Covid 19 -

[cs123]

3 new cases in Victoria, good result. Fingers crossed for NSW today.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by cs123

3 new cases in Victoria, good result. Fingers crossed for NSW today.

Drove past a few testing sites on the eastern suburbs this morning. Cars are building up. This was quiet early in the morning and it was ****ing down.

I am quite surprised so many people are actually lining up to get tested. Is everyone really feeling unwell or they just want to be cautious? Anyway its good to see I guess.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 2nd, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

43 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.193%. NSW recorded 19 cases, Victoria 12, the NT 7, WA 3 and Queensland recorded 1.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.156% and active cases 49.

The UK had a new record 57,724 cases yesterday and 445 deaths.

Just under 221k new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,529 deaths sees CMR fall to 1.725% and active cases at 39.3% with the raw numbers rising and now over 8.1M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Europe passes 24M cases;
The USA completes 256M and Belarus 4M tests.

Only -
UAE (1,963) for the 4th consecutive day;
Ireland (3,394) - almost double the high yesterday; and
United Kingdom (57,724)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[Tickford.]

Meanwhile... this photo was taken last night from inside the Sydney Coliseum Theatre.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Meanwhile... this photo was taken last night from inside the Sydney Coliseum Theatre.



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That's ridiculous... we are our own worst enemy.



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[Yellow_Festiva]

Went to Bunnings this arvo. They had security turning away anyone without a mask.

I should have got some popcorn and stayed longer.

The looks on some peoples faces!! Mask?? What do you mean?? Since when??

When you say do some people live under a rock... the answer is apparently yes.

Tomorrow when fines start they are going to make an absolute killing...

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[FairmontGS]

'We read about it in The Age': Virus-linked venue owners' concern at Health Department delay

Poor communication from the Victorian Health Department has left several Melbourne venue owners frustrated and concerned after coronavirus cases were connected with their premises.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...03-p56rgo.html

[FairmontGS]

'For two days we've been turned away': Victorians facing long testing queues as state works to contain coronavirus outbreak

"We're seeing the wrong information being provided to people who have returned to Victoria. The government needs to fix this and fix this quickly,"

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...5-6a1b6601da2c

[Yellow_Festiva]

Most people pay electronically. How hard would it be to pinpoint exactly who shopped where in what time frame based on the payment information??

That would make more sense than simply urging people to do the right thing?

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[cs123]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Most people pay electronically. How hard would it be to pinpoint exactly who shopped where in what time frame based on the payment information??

That would make more sense than simply urging people to do the right thing?

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Do they legally have access to that data? I'd suggest not without some sort of court order.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by cs123

Do they legally have access to that data? I'd suggest not without some sort of court order.

No, but in our electronic age it would take all of 5 minutes to find exactly who purchased something at a given time if they paid by EFTPOS.

But yes, you need a month of paperwork and applications to get that...

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Most people pay electronically. How hard would it be to pinpoint exactly who shopped where in what time frame based on the payment information??

That would make more sense than simply urging people to do the right thing?

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NSW health has already stated they will use credit cards/ETF transfers to track down the people.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

NSW health has already stated they will use credit cards/ETF transfers to track down the people.

i didnt think the banks would play ball with that handing over private data
on whom spent what where

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by wodahs

i didnt think the banks would play ball with that handing over private data
on whom spent what where

Most shops have CCTV, just run a few Pics through facebook (which is in the public domain) their facial recognition software should indentify a few people Plus GOVCO have your Drivers Licence Pic Too..


Just a Thought..

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by wodahs

i didnt think the banks would play ball with that handing over private data
on whom spent what where

I would have thought everybody would know by now in special times needs special actions to combat this virus, personal liberties and rights are being overridden for the common good and this has already happened in Victoria and now happening in NSW.
Have not seen any bleeding hearts complaining lately.

Cheers

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

I would have thought everybody would know by now in special times needs special actions to combat this virus, personal liberties and rights are being overridden for the common good and this has already happened in Victoria and now happening in NSW.
Have not seen any bleeding hearts complaining lately.

Cheers

Even the health groups doing the tracing are firewalling the info being given to other agencies .. as in not giving it.

I really don't see it happening to be honest. The organisations that process those payments will not hand it over to a state government, which would leave the retailer to hand to over and I doubt they would either.

[Tickford.]

Coronavirus: Thousands at risk from Berala BWS bottle-o cluster in Sydney's west

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sub...s&mode=premium



Thousands told to self-isolate as new Sydney cluster emerges

Another serious breach of NSW's hotel quarantine program has sparked a new coronavirus cluster, with thousands who visited a bottle shop in Sydney's west over Christmas and New Year's being asked to self-isolate.

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-an...0210103-p56rep

[CoupeKing]

Fancy that......

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 3rd, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

13 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.191%. NSW recorded 11 cases and Victoria recorded 3.

19 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.146% and active cases 72.

The UK had 54,490 cases yesterday and 454 deaths.

Just over 247k new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,116 deaths sees CMR fall to 1.715% and active cases at 39.2% with the raw numbers rising and now over 8.1M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting):
Global cases pass 85M with the last 1M in 2 days;
Global deaths pass 1.85M with the last 50k in 4 days;
The USA passes 21M cases;
North America passes 24M cases;
The USA completes 258M, India 174M, France 36M, and Lebanon 2M tests.

Only -
Mozambique (341) - the previous high on 24/9;
Ireland (4,961) - 25% above the high yesterday; and
Canada (11,373)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[russellw]

So, a couple of weeks back we looked at the USA modelling to see where numbers might be by the end of 2020.

We predicted somewhere between 20-21M cases and ~340k deaths while the actual numbers were 20.45M cases 354k deaths so cases were about right but the death rate has been a little higher than the models suggest.

Based on the current trends, the predicted numbers for the end of January are 32M cases in the USA and 480k deaths but you'd hope that both those targets aren't reached.





While we are modelling, the UK had been running below the best case trend line but overtook that in early November and is now running slightly above the worst case trend line to the point where they will be at 3.8M cases by the end of January if they don't get to terms with it (they are currently at 2.6M) which would be a 32% increase in only one month. The model for UK deaths is not as grim with the current trend line below the upper predictive model but still on target for about 90k by the end of January - still 15k more than they are at now.





We'll revisit those at the end of January to see how it really trended.

[Itsme]

Geez I don't know what is worse! reading the news papers about covid19 updates or reading the 2nd hand news updates that get posted in this topic.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Geez I don't know what is worse! reading the news papers about covid19 updates or reading the 2nd hand news updates that get posted in this topic.

As a Victorian you should be greatful that we have a NSWelshman filtering all the Victorian news for us. Day in day out. I really appreciate that all the faults are highlighted too. I'll give him a gold star for gold standard.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

As a Victorian you should be greatful that we have a NSWelshman filtering all the Victorian news for us. Day in day out. I really appreciate that all the faults are highlighted too. I'll give him a gold star for gold standard.

You get the day off today - I couldn't find anything negative about Victoria to post

All the bad news is north of the Murray ATM.

[cs123]

What's the latest on the vaccine. Does it actually stop you becoming infected or just the progression of the illness?

If it's the later how will that work? They can protect the aged/ill and let it rip though the rest of the population?

[HIPO]

Originally Posted by cs123

What's the latest on the vaccine. Does it actually stop you becoming infected or just the progression of the illness?

If it's the later how will that work? They can protect the aged/ill and let it rip though the rest of the population?

God only knows, which one? every man & their dog is releasing them... funny that!
Anyone seen stats for the other flu's this past year, thats looking mighty suss too!

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by HIPO

God only knows, which one? every man & their dog is releasing them... funny that!
Anyone seen stats for the other flu's this past year, thats looking mighty suss too!

I'm not sure which stats you're talking about in particular (or how they look suss), but in NZ we almost eradicated that too...
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/progr...ue-to-lockdown

He said there has been "near extinction of influenza in New Zealand following our very effective Covid-19 response", as numbers vanished from the two standard systems for surveillance - resulting in a 99.8 percent reduction in flu cases.

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Fancy that......

*video*

Things would be a lot easier if everyone knew that these symptoms were a result of your immune system working
Maybe then we wouldn't have all these anti-vaxxers saying stupid things like "the vaccine makes you sick", "I don't vaccinate my kids, and they never get sick".

Luckily with these vaccines being mRNA vaccines, we shouldn't have to worry about people 'getting sick from the vaccine' since they don't actually contain the virus itself...

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by cs123

What's the latest on the vaccine. Does it actually stop you becoming infected or just the progression of the illness?

If it's the later how will that work? They can protect the aged/ill and let it rip though the rest of the population?

From what I’ve read I think the latter scenario, so provide protection to vulnerable by reducing impact of infection rather than overall prevention of any transmission of infection.

Originally Posted by cs123

What's the latest on the vaccine. Does it actually stop you becoming infected or just the progression of the illness?

If it's the later how will that work? They can protect the aged/ill and let it rip though the rest of the population?

My layman understanding of it is that vaccination doesn't stop you from becoming infected with the virus but seeing as your body knows how to fight it off, it prevents progression into the disease so you're less likely to die from it.
So like an intruder in your house, the bad guy might be able to open your front door but there's a machine gun waiting for him on the other side so he's probably not going to get real far.

And there is no "letting it rip through the rest of the population", at least as far as our country is concerned. Medical professionals have already proven that most people who contract covid are left with heart damage even if they only had mild symptoms. There's speculation on what this might mean for their life expectancy but so far it's too soon to tell, not even including the damage to the other organs.

I've done my part to keep others safe but I don't really want to be thrown under the bus in order to further guarantee the now-vulnerable elderly population who have already lived a full life during the greatest economic conditions the country ever saw.
Younger generations have sacrificed enough in 2020 to keep the vulnerable safe, let's not also ask them to cop permanent organ damage and possibly shortened life expectancy while also being saddled with the responsibility of having to rebuild the country's economy over the course of their lives and not even getting to enjoy their shortened lifespan with reasonable prosperity.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by leesa

My layman understanding of it is that vaccination doesn't stop you from becoming infected with the virus but seeing as your body knows how to fight it off, it prevents progression into the disease so you're less likely to die from it.
So like an intruder in your house, the bad guy might be able to open your front door but there's a machine gun waiting for him on the other side so he's probably not going to get real far.

And there is no "letting it rip through the rest of the population", at least as far as our country is concerned. Medical professionals have already proven that most people who contract covid are left with heart damage even if they only had mild symptoms. There's speculation on what this might mean for their life expectancy but so far it's too soon to tell, not even including the damage to the other organs.

I've done my part to keep others safe but I don't really want to be thrown under the bus in order to further guarantee the now-vulnerable elderly population who have already lived a full life during the greatest economic conditions the country ever saw.
Younger generations have sacrificed enough in 2020 to keep the vulnerable safe, let's not also ask them to cop permanent organ damage and possibly shortened life expectancy while also being saddled with the responsibility of having to rebuild the country's economy over the course of their lives and not even getting to enjoy their shortened lifespan with reasonable prosperity.

I suppose that is what my question was. If it stops you getting seriously ill, then it is assumed that the virus will propagate through the population and everyone will catch it eventually, just that those vaccinated will not get seriously ill... so anyone who isn't vaccinated is at risk?

Regular vaccines stop the virus propagating as they stop people being infected.

Interesting year ahead if that is the case

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by leesa

My layman understanding of it is that vaccination doesn't stop you from becoming infected with the virus but seeing as your body knows how to fight it off, it prevents progression into the disease so you're less likely to die from it.
So like an intruder in your house, the bad guy might be able to open your front door but there's a machine gun waiting for him on the other side so he's probably not going to get real far.

And there is no "letting it rip through the rest of the population", at least as far as our country is concerned. Medical professionals have already proven that most people who contract covid are left with heart damage even if they only had mild symptoms. There's speculation on what this might mean for their life expectancy but so far it's too soon to tell, not even including the damage to the other organs.

I've done my part to keep others safe but I don't really want to be thrown under the bus in order to further guarantee the now-vulnerable elderly population who have already lived a full life during the greatest economic conditions the country ever saw.
Younger generations have sacrificed enough in 2020 to keep the vulnerable safe, let's not also ask them to cop permanent organ damage and possibly shortened life expectancy while also being saddled with the responsibility of having to rebuild the country's economy over the course of their lives and not even getting to enjoy their shortened lifespan with reasonable prosperity.

“Most people” have heart damage after covid? How about providing proof other than the sky is falling dramatic statements.