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the sky is falling again. more damage is done to the Ford name by threads like this in a ford forum than anything else.
negativity breeds failure and encourages the press to write about the end of Ford in Australia. We need to be talking the Falcon up not pubicly preparing for the funeral
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We (this is a broad generalisation) have done this to ourselves, we are a greedy population with an even greedier government, we have greedy unions that are feeding our own greedy wants and then we whinge when we have to pay more for a product that we have ourselves manufactured or produced causing the high price tag due to our greedy wants for higher wages and salaries. We started this cycle and we will end it with massively high unemployment due to all manufacturing leaving our shores so they can find a way to produce things cheaper so we will actually buy it.
We love the product but we won't buy it because it is too dear, or doesn't have the **** features we want for the price so we go buy a car from overseas with the features at a price that we are willing to pay and probably made cheaper by the fact the workers building them are $10-20 cheaper to pay and probably without our entitlements we expect as an employee. Sorry but this is a no brainer for me, if we want to keep manufacturing and these companies in Australia lets all take a paycut, reduce our entitlements and so on and so forth as without this and then expecting a wage rise in the future we are causing our employers to shut down or move overseas to stay viable. FoA is only one fish in a sea of manufacturing in Australia ready to shut the doors because of profitability and viability.
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I heard rumours a few months ago that Prodrive has been made an offer to have the rights for FPV bought back from it. This can only mean one thing.
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It's interesting to get a look at the corporate reasoning and the view of Australian workers.
The below is the reported views of Toyota. I wonder if the same sentements apply at Ford. A really telling interview of Toyota Australia chief executive Max Yasuda in Australian Financial Review earlier this year gave a HUGE insight into the poor competitiveness in the industry. 30% absenteeism. Strikes. All after Toyota fought to keep all workers on during GFC AND after the Tsunami - which saw production halve... Quote:
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Exactly Trippytaka, we chuck sickies and then expect to be payed for it, just one of the many entitlements hurting businesses Australia wide.
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Ford does not know what to do, otherwise it would make a public statement.
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The unions are unwittingly putting themselves out of a job by having such cushy job conditions. I mean in the AU public service its near impossible to get sacked, you have to actually break the law...and even then u might not get sacked.
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Its still not good enough, and perhaps workers have to much protection these days, but you can imagine your enthusiasm being beaten. Cant companies simply state that if your leave is higher than say x% without good reasons then you are shown the door?
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I would happily work for minimum wage ($15-16 an hour) if house prices were not so high.
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House pricing in Australia is one of the biggest contributors to our want of higher wages.
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I have to agree. So many threads have been started the past month and it is ALL doom and gloom.
No-one can say with 100% certainty what the future holds, anything can happen. You can be certain though, that all this negative talk on here, doesn't do anyone any good, apart from the fact you get to blow off a little steam and frustration. I am getting fed up with reading the same things and points about it, over and over and over.....It is like a broken record.
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People earn way to much here. Its crazy. Everyone should take massive pay cuts. $15 - 25 an hour should be all anyone should get. And I wouldnt mind going from my $20 down to $15 if everyone else did in proportion.
Who needs $80 grand + a year? No one. If you do, its you who are are ruining Australia. Its a useless country, we make nothing. I cant realy understand how we exist apart from mining. Every one is in service now manufacturing for export is pretty much gone. How does it work?! |
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Firstly, Australian isnt ruined. 2ndly, its the bludgers on Centrelink living in Byron Bay or Sunshine Coast who are sponging off the rest of us who are the problem. Or the bludgers claiming a back problem/injury which they fake. |
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Another article:
Component industry expects Ford to exit Australia http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-3...tralia/4163540 The receiver of a number of failed companies in the automotive industry says the closure of Ford in Australia is a foregone conclusion. Earlier this month, Ford announced it was slashing production at its Victorian plants by almost a third because of falling sales. The company was given a $34 million government bail-out in January to secure production until 2016. Stephen Longley works for the receivers, PPB Advisory, which has been involved in winding up failed companies such as APV Automotive and Ajax Fasteners. He says components makers have completely written Ford out of their business plans from 2016. "It's going to be a slow death, or nearly a death by 1,000 cuts for some of the suppliers," he told ABC local radio. "There's been no announcements. The expectation though, is that this will happen. "And without any announcements, all the people I deal with in the supply chain are assuming this is going to be the case. "So decisions are being made on the basis that Ford will definitely not be around from 2016." He says Ford does not have an export market and local sales are down. He believes the Australian industry may have a role in the global strategy in terms of design, but not manufacturing. A company spokesman is refusing to comment on the reports except to say it stands by its previous statement that it is committed to remaining in Australia. Bill Shorten, the Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations says change in the manufacturing industry is inevitable. "Without conceding Ford's going... that we'll wake up one morning and find Ford is no longer there, change is an inevitable part of the Australian economy," he said. "I think manufacturing will continue in Australia and it will continue in Victoria. "I believe the high dollar has accelerated some change." David Purchase from the Victorian Automobile Chamber of Commerce says Ford is doing everything it can to stay in Australia. ![]() "All the actions which they're taking are obviously designed to make them more efficient and more competitive in a very competitive global market," he said. "I think the commitments that the Government has extracted from Ford will, we hope, see it remain in this country well past 2016." He says there are a lot of jobs reliant on the automotive sector. "One job in this industry supports five in other industries. Two-hundred-and-fifty thousand people work in this industry and only 50,000 work in manufacturing. "There are 200,000 in retail and the parts sector. That's often overlooked and forgotten." |
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This comes at no surprise.
I still stand by my prediction!
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interesting that no one has mentioned the lack of protection tariffs.
years ago the local industries had a tariff against imported products which was to equalize pricing somewhat and protect local goods from much cheaper priced goods from over seas. with the reduction or outright removal of this ,local industry's have closed shop and gone elsewhere it is also true about the other factors that other members have raised here however the answer is a complicated one involving basically a culture change ( the way we live) the governments says that they don't get involved in private enterprise however is it not the job of the governments to formulate laws to protect local industries? by removing controls we are then left to the mercy of overseas manufacturing which has a much cheaper life style which is in some cases controlled by some governments which, if you recall years ago called out for us to remove the protection we then had while at the same time keeping in place their own (some countries had up to 60%) level playing field? HAH!!! once we loose the base skills that we currently have, its gone forever
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When you look at the technology in a Ford Mondeo Titanium or Ford Taurus SHO what I'd like to know is how on earth did Ford Australia get so many years behind ? The gulf in latest technology has never been wider IMO.
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Like anything Rodge its all about the $$$, simply as that. If we all step back and be rational about it, would you invest in the current formula?
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Typical pessimistic thread from our 'glass half empty committee' here on the Forum.
So Ford hasn't announced it's manufacturing locally post 2016... so far, I havn't heard officially that it won't be either.
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the sooner the baby boomers are told the next generation is not going to buy there $80,000 house for $800,000 just because they fell like they deserve a lavish and comftable retirment. Prices and our currency will drop, but the standard of living will go up. Imagine your wife being able to stay home to raise your children rather than being institusinalised into the schools system from 6 months old, having time on saturday and sunday to enjoy life, all of a sudden you dont need 2 cars or 2 car ports, you dont need a whashing machine or dryer or dishwasher. Your children learn to live with less and go outside and play sport not facebook, and if these olymipics are anything to go by, the australians needed alot more sport and a whole lot less facebook the last couple of years, tall poopy will always be our curse.
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