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China will have three carriers by 2020. Her strategy at containment, and the ability to neutralise by strike, is clever and widespread in application on earth - from Panama to PNG. Carriers are a small but important part of that game of chess. Anyhow, her growing strength is reason why other SEA nations deploy their newer strike aircraft as close as possible to her, including Indonesia's new fighters - to project into the South China Sea. Quote:
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India has had the ex HMS Hermes in her fleet since 1995. Hermes was a great ship in good nick and the RN should of kept her. They (the Indians) have just bought one of the ex Soviet carriers and are modifying it extensively.
Hermes was offered to Aus after the UK withdrew the sale of Invincible. Aus turned it down due to its age. Fact was though, it had "few miles on the clock". Unlike HMAS Melbourne. She was in very poor material condition. |
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The yanks have been doing this since the end of WW2.
I think they are afraid that all those little kids they used to pick on, have been hitting the gym & they can throw their weight around aswell now. |
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Melbourne was very outdated from the get-go, it was falling apart by the 60's (and not just because it kept hitting other ships!) and had to undergo a major refit (where they did a lot of 'other' work)! I think it was just one of those cases where we didn't want to let it go, at all. I love hearing stories about the HMAS Melbourne early on, my grandfather was part of the commissioning crew. Because it had so many problems early on, the crew were stuck in the UK for a while - so they drank themselves from one side of Europe to the other! The newer ships coming to the RAN are going to bring some of that aviation capability back (not to the extent of Melbourne and Sydney): http://www.navy.gov.au/Canberra_Class |
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My pop used to work on the Fairy Gannets. One of his friends told us a story from when they were over in Europe & a bunch of guys were trying to smuggle a heap of french wine back to aus in the bomb bay of a fairy gannet. only problem was, either the pilot didnt know or forgot. He did a fly past of one of the aerodromes & opened the bomb bay doors as part of the show when all this fancy french wine fell out & went all over the runway. |
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The fact is they where built to a lower standard than the Illustrious class as the Royal Navy needed ships in quantity and quality was less of a consideration. Having said that many of them have lasted into the 1980s and one Brazilian ship lasted until 2004. They did what they where designed to do. HMS Theseus, Ocean, Triumph and HMAS Sydney did great things in Korea A guy I work with served on Melbourne and we often chat about her. |
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The ship was obsolete by the 1980s... and was sold gutted to china. The only thing they would learn from it is how rust forms.
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The Sov carrier they bought is probly going to be used as a test platform for up and coming military technology, and as a way to train pilots for sea operations, form combat doctrines etc, and may become the blueprint for a future class of carrier to suit whatever operations they see fit. Being an ex Soviet peice of equipment means probly everything in it was antiquated or didnt work anyway, and given todays advances would require a full refit in virtually every area bar the hull and superstructures etc.. To deploy that to sea, they will need frigates and missle cruisers as support, plus bunker tenders if its not a nuc powered plant and jet fuel support tenders etc..
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Dont worry too much about China. They are building 3 more clones of the old Russian one that they are sea trialling now. China has primitive defence technology compared to the US. Aircraft carriers are very easily sunk......
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Interesting read as I'm in the market for a project boat myself...
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"There's a quality to quantity" And he had heaps of good big kids toys from about 1943 to 1953,got his sandbox back with them too.
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and india has a carrier to?, lol. have you seen the build quality of anything from india?
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The British and Portuguese with their 99 year leases on Hong Kong and Macau though they were doing well but all they did was build a whole lot of infrastructure for China. There have been many technology empires in history; Egypt, Mayans, Romans, Portuguese, British, Russian just to name a few and now USA, technology is transient. One quarter of all humans are Chinese, to use a quote often repeated on AFF, "there is no replacement for displacement"......... |
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So there is 1300 people in China exactly like you. |
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Aircraft carriers provide a massive strategic advantage for militaries but would need to be surrounded by ships with a good suite like the American AEGIS system to be effective. For all we know they could be building the next generation of warships in complete secracy.
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Typical arrogant racist type comments. India will have three aircraft carrier battle groups by 2020. And do not say they cannot fight or they are thick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hermes_(R12) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Viraat India is about to become a world power. Australia is having a BBQ. We are telling ourselves how good we are. |
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They are bigger than Melbourne was too. Edit---> just realised I missed a page of this thread before I posted.
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