What is better a bf falcon xr6 or a ve commodore sv6?

[falconlover]

i'm gunna get a toxic bf xr6 with the 6 speed auto its gunna be mad

[Disco1986]

I think the commom would be the better car by far, but my pick would be the Xr6.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by falconlover

i'm gunna get a toxic bf xr6 with the 6 speed auto its gunna be mad

I think you just said that a few lines up??

:monkes:

The VE is definately a nicer looking car, im sold!

[MoreHPformyXR6]

Originally Posted by Tropicsnude XR6

What a bloody stupid place to ask such a question
However... During my research process for a new car recently I test drove a few cars, including SV6, 380 VRX as well as a Lexus and BMW.
No doubt the Lexus & BM felt a little more luxurious, and were definitely quieter than any Oz vehicle I drove, but to justify the extra 40K plus was totally impossible ! A little less tyre noise, and a few more buttons to get confused by aint worth 40K plus in my book !
The BF certainly compared though to them in "feelable" power and handling, not to mention the loads of extra space.
See..... I'm not a die hard Ford fan.... but I'm certainly sold on the BF, along with **** loads of those sensible souls buying them.
Sure, I've spent some $$$ on mods since buying, but the basic vehicle is already world class, and with a few goodies added becomes a world beater !
BTW.... 190 kw is a distant memory for me, with well over 200 kw being generated (170 plus rwkw), and still a little further tuning to be sorted.
In my mind there is simply nothing else out there at present that can compare in the same class, without spending **** loads more for very little gain.
Although my next will definitely be a MK 11 BF XR6T..... Must have the "Ford" bug after all :Reverend:
Cheers
Tony

How Tony

Nice ride. Can I ask what the 380 VRX was like to drive havent had the oppurtunity to drive a 380 as yet. I like the mods youve done in your sig. Do you go the ZF 6 Speed? I was not a die Hard Ford fan b4 I bought my car if anything I was quite a big Holden fan. But my Ford has done everything right so far to make me a fan. But like you im all for doing your homework driving a few different manufactures car 's & going for the won that you like & represent bang for your buck.

Cheers

Scott

Cheers

Scott

[MoreHPformyXR6]

Originally Posted by falconlover

i'm thinking of buying an ford falcon xr6 bf in toxic

Fantz's

Old (as new) BF XR6 ZF 6 spd Toxic 4500km is on CarSales.com

[Smoked]

The feel of driving the XR6 just bsolutely craps all over the SV6. The Alloytec felt like a rampart child after 4500rpm. The XR felt smooth all the way to the limiter.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Smoked

The feel of driving the XR6 just bsolutely craps all over the SV6. The Alloytec felt like a rampart child after 4500rpm. The XR felt smooth all the way to the limiter.

At the end of the day smoothness wont cut the crust.

0 - 100 / Quarter mile times will be the decider on whos the winner, I cant see the SV6 beating the XR6, but the XR6 looks so tired now, specially on the side, the flat body certainly needs a freshen up. :

[SSBUB]

had you said BF or BA for that matter vs VZ SV6 then the xr6 all the way. Since its the VE, a newer model, better resale value, more rare at this time, im a fan of the interior as well as the exterior design, etc etc then VE. But i voted Ford coz i didnt read it right and thought you meant VZ sv6. Oh well.

[Bossxr8]

Any Ford 6 is better than an equivelent Holden 6, the Alloytec doesn't cut the mustard. The opposite applies for V8's. The BF XR6 was already faster than the VZ SV6 so add another 100kgs for VE with only an extra 5 kw and it will be even more of a slug.

[stevz]

Originally Posted by Smoked

The feel of driving the XR6 just bsolutely craps all over the SV6. The Alloytec felt like a rampart child after 4500rpm. The XR felt smooth all the way to the limiter.

I assume you're talking about VZ here, VE has been significantly improved in these areas.

Originally Posted by falconlover

i'm gunna get a toxic bf xr6 with the 6 speed auto its gunna be mad

Maybe in a few years time when you get your licence. I dunno if it's just me, but the quality of your posts suggest to me that you're about 12.

[AussieJason]

I prefer the XR (well I own one so I guess i should), but only just.

I saw a VE the other day, and they are better looking than I initially thought. That BF photo is a poor comparison, I would have never bought one based on that pic. Someone post a better one please, I would but I don't know how!

[99FalconS]

I prefer the Ford but the Xr6 is now as common as dog S*#t now and looking a bit dated compared to the Holden. But like the Ford is still a good car in and would still be my choice.

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Any Ford 6 is better than an equivelent Holden 6, the Alloytec doesn't cut the mustard. The opposite applies for V8's. The BF XR6 was already faster than the VZ SV6 so add another 100kgs for VE with only an extra 5 kw and it will be even more of a slug.

Agree. Option the NA XR6 with a 6 Auto and you would have no problems beating the now just as heavy SV6.

[Pouki]

go the XR6 i think the VE is just a copy of all sorts of other cars no oringinallity about it but thats my opinion thats why i think i would rather a BF XR6 :thebirds:

[FPVWEPN]

xr6 if your comparing it to the vz
but the bf is really starting to look dated and the sv6 looks much fresher and more aggressive

[Ford_To_Holden]

Originally Posted by Smoked

The feel of driving the XR6 just bsolutely craps all over the SV6. The Alloytec felt like a rampart child after 4500rpm. The XR felt smooth all the way to the limiter.

I drive a 05 SV6 with minor mods. What you say is a big exaggeration.
I drive a minimum of 25,000 k a year and i can't knock the car at all it's been a great car at a time when i was really struggling to find one i liked.

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Any Ford 6 is better than an equivelent Holden 6, the Alloytec doesn't cut the mustard. The opposite applies for V8's. The BF XR6 was already faster than the VZ SV6 so add another 100kgs for VE with only an extra 5 kw and it will be even more of a slug.

It cuts the mustard my son it does it very easy and without fault.
Now if i listen to what people had said about the car i would never have bought one. Best thing to do is trust your own judgement and that's what i did and I'm very happy with my purchase.


I haven't tested drove a VE. Might be some time before i consider looking into a new car. But a choice the ve sv6 as for the same reason i didn't look at a au.

[EA2BA]

I hate the big front guard flares of the VE so regardless of what is compared to I will take the BF, but this should be a BFII vs VE styling, not just a BF.

[Scruba]

I have had an up close look at the SV6 but still to drive it.
I personally dont like the interior of the SV6 although the BF could do with a revamp after being 4 years old now.

Overall looks the jury is still out on the VE. I have seen a couple of Omegas getting around but still not sold on the rear end. The flared guards are impressive.

[XplosiveR6]

I dont think the BF really looks that dated compare to the VE, back in 1997 the EL looked like an XD compared to the VT, but this time the BA/F have done well to keep looking fairly modern, and considering the VE although does look nice, is defenately not anything revolutionary to make the BF look that dated anyway.

i would have to drive the VE because if the motor is still a bucket of poo, give me the XR6

[drcook]

the ve for me.

that side profile of the falc is just getting too dated now.

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by drcook

the ve for me.

that side profile of the falc is just getting too dated now.

I think you are probably on the money for the basic versions. The XRs and the FPVs seem to fare better in this regard and have an arguemet over the VEs sport versions front to rear.

The VE should be the better car but it will be interesting to read and see how it translates to the real world. Of the respective line up this is Fords strongest option. It still looks nice and has some engineering advantages

[MintEAFalcon]

Had a drive of a VE SV6 last night. It is a pretty damn nice car I must say. It felt tight and the engine was a hulluva lot smoother (even with only 745ks on the clock) than any previous Holden I had driven. It also exhibits the same 'BMW' whine above 3000rpm the I6 Falcon motor has. The 5-speed auto with 'SSS' (what are they calling it?) was quite responsive between gears and silky smooth. Is this a Commodore?

I couldnt find a lot of fault, other than perhaps the red guage backlighting and the center console mounted window controls. The level of customisation for things such as lighting were impressive, as was the computer mouse style scroll and click wheels on the steering wheel. The Blaupunkt audio still seems to lack frequency range IMO, sounding somewhat muffled.

Overall, I was thoroughly impressed. It might just be impressive enough to convince me to trade up from the trusty old EA :-)

Oh and the cool flick keys are not available on the povo packs. You have to go the SSV or Calais before you get one of those!

Cheers,
Mark.

[Stoney!]

Originally Posted by falconlover

MoreHPformyXR6 the sv6 commo is 195kw compared to fords 190kw but ford has 383nm of torque which beats holdens 340nm.

On that theory, when Holden finally brings out this 3.0 turbo diesel V6 with 185(or optional)220kw from 4400rpm and 500nm from 1800rpm, the commodore should absolutley kick **** (even the low output version), but then the attitude tawards turbo diesels on this baord seems to be a very obvious hate, even though diesels work on the same logic that you just used to state the falcon is till quicker.... which mind you I totally agree with.

I am really unsure so I won't vote yet, till I see more of them getting around, and obviousley when I get a drive of both.

Stoney!

[XRchic]

MY XR6 (BA) does have 170rwkw - thats probably about 215 fwkw, roughly. It flogs current SV6s, and a lot of that difference is the Nm disparity between the two. The Commodors have enough power, but its high up in the rev range and its a bit low on Nm for my liking... what are the current Nm figures for the VE I wonder?

I like the look of the BF, but I have to say that the VE doesnt look too bad at all. Im quite impressed with it, and I think it will be a good car. I would have that over something like a 380 or a Camry any day. I saw a VE SS in red the other day and it looked very nice.

A mate of mine who is a Holden man, and ownes a black VZ Monaro (very sexy IMO) is off to test drive some kind of V8 VE Commy this week. He is very particular about driveability issues and looks, so he examines the entire package. He just drove a 2001 Mustang in California last week, and thought it was a bucket of poo to drive (although fun) but he loves driving the Territory! Anyway, I will let you know what he thinks.

I will be curious to see the VE HSV range - as I have never liked previous HSV styling. My Holden friend doesnt like HSV styling either, and would have bought the Clubbie R8 had it not been for what it looked like.

[ThoR_]

screw the VE. Nice aero dynamic design on it. NOT. It`s a sherman tank. Its basiclly plastic i cant wait to see one crashed because i rekon they will explode

[Abacus]

Originally Posted by Stoney!

the attitude tawards turbo diesels on this baord seems to be a very obvious hateStoney!

This surprises me. I've seen a few threads where oilers have received quite a bit of praise.

[macca_779]

BF for me but only because the 6 is a better donk. If you want to compare an SS(V) to an XR8 or even a T, my decision goes to the Holden for having the far superior performing V8. Everything else about the two cars is pretty much on par IMHO

[superpursuit83]

If you read the Australian Muscle Car mag, you will definately go for a BF6.

This months AMC magazine has a very unbiased report on the VE. As macca 779 says, the ve6 is a piece of rubbish and they have not improved anything with the package The Torque is lower than BF and higher up the rev range. The BF still has the inline 6 because its a nice strong motor. Also I dont think you can get the same level of comfort as the BF until you get to a Calai level in the VE.

But I must admit if you were choosing the SSV 8 then the new VE is looking to be a nice setup, 50/50 weight distribution with a V8 and a nice 6 speed. I will never buy a holden but I think Ford have a little work to do to the nose heavy V8's.

Grab the magazine, its a interesting read. Mostly all good for Ford, considering our new one is yet to come

[HSE2]

This is what we have been waiting for. What did they say about the chassis and NVH?

[superpursuit83]

Hang on I will go to the shed and get the mag. Home delivery is great