Bye Bye Escape

[prydey]

Originally Posted by simon varley

Ranger/Everest/Mustang are where the profit is and where the volume is. Why would they continue to import cars with a tiny or negative margin, or miniscule volumes?

Other manufacturers do, so there must be more to it than just local sales.

We have a 2021 escape and it's a great car. Obviously 200/month isn't a lot but how much does it really cost them to put them on the boat?

We won't have to worry about what to replace it with for a while but it will likely kill the resale value.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by simon varley

Ranger/Everest/Mustang are where the profit is and where the volume is. Why would they continue to import cars with a tiny or negative margin, or miniscule volumes?

Throw in F150, Explorer, Aviator, Expedition for Oz and get more margin

[FTE217]

volume ? and Toy/Hyundai/Mazda/KIA and the euros having small car options are utter foolish I guess and going broke.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by FTE217

volume ? and Toy/Hyundai/Mazda/KIA and the euros having small car options are utter foolish I guess and going broke.

Well FoE have had some of the highest selling small cars for decades. And over the last decade they continually lost money most years, with the occasional small profit or break even.

It's pretty telling that the Puma makes up half of their profits.

The margins are too small in small city cars to even worry about. Ford are just taking the easy route to more profitable SUV's, which cost no more to make, but they can charge more for them.

Like it or lump it, that's the reality. But a lot of the other manufacturers are starting to follow suit, with Hyundai about to axe the i30, Kia axing the Rio, and Toyota having to jack the price of a Yaris or Corolla to ridiculous levels (32k for a base Corolla ffs) just to try to make a profit on it. Small cars are a woftam now.

And just wait till the entry point for mainstream EV small cars is 50k, excluding the garbage chinese ones you wouldn't **** on.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Haven't been able to get Escape in reasonable supply for the last 18 months +.

Good cars let down by basically zero supply (few hundred a month at best).

Doesn't seem to bother Ford or dealers though. You can wait up to 2 months at some dealers for a service now (all since Ford brought in the capped price cheap services and 5 year warranties everyone is now using dealers over independents, cheaper plus you get peace of mind plus a free loan car).

[kevino]

Not quite a free loan car
Booked my Puma in for a July service as I expected them to be a busy
Asked for loan car
Some $17 fee
And a $2500 excess

[prydey]

Originally Posted by kevino

Not quite a free loan car
Booked my Puma in for a July service as I expected them to be a busy
Asked for loan car
Some $17 fee
And a $2500 excess

Ours goes in for second service tomorrow. Loan car is free. Excess is $1000 or you can pay $30 and waive the excess. We don't pay.

[kevino]

Escape is a fairly thirsty machine on urban work
The rep I dealt with to buy Puma told me the Escapes did a true 15 l per 100 km round town helped no doubt by lead feet being a company car

[kevino]

Originally Posted by prydey

Ours goes in for second service tomorrow. Loan car is free. Excess is $1000 or you can pay $30 and waive the excess. We don't pay.

Thanks for that I will double check
Maybe different dealers have different systems

[prydey]

Originally Posted by kevino

Thanks for that I will double check
Maybe different dealers have different systems

Possibly. My folks in Brisbane have $2500 excess with loan car from Hyundai.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by kevino

Escape is a fairly thirsty machine on urban work
The rep I dealt with to buy Puma told me the Escapes did a true 15 l per 100 km round town helped no doubt by lead feet being a company car

Ours is sitting on 9.8l/100km. Fairly low ave speed too as it just does school and shops. Wife drives it mostly.

I can see how you could get it higher but you'd have to be always driving like an idiot.

[kevino]

Car dealer people could fit that description

[five 7]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

We have a term for this here on AFF...... ends in 'Specials' and features a prominent automotive manufacturing country on our doorstep

NZ has come out with some extra taxes on the diesel Thailand Specials, I wonder if that is going to force the manufacturers into looking into alternative options like hybrids to satisfy this market, or because its small they don't care.

Australia could follow as well, but again we're a small market.

Yeah a nice little 7k tax, ef you labour/greens for that little stunt, not just Thai specials, but pretty much everything, that doesn't have a E in its name.
Ford is pretty much dead to me now, can't see anything I would fork out money for new, I'll stick to what I have for now, and keep on the hunt for a low k 335 Falcoon. Worst car decision I've ever made letting go of my old one, so miss the whine and the shove in the back at 80kms.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by prydey

Ours is sitting on 9.8l/100km. Fairly low ave speed too as it just does school and shops. Wife drives it mostly.

I can see how you could get it higher but you'd have to be always driving like an idiot.

If you like the torque, 2.0 Ecoboost's are not all that more efficient than the larger 6 cylinder engines they replaced.

The 2.0 Ecoboost Mondeo Titanium around town was not much better than the 4-speed auto BA Futura it replaced.

The 2.0 Ecoboost Jaguar is the same.

I like the mid range torque these engines produce, so that explains the higher fuel use.

The flipside to that is hwy economy, those little 2.0's are brilliant sitting in top gear below the boost point.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by simon varley

Ranger/Everest/Mustang are where the profit is and where the volume is. Why would they continue to import cars with a tiny or negative margin, or miniscule volumes?

To have a more diverse buyer demographic, bring in shoppers who might not otherwise consider a Ford, in case the ute market eventually declines they have a fall back...to have a range that doesn't mean your eggs fill only 3 slots in that one dozen egg crate.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by prydey

Ours goes in for second service tomorrow. Loan car is free. Excess is $1000 or you can pay $30 and waive the excess. We don't pay.

I have to support this, never paid a cent for any loan car from my local Ford dealer and just sign the release after they photocopy my drivers licence accepting an excess should I prang it...

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by prydey

Ours is sitting on 9.8l/100km. Fairly low ave speed too as it just does school and shops. Wife drives it mostly.

I can see how you could get it higher but you'd have to be always driving like an idiot.

Mine sits on 9.2-9.3 and has since I bought it… 90% around town too.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Mine sits on 9.2-9.3 and has since I bought it… 90% around town too.

That's pretty decent. I checked the ave speed on ours and it's 33kmh, so not as low as I thought. Still pretty good though I reckon.

[Swordie]

I'm thinking Mustang March-E will pick up a few sales provided Ford can meet demand.

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

What trucks ??

Ford Trucks died out about 20 years before the local stuff did.

These days all you get are full size SUVs - and the associated profit margin. Go ahead, take your pick between open-boot or closed-boot.

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by five 7

Yeah a nice little 7k tax, ef you labour/greens for that little stunt, not just Thai specials, but pretty much everything, that doesn't have a E in its name.
Ford is pretty much dead to me now, can't see anything I would fork out money for new, I'll stick to what I have for now, and keep on the hunt for a low k 335 Falcoon. Worst car decision I've ever made letting go of my old one, so miss the whine and the shove in the back at 80kms.

So Lolbor are as nuts over there as they are here then 😭

[NX74205]

What a pity. Ford makes some very good cars, it's just that whoever is running the company isn't doing a very good job of it.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by prydey

Ours goes in for second service tomorrow. Loan car is free. Excess is $1000 or you can pay $30 and waive the excess. We don't pay.

Just updating this. Dropped our Escape off today and the dealer has changed insurance companies. It's now $2000 excess and $40 waiver.

We still chose to take our chances.

[kevino]

So it looks like each dealer has separate insurance arrangements.
Which state or city are you in

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Advantage with my dealer using old AU/BA/odd FGs as loan cars is that I never have to sign anything, nor have copies of my licence taken. Hence I assume there is no insurance applicable to me and they'll just cover the cost.

Mind you, I once had a demo Puma as a loan car and never signed or provided anything then, either.

It's not often that using an old banger as a loan car works in your favour

[prydey]

Originally Posted by kevino

So it looks like each dealer has separate insurance arrangements.
Which state or city are you in

Adelaide

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Advantage with my dealer using old AU/BA/odd FGs as loan cars is that I never have to sign anything, nor have copies of my licence taken. Hence I assume there is no insurance applicable to me and they'll just cover the cost.

Mind you, I once had a demo Puma as a loan car and never signed or provided anything then, either.

It's not often that using an old banger as a loan car works in your favour

That would be quite cool. I expect the AU's are starting to go classic, would be a bit of a trip as a hire car when at the service

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

To have a more diverse buyer demographic, bring in shoppers who might not otherwise consider a Ford, in case the ute market eventually declines they have a fall back...to have a range that doesn't mean your eggs fill only 3 slots in that one dozen egg crate.

If you want some of that diversity Ford, produce a RWD wagon with the Barra again... I hear the AU's are now the fashion item for young Aussies on yt...

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by kevino

Escape is a fairly thirsty machine on urban work
The rep I dealt with to buy Puma told me the Escapes did a true 15 l per 100 km round town helped no doubt by lead feet being a company car

Bull****... They do around 9.5 around town (my ex has one).

[Charliewool]

Mine for last 6000 odd kms



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[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Mine for last 6000 odd kms
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What's the average speed, CW? That will put that consumption into perspective.