

7 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.171%. Queensland / WA recorded 3 each while NSW / Vic recorded 2 cases each and SA recorded 1.

18 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.113% and active cases 62.

The UK had 55,761 cases yesterday and 1,280 deaths.

Just under 244.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 4,129 deaths sees CMR rise to 1.669% and active cases at 39.2% with the raw numbers rising and now over 9.3M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global deaths pass 2M, the last 50k in 3 days;
The USA passes 24M cases and 400k deaths;
Europe passes 27M cases;

Cuba (550) on 13/1;
Nigeria (1,867) - 12% above the previous high;
UAE (3,407) - the 4th consecutive day;
Tunisia (4,170) - 15% above the previous high;
Lebanon (6,154) - 13% above the previous high;
Mexico (16,468);
Colombia (21,078) - 16% above the previous high; and
Spain (40,197)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[Yellow_Festiva]

U.S. Steps Up Claims Covid-19 May Have Escaped From Chinese Lab
Bill Faries

(Bloomberg) -- The State Department on Friday said it had new information suggesting the Covid-19 pandemic could have emerged from a Chinese laboratory and not through contact with infected animals, the latest salvo in the Trump administration’s efforts to pressure Beijing over the virus’s origins.

Specifically, the U.S. said it had obtained new evidence that researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology became sick in the fall of 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak in the surrounding city, with symptoms it said were consistent with either Covid-19 or common seasonal illnesses.

................................

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u-...?ocid=msedgntp

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 16th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

24 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.168%. NSW recorded 12, Vic recorded 3 cases WA & SA recorded 2 each and Queensland recorded 1.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.113% and active cases 62.

The UK had 43,152 cases yesterday and 1,295 deaths.

Just under 251k new cases in the USA yesterday and 3,830 deaths sees CMR fall to 1.667%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:

Zambia (1,796);
Dominican Republic (2,370);
Bolivia (2,573) - 13.7% above the previous high;
UAE (3,432) - the 5th consecutive day;
Malaysia (4,029) - 21% above the previous high;
Lebanon (6,154) - 13% above the previous high;
Portugal (10,947);
Indonesia (14,224) - 23% above the previous high; and
Mexico (21,366) - 29.7% above the high yesterday;

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[ute83]

https://www.9news.com.au/national/pf...3-866402106c08

[Citroënbender]

How about that tennis tournament, eh?

• What did the organisers think would happen?
• How can inflexible rules be properly explained to kidults?
• In what way will this be a fair and representative contest, with such potential imbalance of match-readiness?

I fully expect a bending of the official rules, it’s the golden double standard.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

How about that tennis tournament, eh?

• What did the organisers think would happen?
• How can inflexible rules be properly explained to kidults?
• In what way will this be a fair and representative contest, with such potential imbalance of match-readiness?

I fully expect a bending of the official rules, it’s the golden double standard.

There should definitely be a Wi Tennis provided to each room.

But seriously, how can this be such a surprise to the players? - was the "if/when someone one your flight tests positive - you will be required to go into full quarantine" exception in bold type at the front of the rules of entering the country, or were they implied or left out, or in fine print in appendix 23? If it was clearly visible, I am sure that the organisers would have pointed this out as a defence by now. I smell another bureaucratic bungle.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by tweeked

There should definitely be a Wi Tennis provided to each room.

But seriously, how can this be such a surprise to the players? - was the "if/when someone one your flight tests positive - you will be required to go into full quarantine" exception in bold type at the front of the rules of entering the country, or were they implied or left out, or in fine print in appendix 23? If it was clearly visible, I am sure that the organisers would have pointed this out as a defence by now. I smell another bureaucratic bungle.

This will be an interesting national test, not just a Victorian one.

Huge management failure on the part of the players to not understand the T&C's, as long as they were communicated clearly.

[marty351]

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