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supply and demand is a two-way street. just like when you're in demand your employer has to be prepared to pay you more, when you ARENT in demand but want to keep working, you have to be prepared to for a reduction in your pay/conditions. at least, thats the way its supposed to work, but unions are good at ensuring that never happens... http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a...money_with_it/ Quote:
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BOOM... Drops a big bomb......
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Take a pay cut OR lose your job.....I'd take a pay cut. Some people don't even get that chance.
There is a reason not much is made here anymore.
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If they are going to turn on themselves now is the time for the staff need to get smart and point out the fat in the organisation and show how they can be smart and trim the fat without affecting the productivity and quality. All industries face this, as we have ridden the bubble, it has burst and now a re-setting of value needs to occur, has happened before and will again. We all need to look deeply at our own industries to see the future, If we don't look we will never be prepared for the next wave 10 to 15 years hence, many of us will be older next time it happens and many of us wont make it through, If we make it this time. I don't think you want to be made redundant in your mid to late 50's JP |
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take a pay cut and start shooting off resumes, or put your hand up for a redundancy if its on the table.
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I would assume supplier contracts will also come under renegotiation?
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The pay cuts are just a temporary measure to keep the business afloat.
Labour is only 14% of the cost of auto manufacturing in Auatralia. It is the other costs that are the killer especially the strength of the AU dollar. I'm betting Holden have cash flow problems. I'm also betting that unless the AU dollar drops to 60 c US fast Holden will be making another Annoucement in 12 months. |
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Media is reporting Holden have asked workers to reduce costs, no confirmation yet if that includes a reduction in hourly rates. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. If the workers agree to a $5 an hour cut, that is around 18% reduction in pay. It will open the floodgates for all other industries to ask the same of their workers.
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I can't understand how they (inc the union) could think that digging their heels in will help... If the employer (in this case Holden) cant make the numbers stack up, they'll just pack up shop... everyone loses then.
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Our cars become more expensive to purchase for other countries.
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It restricts your market, when Holden were exporting to the middle east they were producing nearly double the cars they are now. It helps amortallize costs if you are running at full capacity. The irony is that when the dollar is low, we pay a lot more for the steel our cars are made out of.
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Sure understand the increase in cost to OS purchasers of our product but the High dollar is being blamed for input costs being too high, I don't see it JP |
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The Australian Auto industry was doomed when the free trade agreement was signed with Thailand. |
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In the end Fixed costs due to the low volume and inability to be competitive overseas with exports has caused the current situation, the AU dollar has a lot to do with that. |
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As ive stated in another thread, GMs agenda here is to try and reduce its costs by asking its workers for a cut/business revision etc. but ultimately collecting another handout from scared govts knowing a fall of two majors in a short time frame will have catastrophic social and economic effects. The second is the 'slow conditioning of the nation', before they too say bye bye -times are tough and Holden is struggling to remain viable etc. They are playing on Fords departure and using the timing/circumstances to their full advantage. "Not to say they arent somewhat legit, but also ready to milk the cash cow'.
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Year by year info is hard to find but in 2005, a record 60,000 units went overseas with the Caprice accounting for 64% of those exports............ WOW!!!!!!
http://www.holden.com.au/corporate/e...ehicle-exports
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So, Holden want to force workers on a pay cut or redundancy...
Will they cut down the salaries of their V8 supercar drivers, team investment, and other areas of multi million sporting sponsorship? I think there is some milking going on...just a month out from a federal election...
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Think about it, what is one thing that everyone needs apart from food and water? A place to live, be it renting or buying. Housing affordability in Australia is ridiculous, and I’ll bet it has been one of the main drivers in wage growth in Australia over the past 10 years – which coincidentally is also the same period in which house and rental prices have skyrocketed. The growth in utilities costs pale in comparison to median house prices and rentals. WA is by far the worst. Sure it’s probably not the only factor, but I reckon it is one of the main ones.
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If they are talking about this, it's only a matter of time. You can't keep makings cars at a loss, day in , day out.......
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