Chinese Military Build Up - 60 minutes this Sunday - Page 2

Yellow_Festiva · 04-09-2010, 11:38 PM

I don't think the Chinese will 'invade' us by force per say. They are buying their way into the regions they want to gain benefit from. No point making their own customers want to boycott their goods!

From what I understand, China is trying to buy into many of our utilities etc. They also want a large slice of our natural assets. What better way to gain control of them then to buy out the companies that currently control them?

I think they are just sitting back, watching and waiting as the US fall on their own sword and when the time is right (well before 2050 IMO) they will make use of their vast financial backing for their own benefit.

There is no escaping the Chinese! 1 in 5 people on this planet is Chinese.

**SSD-85** · 04-09-2010, 11:41 PM

Well when push comes to shove, all we have to do is find out how many of those 1 billion-odd chinese inhabitants can be converted to radioactive vapour per missile. In this world, chinas massive army is obsolete. As a result, they wouldnt dare invade a western country. Theyd be dust before they stepped onto their boats. Conventional warfare is hardly a means to an end now as far as world domination goes.

All in all, I agree with the idea that this is simply something else for us to panic about and im not buying it. The media really does need to get a life, but fear and terror sells newspapers and bumps up ratings....

pottery beige · 04-09-2010, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

Unfortunately for them they cant drive or walk to invade Oz!

cheap Tiger flights......

BPXR6T · 04-09-2010, 11:46 PM

Is the release of "tomorrow when the war began" and this story a coincidence. I think not...

Interceptor · 04-09-2010, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

Unfortunately for them they cant drive or walk to invade Oz!

between COSCO and CSG, both state government owned shipping lines of which COSCO is one of the largest in the world, plus god alone knows how much support from state government shell companies, they wouldnt need to walk far!

rocketscientist · 04-09-2010, 11:53 PM

Until the PLA Navy develops a true Blue water navy, the US 7 th fleet will continue to dominate all parts of the Pacific.

For this reason China would struggle to get across the Taiwan strait, let alone the length of the Pacific

My poor XF · 04-09-2010, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BPXR6T

Is the release of "tomorrow when the war began" and this story a coincidence. I think not...

LOL not cynical at all.

Interceptor · 04-09-2010, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rocketscientist

Until the PLA Navy develops a true Blue water navy, the US 7 th fleet will continue to dominate all parts of the Pacific.

For this reason China would struggle to get across the Taiwan strait, let alone the length of the Pacific

but whoever looks at a container ship?

nstg8a · 04-09-2010, 11:58 PM

we better not **** them off, theyre building our arks in a couple of years...

rocketscientist · 05-09-2010, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Interceptor

but whoever looks at a container ship?

What about them, your not suggesting some kind of Trojan horse as a means of invasion surely?

Road_Warrior · 05-09-2010, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by My poor XF

Your 100% right but you need to consider economic dominance as well. I see China as the regions powerhouse and despite the US having the advantage in carrier groups and fighter squadrons i doubt they could afford sustained operations against the Chinese. The cost alone of maintaining their assets in the region would be astronomical.

Absolutely, economic dominance is just as important and just as powerful. However don't forget China's economy is dependent on manufacturing and selling consumer goods for countries like Australia, the US and Europe. If China hits the go button and starts a war and you can bet there will be all manner of trade embargos and sanctions against China. The only caveat to this is that China's rapidly growing middle class is taking up some of the growth of consumer goods made in China, thereby giving some protection to foreign economic problems. Partially.

The other thing to consider is, particularly when talking about the actual dollar cost of a war - the US has waged war pretty much constantly now for the past...what, 60 odd years? There was always a war going on somewhere, even during the peak of the Cold War, that the US had stuck its beak into. Can't resist a good war I'm told. It has become hardened to the economic costs of warfare, especially when you consider the overall financial cost of constant operations during the Cold War. Imagine the cost of that bastard, I shudder to think. The point is, the yanks could care less about the cost of a war. However they have demonstrated they are susceptible to political pressures over the human cost of warfare. Kinda one of the reasons Mr Obama now runs the show.

As has already been mentioned now, China is investing heavily in this country. They may take drastic action to protect their investments down the track if something happens. This I can see being an issue for the future.

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the yanks have so many problems of thier own they wouldnt be able to fight thier way out of a bar brawl

and tell me..... in the last century, how many conflicts have the US armed forces engaged in successfully?

Several hundred, there is no such thing as 'winning' a war in this day and age, because there are no winners and there are now more factors brought to bear than just force of arms. Political and economic forces have won the US more wars (or averted them) than they have actually been involved in. Don't forget this is a country that possesses enough firepower to make every city on the globe glow in the dark for 1000 years, I wouldnt write them off at all, any time.

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between COSCO and CSG, both state government owned shipping lines of which COSCO is one of the largest in the world, plus god alone knows how much support from state government shell companies, they wouldnt need to walk far!

You're assuming of course that this huge fleet of ships will simply be able to rock up unannounced, undetected and rape and pillage at will. If US spy sattelites dont see the force buildup in China, attack submarines patrolling shipping lanes in SE Asia don't come across them, the Jindalee Over The Horizon Radar doesnt pick them up, CoastWatch and RAN fleet units dont see them, and RAAF fighter squadrons cant find them, then sure, it can happen I guess.

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but whoever looks at a container ship?

During times of international crisis and raised tensions, lots of people do. People on grey painted ships, with guns. Ask one of our resident Pussers what they spent the Gulf War and OIF doing and they will probably tell you they were raiding and searching merchant vessels.

**Polyal** · 05-09-2010, 12:12 AM

what a freakin joke.

Maybe naive to say this but I cannot see a country such as Australia being "invaded". The international community simply would not allow it. Now you can say "what about iraq etc", and good point but thats completely different situation (not justifying it though).

That new movie out is nothing but C grade rubbish with left over Neighbours actors, and 60 minutes has been on a downward spiral for the last 5 years atleast. Channel 9 should be ashamed of themselves for putting panic into the bogans who know no better.

Seriously, I feel embarrassed for it even getting to air. If this gets any legs at all past the 10 minutes its on CH9 then it shows how stupid our society has become.

At the end of the day that show hired Latham to report on Labours campaign...nuff said.

My poor XF · 05-09-2010, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Interceptor

but whoever looks at a container ship?

A fleet of container ships all leaving china at the same time heading for the same place wouldn't look even slightly suspect.

Spanrz · 05-09-2010, 12:16 AM

When they come here, have a pie with sauce and a can of beer ready and waiting for them. They'll be confused.
Then just to top things off, get them to buy these brand new "Great Wall" cars to help chauffer themselves around in.
Just speil on about how rugged they are for Aussie conditions. Tell em to drive inland about 15-20 hours, across the dunes for their meeting point.
Only to find out, there is no meeting point and their stuck out in the desert with a crappy car.... Who needs enemies when you have friends like us

Redrum · 05-09-2010, 12:17 AM

The Chinese have no need to invade Australia. Why would they need to take over with force what they own most of anyhow.

Scott · 05-09-2010, 12:27 AM

There is no point invading Australia for minerals IMO - getting control of our resources is one thing, getting it to anywhere is another.

Fled74 · 05-09-2010, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

we better not **** them off, theyre building our arks in a couple of years...

LOL. Been watching "2012" eh?

bungarra · 05-09-2010, 02:40 AM

At the end of the Cold War, it came out, the Russians had contingency plans for invading Australia to cause the US and Uk to negotiate territorial and mineral claims in areas where the old eastern/western blocks met if there was an issue.
1 was for the "Moscow Circus" to be planned to arrive on its usual 3 ships of equipment to do a national tour, but the plan had the 3 ships loaded with Special Forces troops and Equipment to hit Darwin.
The 2nd part was to have a fishing trawler come from Antartic Watrs and A container ship arrive at the same time supposedly from Vietnam that would have SF troops on board. The whole crux of the plan wasn't full on invasion, but to captyre vital infrastructure and military assets to make the US and UK go into panic and negotiation mode. The Russinas were smart enough to pick the best dys of assault, they picked Christmas Day, a time when minimal troops are on bases or on ships, the other was AFL Grand Final day as they believed most Aussies would be busy and not really paying attention.

Given the number of civilian flights out of Indonesia to Australia, wouldn't be hard to get Kopassus SF troops into any major airport, could even hide a herc along side the civilian aircraft to add extra troops, 600 armed SF troops into Darwin, Perth and Melbourne would cause total chaos and before anyone bags the Indo SF troops, they are trained by the Aussie SAS and US SF teams. If you hit Darwin hard and fast enough, you would be able to grab the RAAF assets there as well.

Theoreticlly, China is said to have similar plans as the Russians had, and how many could they sneak in as business men in the weeks leading up to an assault. You don't have to control the country, just the parts worth negotiating over.

Falc'man · 05-09-2010, 04:20 AM

What the? Didn't we just have a Chinese prime minister? FFS, Julia, see what you've done!?

Sixty minutes' promos are designed to grab your attention; you go to watch them and find a completely different version of the story. And to top it off it's full of sound bites and horse feces anyway...

Iggypoppin' · 05-09-2010, 04:45 AM

Falc'man and redrum: agree. Totally. Nuff said really!

ILLaViTaR · 05-09-2010, 04:47 AM

Omg it's it's on 60 minutes!!!! Let's believe everything they say!

landau460 · 05-09-2010, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

bring on the invasion all you scare mongers.... i'll be waiting on my couch ready to chuck empty beer tins and soggy KFC boxes at them......

lmao ditto all i got as well

landau460 · 05-09-2010, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

What the? Didn't we just have a Chinese prime minister? FFS, Julia, see what you've done!?

Sixty minutes' promos are designed to grab your attention; you go to watch them and find a completely different version of the story. And to top it off it's full of sound bites and horse feces anyway...

Check out msn web site is the same attention grabbing crap. For so long they had such a good rep now with the all the other gutter journalism they're finally joining them!

**DJM83** · 05-09-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Interceptor

but whoever looks at a container ship?

cant be serious surely.

I used to watch 60 minutes........

GTPete · 05-09-2010, 09:02 AM

Putting invasion talk aside, any thoughts on why China is building up its military particularly their Navy to such a large extent?

TURBOTAXI · 05-09-2010, 09:04 AM

Our wide open spaces are also a protective factor - the logistics of supplying an advancing army over such distances are problematic at best.

I don't think we have anything to worry about - unless there was some sort of major catastrophe (meteor strike etc....) that diverted others interests to self protection I don't think the international community would allow it to happen.

Scott · 05-09-2010, 10:03 AM

Should we be invaded, would anyone like to speculate on what an invading country would do if they successfully took control of our borders and resources?

flappist · 05-09-2010, 10:24 AM

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Should we be invaded, would anyone like to speculate on what an invading country would do if they successfully took control of our borders and resources?

They would implement a regime where the ordinary people have no rights, have to work under unfair laws implemented by faceless beurocrats and have all the fruits of their toil stolen and wasted on politically favoured white elpehants and minority groups.

The media will constantly sprout carefully crafted propaganda in the form of soap operas and "current affair" shows featuring "pretty people" and self proclaimed experts so as to convince the stupid people that this good for them and that any change will bring about hellfire and damnation.

Anyone who disagrees with this will be attacked from all directions and jailed, discredited, bankrupted and eventually burned at the stake as a heretic.

So basically nothing will change.........

**DJM83** · 05-09-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

They would implement a regime where the ordinary people have no rights, have to work under unfair laws implemented by faceless beurocrats and have all the fruits of their toil stolen and wasted on politically favoured white elpehants and minority groups.

The media will constantly sprout carefully crafted propaganda in the form of soap operas and "current affair" shows featuring "pretty people" and self proclaimed experts so as to convince the stupid people that this good for them and that any change will bring about hellfire and damnation.

Anyone who disagrees with this will be attacked from all directions and jailed, discredited, bankrupted and eventually burned at the stake as a heretic.

So basically nothing will change.........

Incorrect Tony, in this country you can do how ever you please and remain on the street and out of jail

**Polyal** · 05-09-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by landau460

Check out msn web site is the same attention grabbing crap. For so long they had such a good rep now with the all the other gutter journalism they're finally joining them!

Yeah my 5 years ago statement was being nice, maybe 10 years ago it had some cred.