Deadly Street Race last night - 1 Dead, 8 Injured - P plater in EVO8 - Page 2

nugget378 · 02-11-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTR

Made by someone that drives a heavy vehicle for a living, so in fact a very well educated one.

Apart from that, do you mean to tell me that if someone cut you off catching you by surpise that you would drive into them, chances are you would try to avoid them so as not to damage your own vehicle or aide them in causing an accident.

that dont change the fact that you made an assumption with regards to this event,by the way I have held an unrestricted HR license for a few years now,and know exectly what you mean,but that dosent mean that happened here,Im inclined to take media reporting on these issues with more than a grain of salt.

superpursuit83 · 02-11-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTR

Watch it and see just what I'm talking about, as for the bumping them out of the way XRQTOR, I know that I for one would not want the death of another person on my hands if i could avoid it.

Mate 7 cranes with the lightest 11 tonne on drum brakes up to 50 tonne on 4 axles with drums. I know what your on about. Was thinking of putting a camera on a couple myself.

XRQTR · 02-11-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

that dont change the fact that you made an assumption with regards to this event,by the way I have held an unrestricted HR license for a few years now,and know exectly what you mean,but that dosent mean that happened here,Im inclined to take media reporting on these issues with more than a grain of salt.

Yes I did but as a driver yourself you should then know that any driver worth his salt would do anything to avoid a collision, so I think assumption justified :Reverend: lol

4.9 EF Futura · 02-11-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

Hammer em,and hammer em hard,but what ****es me off is events like these are being used as a pretext to change laws that affect others who do the right thing..

This is the way of the world, my friend. Find us an answer to this problem and we'll all be living the life o riely whilst the morons are held accountable.

Not holding my breath tho

Minority > Majority

merlin · 02-11-2006, 02:08 PM

Guys the WRX was racing another 2 vehicles at the time, the bus driver swerved to avoid crushing them - I dont know what sort of human being would just run over a car load of people instead of at least trying to avoid the collision.

max · 02-11-2006, 02:39 PM

There's nothing altogether new about this sort of thing.
Anybody seen "Ben Hur"?

outback_ute · 02-11-2006, 02:50 PM

Particularly if the bus was travelling in the opposite direction to the WRX

**Falcon Coupe** · 02-11-2006, 03:39 PM

Are power restrictions actually policed ? i know of many P platers in my town that drive very quick cars, i'm talking 250 rwkw plus.

FPV8U · 02-11-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Most likely hard work, i bought my MKII xr8 brand new when i turned 19. Some people don't realize that other's are willing to work hard and reap the reward's.

Thank you XRQTOR, im 18 and drive a BA XR8, i work my Butt off to have it, not to mention insure it, it's idiots like these that ruin it for everyone.

Im sick of defending these morons from my generation, but im not willing to cop the penaltys from them either.

XR8GRL · 02-11-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTR

Ye well there was no mention of hoons or hoon behavior when that Ferrari wrapped itself around a tree in Melb a while back, amazing that.

I noticed this myself, nothing but praise for how he became a millionaire.

T_Terror · 02-11-2006, 04:26 PM

So i suppose if the crash involved an EA Falcon instead of an EVO in a street race then it would just be another unfortunate accident? Or a Ferrari that was bought by a self-made hardworking labourer?

And whats so outrageous about a young guy driving an EVO? Theyre a brand new car, so its a lot easier to get a loan for that than for a used car even if they cost $40grand or whatever. Even if thats not alot of money these days, hard work gets you places and buys nice things...

So the guys a bad driver, or maybe something happened that wasnt related to the race, either way its sad. EVOs do come with AWD, stability control and active yaw control, its not like he wouldve just randomly looped it either.

"BLOODY HOONS!!!" <---- settle down grandpa..

nat_daly · 02-11-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTR

LMAO you obviously don't drive a heavy vehicle do you, unfortunately the heavy vehicle driver is almost always found at fault in the case of an incident regardless of the cause. I should set up a camera in the truck just to show you how stupid people are around trucks and the like, unfortunately 'we' have to watch out for you.

Although in saying this I have at times used the size to my advantage

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im not a truck driver, but i have seen plenty of rediculous things happen around trucks,heaps of people just cut trucks off, then jam the brakes on, like how dumb must you be, those trucks dont weight 900kg, its not gonna pull up like a scooter. you just feel like getting out and slapping the guy in the side of the head.

SNB05T · 02-11-2006, 05:01 PM

what is it with ricers and stupidity

: the corner that where the car crashed is tight off camber right hander, *****, i sturggle at 65km when i have to miss the many trucks that attempt the corner during peak hr. idiots.
me and the missus had a near death experience coming home from motor show last night, dropped the in laws off at maroubra coming back home, some ****er f%$king taxi driver driving around a corner on the wrong side of the road, tis a good thing my missus can drive her car properly otherwise i wouldn't be writing this because i'd be dead.
i don't think just l and p plate drivers need driver training i think EVERY driver needs it. some people should not have access to a licence let alone a car!
my rant :jab:

EBFalcs · 02-11-2006, 05:13 PM

it was probably a lancer mocked up to be a fooly sick EVO, and the media saps it for what it's worth, any way the reason the passenger always dies is because it's instinct to save your self so you usually turn the car so the passenger hits the object.

Scott · 02-11-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by merlin

a government bus came within centimetres of smashing into a Chatswood apartment after being forced off the Pacific Highway.

The bus had collided with a Subaru WRX before smashing through a brick wall.

The Subaru was allegedly racing two other vehicles.

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Originally Posted by XRQTR

The bus obviously tried to avoid him

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Originally Posted by nugget378

ASSUMPTION,just like alot of statements in this thread..

Seems like a pretty plausible assumption to me, how the hell else would it have happened?

I can't believe I just agreed with you XRQTR, maybe South Park will do an episode on this!

King Nothing · 02-11-2006, 05:33 PM

I did a driver training course a few months ago, and boy did it open my eyes. Driving an 89 corolla, it wasnt the best at pulling up vs new fords, commodores, lighter sports cars and the like. The first run on the pan was just floor it, and stop as quickly as you can. Then they showed us how to pull up properly, especially in non-abs cars. Cut my braking distance in half! I was all of a sudden within a metre or so of all the other cars. And that was only the first 1/2 hour of the course.

IMO driver training courses should be a compulsory part of getting your licence. Just a few hours at that course made me a far better driver. More importantly, it made me realise just how average a driver I was and how much more I have to learn. Once i get a bit more cash, ill be completing the next few stages.

Getting fined weeks after you have driven past a speed camera will not teach you how to drive better. Maybe slower, but definately not better.

Scott · 02-11-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by King Nothing

Just a few hours at that course made me a far better driver. More importantly, it made me realise just how average a driver I was and how much more I have to learn. Once i get a bit more cash, ill be completing the next few stages.

I'm not to sure how many people would be big enough to own up to that, well done!

FPV8U · 02-11-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by King Nothing

I did a driver training course a few months ago, and boy did it open my eyes. Driving an 89 corolla, it wasnt the best at pulling up vs new fords, commodores, lighter sports cars and the like. The first run on the pan was just floor it, and stop as quickly as you can. Then they showed us how to pull up properly, especially in non-abs cars. Cut my braking distance in half! I was all of a sudden within a metre or so of all the other cars. And that was only the first 1/2 hour of the course.

IMO driver training courses should be a compulsory part of getting your licence. Just a few hours at that course made me a far better driver. More importantly, it made me realise just how average a driver I was and how much more I have to learn. Once i get a bit more cash, ill be completing the next few stages.

Getting fined weeks after you have driven past a speed camera will not teach you how to drive better. Maybe slower, but definately not better.

Good on you mate, the courses look like fun not to mention how much people learn, i'll be doing a couple next year for sure.

King Nothing · 02-11-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GMH8TR

I'm not to sure how many people would be big enough to own up to that, well done!

Lol, its pretty easy since I havent met anyone here yet

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it was a pretty fun day. Also cool because there was a drift meet on and we got to watch them over lunch. As soon as my g/f gets her licence ill be sending her to one, and any kids ill have in the future

nat_daly · 02-11-2006, 07:05 PM

yeah those driver training courses are great, ive done one, and damn its helped me out of alot of sticky situations, which even my mates agree, that they would of crashed it sure is a smart option

poolkeeper · 02-11-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BAFalconXT

Notice when ever it is an older person who causes a fatality, nothing is mentioned about their age. Often these are much worse accidents and no one seems to care.

Spot on...

MITCHAY · 02-11-2006, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Most likely hard work, i bought my MKII xr8 brand new when i turned 19. Some people don't realize that other's are willing to work hard and reap the reward's.

Yep. That's what I did too. Now I'm cruising in a nice car that is all payed for.

If they mentioned all the morons doing idiotic things in older Commodores and Falcons, I bet it would far out weigh the high performance Jap cars.

My TX5 is a lot more dangerous than my WRX that's for sure!

Oh wells only 8 more days till I'm off my Ps.

Auslandau · 02-11-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BAFalconXT

Notice when ever it is an older person who causes a fatality, nothing is mentioned about their age. Often these are much worse accidents and no one seems to care.

Because 'usually' they do not put them selves in that position. No other way to put it but two ways for 'accidents' to occur.......INTENTIONAL stupidy or UNINTENTIONAL stupidity. Its the first that gets the attention.......as it should! No death in an accient is much worse than the other. There dead!

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Ives · 02-11-2006, 09:09 PM

We need to have a mass P-platers accident in one night for it to have a slight effect.

GXL078 · 02-11-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by XYSEDAN

that kid is a f'in idiot!
driving a car like that!
i'm curious as to how he got the car tho? surely he can't have 40+ grand stuck up his sleeve!

maybe he won it at the casino.

nobbystang · 02-11-2006, 09:16 PM

School must be nearly finished for the year!!! Seems like there is a few youngins around here that might not be on the roads long as well. Must be the coppers and ambos favourite time of year, seeing youth throwing their lives away for a bit of fun they think they can handle!

XD 351 Ute · 02-11-2006, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bencat

False sense of security and absolutly no sense of speed and distance is what happens in new cars, glad I didn't learn to drive in a wrx or I'd most likely be cat food by now too...

Very valid point. Throw in your average Playstation racing addict, and you pretty well paint the overall picture.......

Ed

EBFalcs · 02-11-2006, 10:47 PM

4 words "Fast and the Furious" + 5 words "**** that rice **** off" = a possible slight solution.

fiery · 02-11-2006, 10:54 PM

It is accidents like this that convince me that spending a few hundred dollars towards driver education and also a few hundred towards my eldest learning to drive with a professional company has to be the best money I could ever spend...

Accompany that with serious talks, showing news articles, being honest and open etc and then hopefully I won't have to bury my son due to stupidity whilst he is driving..

If every parent spent the money on the above things, then maybe they too won't have to contemplate the horrors of losing their kids to car accidents.. just a possibility anyway..

FPV GT · 03-11-2006, 06:01 AM

As much as I dislike jap crap, its the "scum" media that blows things out of proportion. The sensationalisation of a p plater driving a "recognised" hoon car that is involved in an accident it too good of a story to pass up. This was proven the other day when a p plater crashed the car and killed his female passenger.........nothing was mentioned in the papers that the car was traveling at close to 200 clicks, and was a bog standard toyota.

If any media folk take offence....... tough.

There are a lot more incidents that are due to street racing that involve "black license" drivers and non hoons mobiles that you would believe, however a bandwagon can not be created/followed with Mr. Average Joe, driving boring plain ole standard car.

Regards
Paul