The choice? XR6 HP or VCT

[cArSiK]

Originally Posted by HP Dude

I find that an interesting statement given your signature! ;)


FWIW, the HP on smooth tarmac handles as well (if not better) than the IRS models: hence the racetrack advantage. However, on bumpy roads, I'd rather be behind the wheel of an IRS XR.

In regards to oversteer, the HP is a beautifully progressive power oversteerer. There's absolutely no lack of control; and if there is, it's because the guy behind the wheel is a knob who can't drive.

To be honest, I've found the HP more comfortable/progressive in oversteer than the IRS XR8. This again relates to that racetrack advantage that a HP has over the IRS XRs.

They way I look at it, the XR models complement each other. Each has different strengths and weaknesses. I think they complement each other well:

XR8 and XR6 VCT: Fun in the twisties where the surfaces are crap or wet.

XR6HP: Fun and faster than the VCT on the racetrack (and pretty much as quick as an XR8 even with the power and torque deficit).

Again, I like all three.

Dont get me wrong im sure the HP is a very capable car in the handling department , however no other live axle falcon I have driven (on the street i might add) has come close to an IRS falcon in terms of puting power down in certain situations and general rear end adheasiveness. From what ive been told the HP is fantastic on the track - i dont drive my car on the track (unfortunately) so i wouldnt know how the IRS AU compares in those situations.

Thats the major reason for me choosing a VCT over a HP. The power windows and 6 stacker etc dont excite me.I was sold on the cars balance and grip levels.

James

[SVR73]

[QUOTE=Casper]Um, that would be 172kw and 374Nm


yeah with standard exhaust and air intake form which mine is not
don't know what mufflers it has on it , was already on it.
gee my torque figures are way off, must of confused the AU1 v8 with the vct

Sorry.

VCT all the way ,I owned the AU1 VCT and i could not fault it

[AnthonyQLD]

Originally Posted by DeathXR

I don't understand the point of bagging VCT being a HP owner, except only as a light-hearted jibe. In the end, they're both AU XR6s, and non-AU fans don't give a rats **** either way I bet, so we should be sticking it up them together!

+1 lets agree to disagree

[Mr Cube]

Originally Posted by SVR73

The bodykit with bi plane spoiler is the best bodykit on an AU

Amen...

I got both a HP and VCT and I have to say the VCT drives better, better throttle response and engine pickup..

Handling can't compare cause the HP is a Ute lowered on 17"s
VCT sedan lowered on 19"s

[rob_liss_lms10]

had an au1 hp auto, now have au2 vct man. I perfer the vct as it puts the power to the grnd so much better. Have had the vct on the track and handled the fast corners well as it also did powering out of slow corners.I cant say if the hp wasnt as good or even better as the hp was auto and the vct is man.

[jspec_sti]

A mate of mine owns an AUIII XR6 VCT and we frequently go on runs together in search of country pubs to "sample" some ales.

All I can say is don't underestimate the XR6 VCT in straight line or twisty road performance. On a twisty road we basically break even, if anything the V8's ability to power down in straight sections gives it a slight advantage. In a straight line, if the XR6 catches me napping, it's only the top end of the V8 (and the lovely Windsor "roar") that allows me to catch up, usually at the borderline of the posted speed limit. If the HP is indeed faster, then AU V8's had better watch out...

I voted XR6 VCT because of the sheer enjoyment of driving with one, and combined with the IRS is a pretty mean setup for our country cruises.

[dale hancock]

go the forte

[cArSiK]

Originally Posted by dale han

go the forte

So another vote for the HP then...


(Joke :sm_headba )

[HP Dude]

Originally Posted by cArSiK

So another vote for the HP then...


(Joke :sm_headba )

lol! :Reverend:

[AU-MUSTD]

Vct for me as anything with more power in stock form has got to be a good thing and they have the same reliability so its a no brainer for me.

[justa6]

i drove both when i got mine and did't feel any difference. I think i was more just so excited about getting a new XR it didn't really matter. So it ended up being a hp.
The feeling of knowing your driving the best car on the road and everyone is looking at it, unforgetable.

[bdennis]

When I purhcased my AUII VCT. Early AUII times. The VCT was much better optioned.
It had IRS, LSD, 6 stacker, more power..
The IRS was / is a much better ride and stuck to the ground better. The VCT seemed to go better.
I was more than happy with it until I sold it for a BA XR6T....

[XR_Strider_GuY]

Simple answer, have both in the family. There are good and bad things with both. Me, I'm the HP its that bit more raucious and although it needs more driver involvement around the twisties, you have to work the steering, set the corner approach up, brake at the right time, but when you do it rewards and flatters, in the sense that you did the work and was your effort.

[Mark351]

Just say it Gaz - VCTs are wussies!!

[Casper]

Originally Posted by DeathXR

Just say it Gaz - VCTs are wussies!!

: We'll see about that I guess. Heathcote will be much more interesting this time (if I can get traction)

[Mark351]

*does fishing motion*

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by buickman

Since I own a Fairmont Ghia with the VCT I would have to go VCT being as its Fords ultimate final development on the SOHC 6 cyl mtr.

If I really wanted to make more power I would go the V8.

^^^ the man spoke my language :eclipsee_

If I really really had to choose a HADAU : VCT for the later tech and the IRS.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by XR_Strider_GuY

Simple answer, have both in the family. There are good and bad things with both. Me, I'm the HP its that bit more raucious and although it needs more driver involvement around the twisties, you have to work the steering, set the corner approach up, brake at the right time, but when you do it rewards and flatters, in the sense that you did the work and was your effort.

Sound like all those 3fb cruises we went on Gary you trying to keep up with a Meteorite AU :nutsycuck :

[Dark Horse]

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Sound like all those 3fb cruises we went on Gary you trying to keep up with a Meteorite AU :nutsycuck :

Darky gets out his footage from the Meteorite AU having a hard time catching Strider up Victoria Pass! It's damn nice uphill twistied coming back from Bathurst. Mind you it was dead flat race track like surfacing that no doubt would've made for some beautiful performance exhibited by the XR6 HP that day.

[FTE217]

Come on Darky if we didn't stay behind filming it there wouldn't be a storey to tell lol....
Thats the only time a Team Venom AU would be in front of me LOL.....apart from a triple lane block by the pack of you !! lol.......

[Dark Horse]

Heh! Creative excuses for also being overtaken by a Skyline?

Err back to topic methinks....

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Dark Horse

Heh! Creative excuses for also being overtaken by a Skyline?

Err back to topic methinks....

Hum he took Gary also at dangerous speeds which isn't worth being a hero over
Ah dimensia for such a young person :

[Dark Horse]

LOL j/k re the creative excuses comment.

It was all good fun in the end - plenty of lane changing action was filmed.

[V8falcons]

I had a XR6VCT ute (hence the name)but I didnt really like its torque compared to my EL xr6,and parents au xr6 both these car would have distroyed my ute off the mark.

I was going to fit a hp engine in my wagon,but decided to mod this "intec"engine and see what I can get out of it with a cam,extractors,3.45 lsd,chip and dyno maybe down the track

[Paxton]

I still see my VCT as the only reason why I am in a Territory at the moment. If I had received a bad run with that car (and the engine, which was the precursor to the BA 182) I would be in a X5, paying for it for the next 8 years. My VCT is still the best Ford I have ever owned. It was quick, powerful (never had a problem towing my boat, even as a T5), and my Wife liked it, when she could understand that the clutch had to be fully removed before accelerating again, which to this day she can't understand.

I had no qualms with my XR6. It was not slow, ok, you couldn't modify it, but it was my company car. I couldn't modify it. The note change between 3 and 4 K RPM brought a smile to my face every time I went through it, and a tear to my eye on the last day - I thrashed the living crap out of the car in the last week. The engine had character, which the Territory does not.

Casper, you and I are a rare breed. I choose my VCT because it was the 'top' XR6. I wanted the new engine, and I also wanted the resale value at the end of the three years, when Ford took the car back off me.

Long live the VCT.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by paxtonandrew

Casper, you and I are a rare breed.

Well, to my utmost surprise, I am starting to think we are not so rare afterall. I cant begin to say how stunned I am at the poll so far. Anyone who doesnt think there has been a major shift in opinion on the VCT really wasnt taking notice of how much it was generally looked down on around mid 2003. Looking at it now, seems it had gone from the ugly duckling of the AU range to a bit of a swan.

Truth is that, at this point, the HP is still the more "powerful" car in full modded specs but seems the VCT has other attributes people seem to place higher (such as the IRS).

[Mark351]

Involvement Reduction Suspension :P

[mik]

i bought mine jan this year (vctau2) i had not driven an xr6 before that, i had 3 v8s before it , the first test drive i fell in love with the six, and it has not missed a beat in that time, it does seem the faster it goes the better it drives ,i would love to give it a squirt at track one day. vct for me

[XR_Strider_GuY]

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Hum he took Gary also at dangerous speeds which isn't worth being a hero over
Ah dimensia for such a young person :

Well it was a case of "Mr R30 Skyline" passing me when the race was over and I had finished mooning and looning around up Vic Pass like a mans under pants is on fire. : :