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30-05-2011, 01:00 PM | #31 | |||
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Life is like that....like I said I want to play in the NBL but it's not going to happen so should I scream discrimination, I also want to be brain surgeon, but I have parkinsons, so should I be able to do surgery on your brain....I would say no, so yes life is like that, not everyone can do everything, nor should they we all have to live within our own limitations. Get used to it, it's not discrimination it's called life |
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30-05-2011, 01:04 PM | #32 | |||
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A person must have full control of their vehicle at all times, and I would say a reasonable person would not consider driving with their knees as having control over their vehicle. Also try it in your next driving test and see how you go, I doubt you would pass |
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30-05-2011, 01:04 PM | #33 | |||
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She has one arm, she can not change gears and keep a hand on the steering wheel. Who has driven a car with their knees before? I have, and in doing so know for a fact I do not have full control of the vehicle, it isn't possible to take a 90 degree corner while maintaining consistent braking/throttle position while driving with your knees. You can keep it in a straight line, manage minor turns in the road, but you can not say you have full control of the vehicle. It is ridiculous that anyone would think otherwise, she would be safer more so in control of the vehicle if she was driving an auto, not rocket science, just plan common sense. |
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30-05-2011, 01:09 PM | #34 | |||
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My "one arm uses auto" stance has now changed to "one arm uses legs" stance. If you cant keep one hand on the wheel at all times then you shouldnt be driving.
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30-05-2011, 01:11 PM | #35 | |||
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30-05-2011, 01:19 PM | #36 | ||
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Maybe it isn't just the $500 test fee (which is a TOTAL GOV'T RORT), but if the lady isn't allowed to drive a manual. Perhaps, she might ALSO need to buy an AUTOMATIC car.
Apart, from the one-armed bit we really don't know much about her or finances. Most probably we shouldn't either. It is her business.
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30-05-2011, 01:21 PM | #37 | |||||
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This is the only information I could find regarding the issue at hand. Quote:
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http://www.austroads.com.au/cms/AFTD...Aug%202006.pdf Legally she can't have an unconditional licence, however, she can hold a conditional licence. All that is required is that which is above...a doctor tells you that you can or can't drive, the Department of Transport gives final decision on the matter...you may or may not have to have vehicle controls added...
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30-05-2011, 01:23 PM | #38 | |||
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And offer some assistance in swapping her car for an auto one.
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30-05-2011, 01:27 PM | #39 | ||
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Shes obviously capable.
You know it is possible to drive a manual with one arm. You dont change gears while turning, which depending on the speed etc you shouldnt anyway as you should be ready for whats coming ahead before you get there. Its doable, and if she thinks she can, and she has proven she can whats the problem? Its not the ideal situation but there are worse out there. If she thought she was going to die everytime she went out of the drive way I think she would have managed to get herself a suitable car by now.
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30-05-2011, 01:28 PM | #40 | |||
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This is before mobile phones or in car sound systems and the only radio stations available were ABC and two country music stations. It was very boring so I used to play games like "drive all the way without touching the brake" or "drive all the way without touching the steering wheel with my hands". I made it many many times and made it with one or two "faults" every single time I tried. Practice makes perfect and if this person has been using one arm for everything for all these years I suspect she is rather good at it. After all you can't do things that require two arms if you only have one can you? Just ask Jack Newton or Bethany Hamilton et al. |
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30-05-2011, 01:33 PM | #41 | ||
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And add to it she has been doing so since 2001...no mention of prangs or anything.
I know plenty of "able" people who cant drive for bat poo and no one says a word.
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30-05-2011, 01:42 PM | #42 | |||
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I will still say that she wont pass a test now and she would have had a sympathetic tester back in 1993 when she got her license. It`s only now she has been caught up with (yes, the license says she is legal) and must now comply.
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30-05-2011, 01:44 PM | #43 | |||
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I can't afford new tyres, I have been driving on bald tyres for 3 years with no accidents!! I just drive slower and leave a larger gap ahead of me, So I should be allowed to continue driving on bald tyres since I can't afford new tyres and have 'proven' I am a good driver due to having no accidents. Her saying she 'cant afford' to buy an automatic is hardly an excuse. Sure she may of had no accidents, but how many near misses has she had? We don't know. She may almost sideswipe someone weekly. She may of only had no accident thanks to the drivers she has almost hit have been able to suddenly swerve away from her and avoid an accident. We don't know. But I know it is not a good idea for a one armed person to drive manual. |
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30-05-2011, 01:47 PM | #44 | ||
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ZOMG ATTACK OF THE KILLER ONE ARMED LADY
If she was continuously creating trouble police, insurance etc would know about it. This is nothing more than a TT or ACA type article. I bet shes perfected handbrake turn parking aswell.
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30-05-2011, 01:54 PM | #45 | |||
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It is a ridiculous argument, if you think someone with one hand can operate a manual safely you are a fool, simple as that. |
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30-05-2011, 01:57 PM | #46 | |||
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I don't think your name calling is necessary...or warranted. I have an opinion that differs to yours, doesn't make it any less valid. My response was also the legal requirements behind it...if she's covered all those off...it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks for that matter...
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30-05-2011, 01:58 PM | #47 | ||
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IN an emergency typically you clutch in and slam brake...engine braking might take to long, granted if you are super quick it will help but emergency's tend to be random in nature.
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30-05-2011, 01:59 PM | #48 | |||
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But I change gears 3 times before I reach the end of my street. I cant say I open 3 drink bottles by the end of my street. |
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30-05-2011, 02:02 PM | #49 | |||
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Into first, then second then third. Corner coming up, T intersection, get there by maybe coming down to second or just come to stop and slip into first. (oh you indicated as normal before going into second). Go around corner and cycle through gears. Which part of that did you need two hands for?
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30-05-2011, 02:12 PM | #50 | |||
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YES! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, my opinion is it is foolish to think a one armed person is capable of safe operation of a manual vehicle on a daily basis. As I said before, no one can say they are in full control of their vehicle while driving with their knees, maybe my example wasn't spelt out clearly enough before. If she is driving along, goes to change gears so takes the wheel with her knees and out of no where a kid jumps out in front of her. You can't swerve to avoid something like this with your knees. |
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30-05-2011, 02:18 PM | #51 | |||
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Your NBL / Brain Surgeon arguments are flawed - Using your example - you must not have the necessary skills to play NBL nor have you completed the studies to become a brain surgeon. The 'one armed lady' already has a drivers license... and there is no law saying you must have 2 arms to drive... (if there is - please post the reference - as flappist has already requested) It is fair to expect that she needs to pass a medical test (VicRoads call it a Medical review) - as she is changing states, and each state has a slightly different set of rules. If she can't pass their test using their criteria (whether she has 2 arms, 1 arm, or no arms) then restrictions should be made... If she can pass the test using their criteria (whether she has 2 arms, 1 arm or no arms) then she should be able to carry on driving the way she has previously.... I don't necessary agree with the whole thing - but if there are no laws or regulations being breached or broken - I can't see how anyone can kick up a fuss?
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30-05-2011, 02:24 PM | #52 | ||
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This has been an eye opener of a thread for far our-comments! I know a fella who can drive - he lacks BOTH arms! But he has a modified vehicle. Amazing!!!! (note the sarcasm) If I were to follow the arguments here he would be forever committed to the buses.
It seems there are a few members here that only drive with half a brain. But they are still allowed to drive (and post on here) Amazing !!!! Flappist has it right when he mentions the rule about two hands - no-one has proven him wrong. And if she has managed to drive for all of these years (including with a trailer) without causing problems, why are we on her case now? And $500 to sit some special test - no way. What a huge rip-off.
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30-05-2011, 02:55 PM | #53 | ||
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Good luck to her i say.
Unfortunately though i think she may be looking for an automatic soon as i doubt she'll get the nod, hell, i cant even get a MR truck license as i've been tested and proven to be slightly color blind. God knows why being color blind is frowned upon... |
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30-05-2011, 03:33 PM | #54 | |||
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The topic is someone who could quite easily (but not safely in the spirit of safe driving - two hands remember) drive an automatic and not have to take the ONLY hand on the steering wheel off it.
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30-05-2011, 03:37 PM | #55 | |||
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If she has been doing it for the past 10 years and hasnt threatened lives etc then whats the problem? Shes as dangerous as any eldery cit or P plater and anyone else in between.
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30-05-2011, 03:54 PM | #56 | ||||
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Using your examples it`s ok for an epileptic to drive? No, they have to be tested for frequency and then assessed. This is the same situation where she needs to be tested. I`m thinking she knows she wont pass the test so she has tried to stir up some sympathy Quote:
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30-05-2011, 04:01 PM | #57 | ||
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All the arguments seem to be about her rights ,as far as I'm concerned her rights have nothing to do with it, Her capabilites are under scutiny here and just because she has been lucky not to had an accident her fault or not does not come into it, I live just down the road from her and would not like to be on the same piece road at anytime.Just as a side note where we live there are countless one lane roads that have to be negotiated by leaving the road on to our famous WA gravel!! .
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30-05-2011, 04:16 PM | #58 | ||
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I agree it seems odd, but she has proven previously that she can do it, so if she passes a test then whats the problem?
Its in the paper because its an emotive nothing story to get people talking. Whats funny is if she had the $500, passed the test then it wouldnt be news would it. The test is there to do its job, its the systems decision not ours. Lighten up guys, im sure she has some ethics about her and if she thought she was endangering others or herself then she wouldnt bother. Granted some people cant let go but if you are able to do it then whatever. Live and let live..
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30-05-2011, 04:35 PM | #59 | ||
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I wonder if she contacted the WA Roads Dept before she moved there and asked what she would need to do to get her licence there. She could drive in QLD for the next 50 years no problem. Of course if she needed a rego inspection on her car and it needed some requirement that it didn't need in QLD would we be hearing about it in the news. QLD seem to have the slackest rego and licence laws of any state.
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30-05-2011, 04:45 PM | #60 | ||
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I know a woman who is about 3' tall with NO arms and drives all over the place in an auto falcon wagon
She seems to do ok why should anyone have to pay an extra $500 because of a disability
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