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27-05-2013, 07:49 PM | #31 | |||
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a) Your comments about engineers knowing nothing about hands on are a sweeping generalization if ever there was one. I've got my welding tickets & can run a lathe enough to get myself out of trouble but hey those couple of letters after my name must really destroy those skills. I can sympathise with your comments RE most grads coming out & knowing nothing despite what you tell them but I've come across just as many tradies who are equally useless after 4 years on the job.. b) If you're going to get a degree I wouldn't recommend Mech Eng. As one myself I can safely say there is bugger all work around unless you want to design air con. There's a market at the moment for materials handling work in the mines but I expect that will die in time, there's not much as far as design for the manufacturing industry goes for the same reasons that the hands on jobs are disappearing. My goal was always motorsport/manufacturing and the best I've achieved is part time with the rest of my time spent designing transmission lines. Go for Civil for the most jobs, most flexibility and arguably the best pay. Yes you'll be doing something a bit different to what you're doing now but beats being stuck at a desk trying to design a system for getting farts out of toilet blocks..
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Flappist, I'm a just about to be second year sparky, I want to start my own electrical contracting business, is it as fun and enjoying as people say?
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What sort of work do you do, when I do get my self up and running, I would be looking into doing big project work.
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27-05-2013, 08:33 PM | #35 | ||
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Oh man.....
I have lost count of the people who think they are worth their weight in gold for a school based on the fact they have a tally wacker between their legs..... All jobs have their pros and cons. How good you go is almost totally dependant on you as a whole person not just while on the job. I would NEVER EVER say I'm better than someone else due to the job I do. My dad left school in year 7, can hardly read and write but is happily retired and always has a smile on his face. Worked hard, raised a family, got a few knocks in life (like we all do) and just got on with the job... no bloody excuses, no 'What if's' etc etc etc. You teach because it's what you have a passion for doing. Forget about holidays, perks, hours. If you think we have it easy I assure you we don't. People who are in the job for their benefit alone will not last. My younger brother is a sparky. In fact, he has his own electrical contracting business. What Flappist said is spot on, for both the work chalkies do, and what you as a person can get out of being an electrical contractor. We (myself, brother and sister) have done very well due to the fact we saw our parents (un-educated, working class migrants) bust their behinds to do their best with the situation they have... Times change, ideals change but the fundamentals of survival remain the same.... I very much feel sorry for the Ford workers. And I very much know how they feel... was there several years ago myself. I pulled out of it, worked extra hard to compensate for my losses and moved along with life.
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Actually, you might be surprised to know that more than 50% of the fitters/sparkies at Holden achieved on average approx. 6 yrs of post trade schooling and walked out with a trade in their chosen fields, gained an average of 15yrs trade experience and also held a minimum of an advanced cert. in engineering or an ***. Diploma, not to mention all the other certificates/licenses to go with it eg. first aid, heights, fire, confined space etc etc etc. Including time spent in your apprenticeship, this equates to an average of 10yrs schooling within a single profession. And yes, alot of the times those brainiacs were shown who's boss. So in relation to some other posts, its pretty obvious we were worth the money. With Fords trade agreement having many common tiers with GMs, (post trade education) im assuming that many of their maintenance workers have also shown those brainiacs who's boss many a time.
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If i was one of those 1200 affected, yeah i`d be peed off and concerned, but i`d also think i was kind of lucky being given '3 years notice' as appose to some people in the past that weren`t even give 3 days!
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I must reiterate , I have never said a teachers job is easy . . . I only listed some perks that are attractive for my situation , mostly the male to female % ratio of teachers when hiring. . .
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I wouldn't say grads no nothing , they are just green and believe what they learnt at uni is the only way to achieve the result where a tradesman could of been doing the job for 25+ years he might have a few tricks up his sleeves that a professor doesn't know . . . An no argument from me with useless Tradies after their 4 years are up . . . Personally I ain't to fussed about my Job as Im still young and not tired down , I feel sorry for the guys I work with that have a young family and a decent mortgage to pay . . . Geelong will be a ghost town for jobs IMO . . . With me , like I said I would love to try something totally different to my current field and nothing is set in concrete but I have looked into Primary Teaching the hardest and to be honest sounds like one I would enjoy as well as challenging myself . . . If worst comes to worst for me , I would just join the defence force as I know they scream for trades but I ain't "Pro ADF" and it would be hard to enjoy it as my views differ from theirs . . . Though at the end of the day , as long as you can trust the people your with I can leave the personal opinions/views at the door . |
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The good ones will jump early as they will be quick to snap up any good jobs in other industries.
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What is with the misconception auto workers are mindless numbskulls. I have completed my VCE, I have completed my Rigging tickets and the complicated maths that comes with it these days. I am on a modest $26 an hour, not 50, not 70 or some other unworldly figure someone pulls from their backend. I took a job at Ford because I had a passion for it, if I knew I was going to be stereotyped for it 10 years later I would have ran for the hills. Reading that article makes me feel like I have a mental handicap. I cannot believe in this day and age a footballer is described as an animal and there is outrage, but you can describe a whole sector of the australian workforce as half wits and it is business as usual. Unbelievable.............
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Remember Ford has a business to run. When Holden closed 3/4 of its operations in 09, the ones to move on first were the dead wood say to speak. They tried to keep their 'value added workers' till the end.
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27-05-2013, 09:53 PM | #42 | |||
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Also depends on your years of service , if you only been there a short time you would take the lost on the chin to gain a job with similar pay. But if you have been employed for 25 years and your 43years of age with a young family it would be harder to throw that away to gain a better job |
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27-05-2013, 09:57 PM | #43 | |||
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Our auto elecs are on that much and they do 2/10 F all. |
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27-05-2013, 10:02 PM | #44 | |||
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I most likely would be, the only benefit I receive is that by being knowledgeable with my job has allowed me to rise to better positions within the factory.
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One of my good mates is a senior tech with the local BMW dealer. He is on $24 an hour so I consider myself lucky.........
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The mechanics at the Honda dealership I used to work with were on between $17.50-$20 an hour, $25/h was only likely as the workshop manager. The only problem with more money is much more responsibility. |
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27-05-2013, 10:08 PM | #47 | ||
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In reality alot of wages outside of 'big industry' is now being driven down due to competition of 'skilled foreign workers' (who majority of) will never cut the muscle.
In the meantime cost of living goes up and the politicians grant themselves a pay increase - now thats one job id like to see a 457 import occupy.
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27-05-2013, 10:12 PM | #48 | |||
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Illiterate means "Unable to read or write" Functionally illiterate must mean you cannot read or write very well, but you can get by. They are saying that almost 1 in 2 people are functionally illiterate. I want to know if there is some sort of line you have to cross from becoming functionally illiterate to literate. Out of all the people I know I would only consider 1 of them to be "functionally illiterate" due to English being their second language. I don't think I know any adults that I would consider to be illiterate. Do you just need a university degree or something like that to cross from being functionally illiterate to literate? |
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but then there is the functionally illiterate , such as those who study 'Arts' for the remainder of their life and do part time work in a 2nd hand clothing store but dont comprehend the term 'full time job'.
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I think society puts too much emphasis on your value as a person being based on what you do for a living. So if you do menial tasks you're a failure, but if your an engineer with a 6 figure salary you're a success. Thankfully that is not the case in reality. I'm sure there are many highly educated failures out there. Your value as a fellow human being is not based on what pay packet you get.
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28-05-2013, 01:10 PM | #52 | |||
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teachers spend around 1/2 their holiday time working, whether that's at school or at home. most stay in the profession because they care about kids and want the best education for them, they don't do it for the mostly poor pay they receive. Think about it, a decent education is the most important thing, bar none. Education leads to better health, less crime etc etc |
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Does anyone in Australia consider themselves overpaid?
With what I've seen and read by both the Liberal party and the majority of Australian unions, I don't believe either of them have any idea of how to genuinely keep manufacturing viable in Australia.
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28-05-2013, 04:41 PM | #55 | |||
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2) Tell the auto industry to make gas car's and keep improving them 3) Announce Australia wide that you are fixing the gas prices at 30cents a litre for the next 10 years and will revue it when the time is up for another 10 years 4) Announce Australia wide that if you buy a gas car you get a rebate Not only will Australia make more money per a litre on gas. Families could saving $5000 + a year on fuel . . . An that would make anyone jump from petrol to gas . . . Families can then put the savings into other areas of cost of living which would reduce companies giving out % pay rises each year too |
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28-05-2013, 05:01 PM | #56 | |||
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I have completed VCE and a year of mechanical engineering at TAFE. I don't know why they assume auto workers are illiterate, I don't know any who are. Maybe a few of the real old immigrants who struggle with english may have a few issues but there aren't many of them left these days. Its probably these older immigrants that aren't quite at retirement age yet that will be hit the hardest though, or anyone over 50 who will really struggle to find work. I'm lucky i'm only 32. |
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The point you seem to be missing is the higher the hurdle the fewer the people who can clear it and therefore the fewer who earn the bigger bucks. Example:just about everyone can drive - how many people can win a Formula 1 Championship? |
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Remember the core difference here - a school teacher provides a service whilst a manufacturer makes items to sell for profit, who's workers most certainly be entitled to a relative share of the profit pie. Now im not even implying the worth of 1 vs the other, but comparing teachers vs manufacturers is ludicrous. Quote:
Finally No, ongoing education / up skilling is nothing new nor unique, but neither is an engineer who 'often' looks down upon a tradesman and tries to discredit /dismiss real world knowledge/experience with a theory purely coz they hold degree '.
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The free GOAUTO emag has got a lot of automotive trade ads for employment positions FWIW.
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If a doctor is clumsy at sticking on band-aids does he know more or less than the first aid lady at school who is very good at sticking on band-aids? |
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