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As for fuel guzzling: The latest Ecoboost V6 in F150 has the same city/highway fuel consumption as the V8 Pontiac G8. So if Expedition was given the Ecoboost V6 it would be no worse than a V8 Commodore, a V8 diesel would be that much better, even the 2.7 V6 diesel would do in a pinch... |
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And be careful there jpd. I don't think that the V6 going into a much heavier leather laden vehicle will miraculously produce the same figures of a lighter one.
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and the fuel economy for that vehicle is known...... |
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Right, the fuel economy of 2.7 V6 TCDI Discovery is known.... that's what I'm on about, the Disco is 2.7 tonnes - around 6,000 lbs which is very similar to the weight of the Expedition. Therefore, the fuel economy and performance of a 2.7 Disco would be similar to an Expedition fitted with the same V6 diesel.. Do you follow now? |
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![]() Again, i dont see the point. Expedition is Fords last fullsize proper SUV. Why change that after all the effort put into changing Explorer? Expedition is developed off F150 anyway. |
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In fact, I can see the 3.2TDCi and Duratec 35 being standard engines for this car - in the Australian market anyway. For markets in Asia it may stick with the 2.2TDCi and 2.5 petrol, I can't see the bigger diesel and petrol motors going well in Asia.
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Theres too much effort to put one drivetrain into just one variant. If theyre going to do it, the whole pickup and SUV range would get it i'd imagine.
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Not really, there are three plants that have been tasked with T6 production, and they could pick and choose which one based on its ability to accommodate the different package. It may be that only one of those three produces the SUV and the production line is tailored to suit it.
Production line complexity wouldn't be that bad as the engines will be crate engines that get fed into sequence on the production line as per the just-in-time mantra. Ford Australia do it now with I6, I6T, V8, now with the Territory's diesel and at the end of the year the Ecoboost for the Falcon so the ability is definitely there to be a bit flexible with powertrains.
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I think development would be the bigger hurdle. Currently theres only inline engines confirmed for T6 as a start, who knows what changes a V engine would bring. It also seems SUV development is every bit a sideshow to pickup development based on the priority given
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There's no doubt that the SUV is a spinoff of the original brief, but a hardly surprising spinoff given Derrick Kuzak's most recent comments to the press. Toyota should be worried about this car, and it's pickup cousins.
As for development for a V6 - I don't know. The vehicle is certainly larger than its predecessor which suggests that the acreage under the bonnet would be able to accommodate the D35, and being an all alloy motor it shouldn't upset the handling balance of the vehicle over say the 3.2 I5 diesel. Passing the requisite emissions regulations could be an issue though as it will be in a far heavier vehicle than the passenger cars it is fitted to however.
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But this is just fantasy talk... or is it? Money is the end the result, how much would it cost to ship the V6 from the Americas to APA... and which factories get it and assemble it? And where would they distribute it from there? And how would that cost. Whereas there is an engine here til 2015 at least, which could serve in the ranger.
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maybe you're thinking of the Huge Excursion that was built a few years back, that was a monster.... |
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As for the Excursion. Good riddance to that enormous monstrosity. And the E series van too hopefully
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but the Ecoboost also gives it way more power trhan the diesel does, swings and roundabouts... If you ever want to know obscure stuff, use this link as a start, they have good info on lots of vehicles. URL="http://autos.yahoo.com/ford/ XLT Trim for all 2011 models: Expedition 4x2 = 5515 lbs Expedition 4x4 = 5847 lbs F150 4x2 dual cab 157" wheelbase = 5378 lbs F150 4x4 dual cab 157" wheelbase = 5716 lbs Those are the common sized that a lot of those vehicles come in, there barely 100 lbs difference. |
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Maybe Burela looked at the cost of stopping I-6 part way through E8 product cycle
and found that the cost of doing a slight upgrade to Euro 4 more than outweighed doing anything radical at the moment, especially if the changes could be done later when he's not CEO anymore..... why do something today when you can avoid spending cash and do it much later on.... Falcon momentum 101: It costs more to change to things that seem like they save you money, it's just cheaper in the long run to stick to the plan and keep evolving... |
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Just easier to fit the V6 when you have a clean sheet to work from, so you're designing it to fit from the start and not taking what you already have and modifying it to work. Its like doing everything twice. |
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It makes you wonder why computer modelling isn't enough to satisfy crash testing these days. The first Space Shuttle, Columbia, carried two men into Space in 1981 with nothing more than computer modelling - no unmanned tests or anything. Not the smartest thing I've ever seen I'll be honest. But it worked. Back even further in the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo days of the 1960's the rockets had to fly at least twice unmanned before they put live humans on board.
But that Space Shuttle flight was 30 years ago. Surely the computer modelling is even better these days. My Quad Core Sandy Bridge i5 in combination with a GTX-460 would in total have to have more processing power than a shuttle Super Computer of the late 1970's. Maybe the 20mill is what it costs for that one guy with enough of a clue to program that model into the system and know how to run the tests..... Lukeyson
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All the computer modelling in the world is no substitute for real world testing. Cars are nowhere near as well designed and engineered as a Space Shuttle so everything is not going to be conclusive through computer simulations.
Oh and don't forget they did manned glide tests with the Shuttle Enterprise before the first Shuttle launch :P
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E-series van will probably remain a motorhome only chassis. I think they make good shuttle busses though, so it would be sad to see them go. Every hotel near an airport uses them, and they are comfortable to ride in. I think they could revise the Transit lineup later, and include the E-150, with a 4.4L diesel, but I doubt they will do it. I would have 3 Transit platforms. Connect, standard, and E-150. As for Expedition. I have honestly never been in a car with a smoother ride, than the Expedition EL. I drove it, and it was an absolute pleasure to drive. I have driven and been in a lot of cars too. |
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What is it that makes the I6 such a good engine? Or at least, why is it held in such high regard? When you look at the specs it seems ok but nothing super advanced or technical like say the EB in its various guises? And further, why is it not possible to build the V6 engine here should FoA decide to drop the I6?
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