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In February of this year a great mate of mine went to the doctors with a bit of a tummy ache. His appendix was removed a week later, cancer was found in his appendix, further tests showed it had spread. Scroll forward to this week, he is back home after the latest of several operation and has endured much Chemo. His stage 4 liver cancer statistically will kill him in 1-5 years. So we get around him, his wife and boys and make sure whatever time he has left is the best it can be.
There would be ten's of thousands of people in a similar situation, either dealing with an illness that means they rely on our health system or supporting someone who is. This myth that is perpetuated that the response to Covid 19 is about prolonging the life of 1% of people that have one foot in the grave is just so much BS. The mantra from the start of this pandemic was "flatten the curve so the health system is not over run". If it gets away from us as it nearly did in Melbourne it will not just be the 1% that die, everyone relying on the health system will be affected.
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If, in your mind, COVID was as serious as they/whoever are saying, would you be OK with the measures that have taken place? Quote:
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Therein lies the problem for governments. Do we lock up the country to avoid spread of this virus, at the cost to the economy. Or does the country relax its controls, allow the virus to spread, and 'survival of the fittest' prevails? People elect governments, and for most people, this governance includes 'protecting them from a virus'. What happens if there is a 3rd, 4th or 5th outbreak? Do we introduce the same measures Victoria has gone through? Or can we take an approach NSW has done, which seems to have worked ok. No matter what approach is taken, we're going to see the transactional cost of protecting the people next year as I said before. My position is I'm prepared to deal with the possibility catching this virus. I'm not confident a vaccine will work, RNA vaccines have been unsuccessful to date. I'd prefer the governments relaxed the use off off label medications, I'd prefer to discuss with my doctor the possibility of taking prophylactic medication (HCQ or other drugs that have been touted) rather than a bureaucrat deciding what I can or can't take. There's a lot to be said about the 'doctor-patient' relationship and it being overridden under the current circumstances. To answer your question, I think the NSW approach has worked the best, Premier Gladys Berejiklian has done a good job.
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#6725 | ||
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It sounds to me like you wholeheartedly agree with Alan Jones and therein lies the problem.
Jones has a history of trying to run the country via the airwaves with his abrasive approach to most things. He regularly ignores science and has been known to rally against something publically but actually support it. A walking contradiction or do as I say not as I do type of person. His blatant political bias means he'll say whatever it takes to lead his listeners so Andrews was always doomed and Gladys praised whatever the reality. Jones is probably the last person anyone should be taking Covid19 advice from |
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I believe he’s in a demographic (by age) at greater risk of mortality if they contract this virus. So to some extent, he’s putting his own neck on the line.
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What do you recommend the government does to salvage the economy and deal with this virus?
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If you're guessing my age, 46-50 group.
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No, Jonesy.
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Data valid as at 23:58 GMT September 30th, 2020.
Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages. 23 new cases for Australia and 4 deaths so the CMR rises to 3.272% while active cases drop to 1,438. NSW recorded 4 cases with the balance in Victoria. The Victorian State 14 day moving average is now 17.43 with metro at 15.6 (19 unknown) and regional at 0.3 and no unknown cases. Victoria reported 15 new cases for the last 24 hours. 1 new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.361% and active cases drop to 44. The UK had a slightly lower 7,108 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they had 71 deaths again yesterday. Just under 44.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 977 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.846% and active cases drop to 34.4% with the raw numbers rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences. Other notable points: Global cases pass 34M with the last 1M taking 4 days this time; The USA completes 107M, India 74M, Russia 40M and Iran 4M tests; Europe passes 5M cases; Moldova (1,013), AE (1,100), Romania (2,518), Netherlands (3,294), Ukraine (4,027) and Argentina (14,392) all recorded a new daily high; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days. Despite only reporting occasionally, Guadeloupe has gone from very few cases to over 5k in a matter of weeks. Historically, they had ~50 cases during March and then none until ~70 at the end of July with another short gap before racking up ~990 cases in the last three weeks of August. Let's look at this another way. To the end of July they had 244 total cases. By the end of August this had grown to 1,145 cases but this last month added another 4,383 cases to make that total 5,528. Bear in mind that this is a small island with a population of ~400k so that's 1,381 cases per 100k and the 47 deaths equate to 11.7 / 100k.
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#6731 | ||
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It seems there is some magical thinking going on in this thread.
AKA the government response to the global pandemic is causing a rapid decline in the economy, rather than the pandemic is causing economic decline. Therefore if we have no government response to the global pandemic there would be no economic decline, or if we have less government response we will have less economic decline. Some wish it was that simple because it allows them to score political points. Sweden! What about Sweden? It is true Sweden did not mandate a lock down. Swedish people still stayed home, economic activity declined and the economy still took a big hit. It was the pandemic that trashed Sweden’s economy not the government response. There is no debating the world economy is in for a very rough time because of the Covid-19 pandemic. Attempting to lay the blame for the economic fall out on this government or that government will distract us from the huge challenge we need to face united. Remember the national cabinet at the start of this thing? That is how governments can work for the people that elected them, when they focus on us and not political point scoring for themselves. As has been said when this pandemic is over we will be feeling the economic repercussions for much longer.
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Foreign students are not going to come here either unless their parents feel they can travel and live here safely. Together these two sources of revenue account for a lot of our economy and there will not be a full recovery without them. I still hold out hope that the rollout of a vaccine will put us into recovery in the latter part of next year. Two things are needed for that to happen; a massive effort to produce and distribute the shot and the scientists to get it right. |
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Wait until next year, when people start to struggle. The opposition will be jumping all over what the current Government has done or not done and how their ideas, while not disclosing any of their ideas, would have been so much better. Wait until Labour get into Government next (I'm not knocking Labour), even if it is in 10 years time. I reckon that I would be at unbackable odds if I was to bet that they will refer to the current Government policies dealing with this situation and that is why they can't keep one, or many, of their election promises. |
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#6734 | ||
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Covid 19 would of been a lot better to of just let it run and do it's thing, as such would of helped the economy boom, getting rid of all the dead wood that is on the Government handouts and all, many of the grubs who do not wash their hands ect would be gone as well.
but now we are going to be in a position that most Aussies will totally truly regret like no time in their lives in paying for this burden. that has really been unleashed on us all. such sounds stupid to say now but just you wait the effects to our economy will be way out of control for years to come, get ready for death duties to come back and 15% GST and your super will be smashed like you will not believe, not to mention they will have to tax that cash cow a lot more. I think that the VIC Premier will have to leave Australia because I would not be surprised he will be hung in the street when the public come to understand the real damage of what he truly has done. he is a Labour Party man so such a one is totally ignorant of what the reality of business truly is all about in fact, such as they live in a fairy land off with the pixies. get ready for high taxes ! and high inflation. |
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Were against building the Toaster building in Macquarie St? Wanted Bronwyn Bishop for PM? Jones doesn't have listeners he has followers who don't seem to notice the numerous 180's he does on topics but enjoy being coaxed into anger most days. He sadly believes that 'common sense' (his version of it) refutes science so he takes the anti science view frequently. He's an unwanted distraction in the battle against Covid19 |
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Yes, you assume.
What you’ve not done is provide a way out of this mess we’re in.
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What’s you’re solution to this mess?
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Got a rude shock yesterday, been on Jobkeeper since beginning of April which was due to be reduced on Sunday.
Our roster cycle is Monday to Sunday and figured anything earnt prior to midnight Sunday would be subsidized so it was quite a shock when i received my weekly pay slip yesterday and the top up was absent. After doing a little digging it appears that because we get paid for the preceeding week on the following Wednesday and this Wednesday is after the reduction date, it doesnt qualify for the full subsidy. Not complaining, its been very good but a stupid way to finish off as anyone ive spoken to figured last week would be included and has caught many off gaurd. |
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Yes, quite a saving by govco when you think about it.
They spruik the 6 months of $750pw subsidies but it looks as though its fallen 1 week short via a well concealed loophole that says all monies owed had to be paid by close of play on the 27th. Last edited by BENT_8; 01-10-2020 at 05:13 PM. |
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Isn't jobkeeper for employers?
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The bad news is these are in the early stages and are not the proven tech that the Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine uses. This shot should start its approval process in Europe this week. |
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Sort of, its a wage subsidy paid to employers to keep staff on but the employer cant pay less than the $750pw theyre given, so they dont profit. In our case, were all casual and doing between 20 and 25hrs pw so at $27hr our basic wage is below the $750 but thats what we get minus tax, so $655 clear
As last week was the end of term we didnt have as much on so i only did 18hrs, 5 of that at what we call wait time where you get half rate for waiting for the return trip, but was under the impression id get one more pay at the full rate. Didnt happen because our pay wasnt processed by Sunday night so i only received the amount for the 18hrs worked which was $390 clear, as i said not complaining, just wasnt expecting a $265 shortfall this week. |
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