Covid 19 -

[buggerlugs]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-...itals/13031940

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-...itals/13031940

"But we're burnt out, and it's made harder by the necessary restrictions. We can't socialise and blow off steam outside work like we used to. We can't visit friends and have them make us a cup of tea and just look after us for a little while."

This is really difficult to hear. If you think we had it hard, the lock down there will be 100 more severe mentally. A lot of people in the city areas live in pigeon hole style apartments. Some of the places there are effectively just bedrooms with no lounge or yard. There are A LOT of places like that and I can't imagine what it'd be like. I still keep in close contact with a lot of friends in London and they are really struggling.

[FairmontGS]

Victorian coronavirus case could have been caught at MCG cricket Test, Chadstone Shopping Centre Boxing Day sales

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-...sales/13035256

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 5th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

19 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.187%. NSW recorded 8 cases, NT 5, Victoria 4, Queensland 2 and WA recorded 1 case.

5 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.141% and active cases 61.

The UK had a new record 61,216 cases yesterday and 874 deaths.

Just over 192.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,985 deaths sees CMR fall to 1.696% and active cases at 38.7% with the raw numbers falling and now at 8.2M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Asia passes 21M cases;
India passes 150k deaths;
The USA completes 261M, India 176M, Russia 92M, UK 57M, UAE 21M, Canada 14M, Belgium 7M, Argentina & Japan 5M tests.

Only -
Nigeria (1,354);
UAE (1,967);
Lebanon (3,620);
Japan (4,113);
Colombia (16,835); and
the United Kingdom (61,216)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[FairmontGS]

Coronavirus Australia live news: Wentworthville and Belmore added to SCG ban, patrons told to wear a mask

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-...a-nsw/13034518

Just cancel the crowd and let everyone watch it from home

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Coronavirus Australia live news: Wentworthville and Belmore added to SCG ban, patrons told to wear a mask

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-...a-nsw/13034518

Just cancel the crowd and let everyone watch it from home

My son had pre purchased a ticket for Jane McGrath day last year.

He contacted the ticketing agency yesterday about options to cancel and they refunded his ticket cost without any questions...

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Beastie

My son had pre purchased a ticket for Jane McGrath day last year.

He contacted the ticketing agency yesterday about options to cancel and they refunded his ticket cost without any questions...

Sounds like you have a clever son Beastie. Given the MCG Zombie Outbreak why would anyone even consider going to the SCG?

[AlanD]

Gee, perhaps we ought to take a breath (of FRESH air) and settle down.

Perhaps a chuckle will help, so courtesy of my Canadian cousin, where apparently they still can laugh about things:

I hope they give us two weeks notice before sending us back out into the real world. I think we'll all need the time to become ourselves again. And by "ourselves" I mean lose 10 pounds, cut our hair and get used to not drinking at 9:00 a.m.

New monthly budget: Gas $0 Entertainment $0 Clothes $0 Groceries $2,799.
Breaking News: Wearing a mask inside your home is now highly recommended. Not so much to stop COVID-19, but to stop eating.

Low maintenance chicks are having their moment right now. They don't have nails to fill and paint, roots to dye, eyelashes to re-mink, and are thrilled not to have to get dressed every day. They have been training for this moment their entire life!

When this quarantine is over, let's not tell some people.

I stepped on my scale this morning. It said: "Please practice social distancing. Only one person at a time on scale."

Not to brag, but I haven't been late to anything in over 6 weeks.

It may take a village to raise a child but I swear its going to take a vineyard to home school one.

I wanted zombies and anarchy. Instead we got working from home and toilet paper shortages.
Worst. Apocalypse. Ever.

You know those car commercials where there's only one vehicle on the road - doesn't seem so unrealistic these days ...

They can open things up next month, I'm staying in until July to see what happens to you all first.

Day 37: The garbage man placed an AA flyer on my recycling bin.

The spread of Covid-19 is based on two things:
1. How dense the population is.
2. How dense the population is.

Appropriate analogy: "The curve is flattening so we can start lifting restrictions now" = "The parachute has slowed our rate of descent, so we can take it off now".

People keep asking: "Is coronavirus REALLY all that serious?" Listen y'all, the churches and casinos are closed. When heaven and hell agree on the same thing it's probably pretty serious.

Never in a million years could I have imagined I would go up to a bank teller wearing a mask and ask for money.

Home school Day 1: I'm trying to figure out how I can get this kid transferred out of my class.

Putting a drink in each room of my house today and calling it a pub crawl.

Okay, the schools are closed. So do we drop the kids off at the teacher's house or what?

For the second part of this quarantine do we have to stay with the same family or will they relocate us? Asking for myself ...

Coronavirus has turned us all into dogs. We wander around the house looking for food. We get told "No" if we get too close to strangers and we get really excited about going for walks and car rides.

The dumbest thing I've ever bought was a 2020 planner ...

I was in a long line at 7:45 am today at the grocery store that opened at 8:00 for seniors only. A young man came from the parking lot and tried to cut in at the front of the line, but an old lady beat him back into the parking lot with her cane.
He returned and tried to cut in again but an old man punched him in the gut, then kicked him to the ground and rolled him away.
As he approached the line for the 3rd time he said, "If you don't let me unlock the door, you'll never get in there."

Enjoy your day. You don't have anything else to do

Cheers

[FairmontGS]

So that's Beastie, Gaso, Russ mods that you've tussled with. You live on the edge baby.

You're AFF's Kim jong un!



And you're killing it!



Props dude... I love seeing people go down in a blaze of glory

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

You're AFF's Kim jong un!

KJU?? Of all people, that's the best you can come up with?


BTW.., I see that you were at Capital Hill this morning. Nice headgear buddy. Very nice. Going by your avatar also, you've got a bit of a "furry fetish" aye?

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

KJU?? Of all people, that's the best you can come up with?


BTW.., I see that you were at Capital Hill this morning. Nice headgear buddy. Very nice. Going by your avatar also, you've got a bit of a "furry fetish" aye?

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Good to see you back. I was worried you’d been banned.



https://youtu.be/KCkmIyC6v00

[Yellow_Festiva]

On a lighter note.

For a good laugh watch 'Death to 2020' on Netflix.

Mostly about covid 19 but has a few other hilarious interpretations of the events of 2020.

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[Fed]

If 99.5% of the cases are mild why do ~3.0% of the cases die? (3.4% in Oz)

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Fed

If 99.5% of the cases are mild why do ~3.0% of the cases die? (3.4% in Oz)

Because the figures of cases/deaths from first wave to later waves clearly show that most cases were not diagnosed at all in the first wave. Probably by a factor of well over 10. Even now in the UK, the chances that they are even diagnosing half of their 50000 a day in their current mayhem is pretty slim. The only figures on death rates that you can trust will be those out of the 200 plus cases currently maturing in VIC and NSW. It is probably one of the only times globally that most cases have been identified, and not a great statistical sample. There are 2 people in hospital out of the 200+, none in ICU let alone being ventilated.

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by Fed

If 99.5% of the cases are mild why do ~3.0% of the cases die? (3.4% in Oz)

Because people are greatly misinterpreting a 'case' as somebody who has contracted the disease.
Getting covid and getting coronavirus are two different things.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Metdevil

Because people are greatly misinterpreting a 'case' as somebody who has contracted the disease.
Getting covid and getting coronavirus are two different things.

That sounds like the statisticians or medical experts have found a great way of muddying the waters and confusing people.

No one in the general population cares about what the death rate is for different "case" definitions. They just want to know what the chances are if they test positive. That is so simple and in the end all that matters.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by tweeked

That sounds like the statisticians or medical experts have found a great way of muddying the waters and confusing people.

No one in the general population cares about what the death rate is for different "case" definitions. They just want to know what the chances are if they test positive. That is so simple and in the end all that matters.

Death isnt all people are concerned about, while obviously its not a good outcome severe ongoing issues are pretty top of the list too. Time will tell.

Its been noted before that if CV gave you spots on the face peoples opinions would be very different as a general rule.

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by tweeked

That sounds like the statisticians or medical experts have found a great way of muddying the waters and confusing people.

It sounds to me like people are easily confused by a simple concept. Didn't we learn that viruses cause diseases decades ago? It's like how you get AIDS by being exposed to the virus, HIV. AIDS is not HIV. HIV causes AIDS.
The hint is also in the name 'COVID', COrona VIrus Disease. The reason the case figures are so bloated is because you can test positive for virus inoculation, but there's no nasal swab which tells you that you've contracted the disease.

Not everything is a conspiracy against you by statisticians and medical experts....

[Citroënbender]

I’m somewhat impressed by the “clowning” aspect of full-body PPE displayed by a few cricket-goers. It carries more authenticity in terms of saying we’re all in it together than politicians without masks on, telling us we’ll be fined for not wearing masks.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Metdevil

It sounds to me like people are easily confused by a simple concept. Didn't we learn that viruses cause diseases decades ago? It's like how you get AIDS by being exposed to the virus, HIV. AIDS is not HIV. HIV causes AIDS.
The hint is also in the name 'COVID', COrona VIrus Disease. The reason the case figures are so bloated is because you can test positive for virus inoculation, but there's no nasal swab which tells you that you've contracted the disease.

Not everything is a conspiracy against you by statisticians and medical experts....

And yet tracking sites including government are called "Covid Live" or refer to Covid-19 all the time.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...nd-alerts.aspx

No I didn't think it was a conspiracy, just lazy health professionals, government departments and googlers on this page. But you think they have made it clear to to masses? ........ Near enough is good enough for you is it? Maybe instead of being condescending you might provide a bit of "peer review", sounds like you know what you are talking about.......and since you are a bit touchy on anyone questioning the way data is presented, you may be able to help and correct the wrong terminology being used in important places.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Metdevil

Because people are greatly misinterpreting a 'case' as somebody who has contracted the disease.
Getting covid and getting coronavirus are two different things.

I'm not quite picking up what you are putting down.

The tests aren't generic. They test for specific triggers for covid, not just any coronavirus.

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by prydey

I'm not quite picking up what you are putting down.

The tests aren't generic. They test for specific triggers for covid, not just any coronavirus.

Yes, they test for the specific strain of coronavirus which causes covid. The presence of SARS-CoV-2 does not necessarily indicate the contraction of the disease. The symptoms which usually follow inoculation of the virus are normally your immune system fighting off infection and are not necessarily symptoms of the disease.

This is where so many of the figures seem contradictory or overstated, because they're usually two different figures. And not understanding this is usually why people are so quick to call BS on research showing that 78% of covid patients have myocardial involvement. Because they think that means that 78% of the UK's 60k positive tests for coronavirus can expect some kind of heart issues.

As for how many of those cases of positive coronavirus inoculations result in patients contracting covid? We probably won't know those numbers for another few years just like how we don't find out the real figures for the flu until years later.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Metdevil

Yes, they test for the specific strain of coronavirus which causes covid. The presence of SARS-CoV-2 does not necessarily indicate the contraction of the disease. The symptoms which usually follow inoculation of the virus are normally your immune system fighting off infection and are not necessarily symptoms of the disease.

This is where so many of the figures seem contradictory or overstated, because they're usually two different figures. And not understanding this is usually why people are so quick to call BS on research showing that 78% of covid patients have myocardial involvement. Because they think that means that 78% of the UK's 60k positive tests for coronavirus can expect some kind of heart issues.

As for how many of those cases of positive coronavirus inoculations result in patients contracting covid? We probably won't know those numbers for another few years just like how we don't find out the real figures for the flu until years later.

Wow...you made me look that up. Spot on. Never knew that!

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...that-causes-it

So these PCR tests that people are taking, is it to test for SARS-CoV-2 or Covid 19?

[tweeked]

All the more reason for the stats to be presented in a way that does not at first glance overestimate the effect. Death rate or permanent damage rate should be presented in the same way. Making it sound like 78% of near 30000 Australians that tested positive now have damaged hearts is just irresponsible.

Using some "medicalese" that says "you don't know the difference between a case and a case" smacks of medical arrogance.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 6th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

13 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.185%. NSW recorded 5 cases, WA / Victoria 3 each, Queensland / SA recorded 1 case each.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.141% and active cases 61.

The UK had a new record 62,022 cases yesterday and 1,041 deaths.

Just over 233.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 3,736 deaths sees CMR fall to 1.695% and active cases at 38.7% with the raw numbers rising and now at 8.3M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 87M, the last 1M in 2 days;
Africa records a new daily high with 34,872 cases, a 14% increase;
South America records a new daily high with 102,442 cases, the previous high back on July 7th;
The USA completes 263M and India 177M tests.

Malta (224);
Norway (787);
Uruguay (944) - 26% above the previous high;
Nigeria (1,664) - 23% above the high yesterday;
UAE (2,067);
Malaysia (2,593);
Tunisia (2,820);
Slovenia (3,354) - 28% above the previous high in October;
Lebanon (4,166) 15% above the high yesterday;
Japan (4,357);
Ireland (7,832) - 28% above the previous high;
Indonesia (8,854);
Portugal (10,027) - 31% above the previous high;
Czechia (17,278);
South Africa (21,832) - 21% above the previous high; and
the United Kingdom (62,022)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[Citroënbender]

So… While the experts are most likely experting on other matters, and without intent of stirring up inter-state friction…

What are the goals of Victoria and New South Wales in relation to the current outbreaks and management thereof (including border restrictions)? I don’t recall reading clear detail on this.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

So… While the experts are most likely experting on other matters, and without intent of stirring up inter-state friction…

What are the goals of Victoria and New South Wales in relation to the current outbreaks and management thereof (including border restrictions)? I don’t recall reading clear detail on this.

I am not sure, but VIC classifying all of NSW a zone is out of control and we need a national stance on this.

We can not close off borders at a drop of a hat for a handful of cases.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I am not sure, but VIC classifying all of NSW a zone is out of control and we need a national stance on this.

We can not close off borders at a drop of a hat for a handful of cases.

Funny, NSW did that to all of Victoria for months, country Victoria didn't have cases either.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Funny, NSW did that to all of Victoria for months, country Victoria didn't have cases either.

Stop with the facts will ya.

NSW failing to contain the NSW virus, not only in their own state, but spreading it to other states... but it's VIC's "lack of confidence in contact tracing" that has seen the border closed to the virus state.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I am not sure, but VIC classifying all of NSW a zone is out of control and we need a national stance on this.

We can not close off borders at a drop of a hat for a handful of cases.

It says more about their confidence (or lack thereof) in the contact tracing space. Given what they endured most of last year, I don't blame them.