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27-04-2012, 12:05 PM | #1 | |||
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27-04-2012, 07:10 PM | #2 | |||
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A mate of mine who has a Hybrid Camry returns excellent economy results driving along the Motorway of a morning - most of the time it's on battery due to the staggering speed you're able to obtain. Would stop/start option have helped me this morning? Possibly. Spent a lot of time stopped in my 1.5 hour, 18km trek into the City. I'd have thought the money saved would be spent later down the track on wear and tear..? |
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27-04-2012, 10:38 PM | #3 | |||
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Perth motorists are awful. Rude, inconsiderate, dangerous and incompetent, all rolled into one. Favourite games of Motoristis Perthies species is race to the merge point and speed up to stop him from changing lanes and of course, that evergreen favourite, run the red. And with no land to build new infrastucture on, and no infrastructure planned anyway, this place is going to be an absolute disaster of a place to do anything in 10 years time.
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02-05-2012, 08:09 PM | #4 | |||
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Now for Thunderdome Perth. People can't drive. They either pull out in front of you, or expect a 30km gap and wait an hour to pullout. People love to start fights. Everyones getting their pride hurt and taking everything WAY too seriously. You don't get a polite toot. You get a fully seated horn blast, a heap of abuse, and in some cases they'll get out the car at the lights, yell through the open drivers window a heap of abuse then punch the panels as they walk away. And their the guys in business suits. I've seen it many times. People are either stoned, drunk, mental, suicidal, or asleep, or all of the above on the roads in Perth. I'm glad we don't have easy to get guns here, or we'd be LA. Now as regards stop/start EcoLPi, as long as the air con still worked, at least you'd be saving money while society goes down the plug hole in front of you at a red light.
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27-04-2012, 01:50 AM | #5 | ||
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i guess it depends where you are , i know my neck of the woods there are multiple intersections in peak times where you can be trapped, or on one stretch of road with many sets of lights in a short distance, not to mention the rail line running north south about 2 k`s to the east of me , and another running north south about 2 k`s west of me :(, so there are multiple boom gates to get past,
not to mention we often have the western ring road car park/ eastern freeway car park, sydney rd car park,reservoir junction car park, and many more , you can just watch your fuel gauge going down traveling in peak times. |
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27-04-2012, 06:38 AM | #6 | ||
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This technology is great for manufacturers to put in their cars because it enables them to save 0.5-1L/100km on the URBAN cycle for the official fuel economy test of their cars.
In the real world it saves stuff all, unless you're constantly driving in the city, and constantly stopping for prolonged periods. And, if that's the case, just buy a friggen hybrid and be done with it. |
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27-04-2012, 07:53 AM | #7 | ||
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I like the idea in general. But I wonder how quickly the system would spring into action at an intersection, when you are stationary, trying to enter a gap in fast flowing traffic. Without having driven a car with this feature I would feel uneasy going for a small break in traffic.
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27-04-2012, 07:43 PM | #8 | ||
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My Javelins have had stop-start technology for years ... Largely unintentional stopping and hard starting
originally I thought this sounded like a stupid idea, but I suppose wew just have faith that it's been tested and will work ok .. |
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27-04-2012, 10:52 PM | #9 | ||
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I find it funny that everyone is complaining about it but it's not even here yet.
It's just another feature that Ford can premote, hopefully sell more cars to city people and stop us internet-nerds complaining about the company being always late with new technologies. |
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28-04-2012, 03:25 AM | #10 | ||
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ill tell you one thing...at least we knowif ford do release this it will be done and ready for the market...some brands have had bad stop start tech for years....
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28-04-2012, 11:37 AM | #11 | ||
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i reckon if any engine could do the stop start thing it`s the inline six, i pulled an Au engine apart a while ago with plenty of miles on it, and the bottom end was like new, truly it looked like it would do another 10 years service no problems.
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01-05-2012, 09:14 PM | #12 | |||
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01-05-2012, 09:36 PM | #13 | ||
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Holden are also targeting weight reduction with an aluminium bonnet etc, something Ford won't be doing.
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01-05-2012, 09:42 PM | #14 | ||
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wait, are you guys really praising AU falcon aircon? are you kidding?
take a ride in a mid 90's widebody camry and then you'll learn what truly good aircon is like. i can't believe that there's been a ford made in the last decade that has worse aircon than an AU?
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02-05-2012, 07:02 PM | #15 | ||
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Stop start can be annoying at times. A bit hessitant from experience but it does save fuel and emissions! My instant fuel economy drops from 2.0l in drive to 1.5l in neutral so I always do that at lights..On a sidenot the FG A/C is already the weakest I've ever experienced so it can't possibly get any worse
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02-05-2012, 08:12 PM | #16 | |||
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02-05-2012, 10:16 PM | #17 | ||
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I don't think the wear and tear will be any more than 'normal' on a modern engine, especially if it has been designed with this technology in mind. Think of the cars going around that do this anyway such as taxi's, courier vans etc.
It will save petrol in certain driving conditions. I used to live in an area where there was a long slightly downhill stretch that was always crawling in the morning. I would often turn the car off and roll down in neutral at a snails pace for several minutes. After a few jabs of the brake pedal it used to go hard and would often take a lot of effort to stop the car, but when you were doing 3km /h that was hardly a problem. Didn't have power steering so that wasn't effected. I wasn't the only one doing it either... you would often see a crawling car all of a sudden nose dive - the drivers were coasting along pressing the brake full force and the brake pump would kick in upon starting, increasing pressure and locking up the wheels! The air-con issue... I don't mind the air-con in my Focus, actually think it is too cold as I often need to turn it off and re-circulate the air for a few minutes to gradually increase the temp - even when the fan is on the lowest setting...... sort of like a manual 'economy' mode. I'm not a fan of using the air-con for anything other than cold - if I need heat thats what the engine is for! So, if this stop start technology is so 'smart' why can't a system be integrated into the works that turns the air-con automatically to re-circulate when the engine turns off?? If the cabin is already cold it will take a few minutes for the air to gradually increase in temp by a few degrees, by which time the car would have taken off again, activating the air-con and chilling the air back to the set temp?? This will remove the need to electronically driven air-con??? Would be better than totally off I would imagine?
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02-05-2012, 11:10 PM | #18 | |||
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And the cars that still have belt driven A/C compressors will not stop the engine if the current drain is at a certain point. Its funny, most peoples fears about Stop/start, engine ware and battery drain are already put to rest... So there is nothing to fear
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