Hundreds of Holden workers at Elizabeth plant in Adelaide accept voluntary redundanci - Page 2

Resurrection · 23-07-2013, 12:33 AM

Surprised to hear they are getting rif of people especially now they have started to build the first significantly new model in seven years. Normally demand for a new model is high and the factory should be very busy.

ILLaViTaR · 23-07-2013, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by zilo

What a sickening list of burden onto a business.

I couldn't afford to employ any of them.

Yep...make cars overseas...that list is bull ****.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to work for you

TheSneakiness · 23-07-2013, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

I sure as hell wouldn't want to work for you

Then you sure as hell can sit on the dole bludgers queue like every other "I want, I want" ********.

No wonder companies want to go offshore.

Insidious · 23-07-2013, 09:02 AM

And why shouldn't Holden workers get a silver handshake...pollies get golden one's and that's for life, and do bugger all

vztrt · 23-07-2013, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

Surprised to hear they are getting rif of people especially now they have started to build the first significantly new model in seven years. Normally demand for a new model is high and the factory should be very busy.

Same thing happened when FG was released. The large car market is dead.

GASWAGON · 23-07-2013, 01:49 PM

So how are they going to get VF's built if 400 workers are leaving this Friday?

vztrt · 23-07-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

So how are they going to get VF's built if 400 workers are leaving this Friday?

Its a down balance. So they will build less cars then previously.

fte50 · 23-07-2013, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by zilo

What a sickening list of burden onto a business.

I couldn't afford to employ any of them.

Yep...make cars overseas...that list is bull ****.

Maybe, just maybe your not as big as GM !

burnz · 23-07-2013, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

So how are they going to get VF's built if 400 workers are leaving this Friday?

if you need more workers use a labour hire company (manpower/drake...) and its their problem when these worker a no longer needed.

zilo · 23-07-2013, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fte50

Maybe, just maybe your not as big as GM !

If the entitlements needed to pay them out weren't as high then they would be employed for longer.

Basically the accountants run to the board and say that there isn't enough money to build cars cause the tipping point has been reached of capital only just matching what it would take to pay employees out.

So less breathing space for the employer in a fluctuating market.

Wouldn't the workers all kick them selves if the Aussie dollar dropped to 70 cents in a couple of years and the plant could have suddenly been viable again?

Bad luck though...cause that option disappears...FOREVER when you shut the plant.

EDIT: I calculate about 3 years severance pay plus for someone with 10 years service as redundancy.

GASWAGON · 23-07-2013, 06:49 PM

Wonder if the whole 400 of them got together and thought stuff you Holden WE want our money and WE want it now!

XP6 · 23-07-2013, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by zilo

What a sickening list of burden onto a business.

I couldn't afford to employ any of them.

Yep...make cars overseas...that list is bull ****.

Tell that to someone who's been working there since he/she was in their twenty's and is now in their 50's they'd have no trade qualifications(that are still relevant) other than assembly line work... they probably couldnt handle a physical job as thats about all they could get without spending several years skilling up... who wants to do that when your thinking about retirement!

jpd80 · 23-07-2013, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

So how are they going to get VF's built if 400 workers are leaving this Friday?

Holden is still building around 7,000 vehicles a month, I think there's plenty of opportunity to catch up
as well as build all the Export models and Cruzes for domestic sales...

fte50 · 23-07-2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by zilo

Wouldn't the workers all kick them selves if the Aussie dollar dropped to 70 cents in a couple of years and the plant could have suddenly been viable again?

Don't be delusional mate, this aint the little corner milkbar, its a global giant who's become so out of greed, so greedy infact that even if our dollar was worth 50cents it would still not add up to (or down to) 3rd world to satisfy its board .

GASWAGON · 23-07-2013, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

if you need more workers use a labour hire company (manpower/drake...) and its their problem when these worker a no longer needed.

So they're going to spend days/weeks training all these 'labourers' with NO experience in the industry are they?Assembling engines and transmissions etc etc....At what cost?

I wouldn't like to be the owner of one of these labourer built cars that's for sure!

**janddbone** · 24-07-2013, 01:59 AM

The large car market is not dead, but is different. Large SUVs still sell well and Camry Mondeo and Mazda 6 are all Falcon size anyhow.

vztrt · 24-07-2013, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by burnz

if you need more workers use a labour hire company (manpower/drake...) and its their problem when these worker a no longer needed.

Just watch the quality drop. Working O/T would be a smarter way with the numbers they got.

mik · 24-07-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

So they're going to spend days/weeks training all these 'labourers' with NO experience in the industry are they?Assembling engines and transmissions etc etc....At what cost?

I wouldn't like to be the owner of one of these labourer built cars that's for sure!

engines and autos would not be built in house anyway, coupling them together a 13 year old could do with minimal training.

mik · 24-07-2013, 11:26 AM

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GASWAGON · 24-07-2013, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mik

engines and autos would not be built in house anyway, coupling them together a 13 year old could do with minimal training.

Hmmmm....still not sure about 400 'labourers' building brand new cars?

Franco Cozzo · 24-07-2013, 12:21 PM

That would be the way its heading, everything outsourced to labour hire companies.

No entitlements to the workers, no percentage off cars and no union.

GASWAGON · 24-07-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

That would be the way its heading, everything outsourced to labour hire companies.

No entitlements to the workers, no percentage off cars and no union.

Sounds like America already?

LeadFoot81 · 24-07-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bigwil

A little bit off topic, but if Holden do close down in a few years I think they should also retire the Holden name and just call themselves GM.

There's far too much equity in the Holden label to just dump it (even in the near future). However I'm sure this is consistently reviewed, and once a certain tipping point is reached it will happen (but not for A long time IMHO)

fast gt · 24-07-2013, 04:44 PM

All Holden are going to do is build less cars... They are going from 400 cars a day to 335... But for the first week after everyone leaves they're going to start off at about 280 and make their way up to 335...

KIWI-1 · 24-07-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by XP6

Tell that to someone who's been working there since he/she was in their twenty's and is now in their 50's they'd have no trade qualifications(that are still relevant) other than assembly line work... they probably couldnt handle a physical job as thats about all they could get without spending several years skilling up... who wants to do that when your thinking about retirement!

A worker in this scenario would walk out with more $$$ in the bank now than if they were to work until retirement. Taking redundancy now would also more than double their superannuation and guarantee staff discounts for life.

Their financial situation would be secure however they would need to come to terms with the emotional impact of redundancy.

Vormund · 24-07-2013, 05:46 PM

Just out of curiosity, what would your average Holden line workers yearly income be? Anyone know?

GASWAGON · 24-07-2013, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KIWI-1

A worker in this scenario would walk out with more $$$ in the bank now than if they were to work until retirement. Taking redundancy now would also more than double their superannuation and guarantee staff discounts for life.

Their financial situation would be secure however they would need to come to terms with the emotional impact of redundancy.

I said this previously....Those 400 workers got together and talked and thought stuff you Holden were taking our money NOW and were leaving!

KIWI-1 · 24-07-2013, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vormund

Just out of curiosity, what would your average Holden line workers yearly income be? Anyone know?

The base wage being floated around this forum a couple of weeks ago was $55k.
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Non-trade $930-1093 per week + penalties
Trade $1049-$1415 per week + penalties
Apprentice $655-$1038 per week + penalties
Technical approx. $68k-$102k + qualifications + skill enhancement
Clerical $61k-$78k + qualifications + skill enhancement
e&oe

GASWAGON · 24-07-2013, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KIWI-1

The base wage being floated around this forum a couple of weeks ago was $55k.
edit
Non-trade $930-1093 per week + penalties
Trade $1049-$1415 per week + penalties
Apprentice $655-$1038 per week + penalties
Technical approx. $68k-$102k + qualifications + skill enhancement
Clerical $61k-$78k + qualifications + skill enhancement
e&oe

So they're mostly all on some pretty healthy wages then?

**Fordman1** · 24-07-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KIWI-1

A worker in this scenario would walk out with more $$$ in the bank now than if they were to work until retirement. Taking redundancy now would also more than double their superannuation and guarantee staff discounts for life.

Rubbish.

You re a troll for all involved in the local car manufacturing and support industries.

Do the maths or maybe post yours and show how your absurd comment is justified.

Come on .......